(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[cabbageandribs1875]

does she really want to talk to her husband like he's a bloody child

Benny Johnson on X: "Jill Biden just gave the most cringe intro for Joe Biden after the debate: “Joe you did such a great job .. What did Trump do? LIE..” �� https://t.co/7Zhw6dMGBG" / X


then the vid below of him leaving the stage :(

[grunt]

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No chance. Trump is only a criminal in the eyes of Democrats. He still has total support of every Republican and possibly most fence sitters. Biden is a liability and I think Trump will win convincingly.

And the eyes of the law. But that no longer seems to matter to half of the US.

[Colr]

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Look at this answer awful

https://x.com/GeraldoRivera/status/1806533440130691159

A few Dem representatives openly saying he has to go now, they shouldn't have been in this situation. Not much time for a new candidate to build momentum but I think we will see movement this week

Trump is due to be installed in July. If the Democrats go for a change, they have until August. A younger candidate who can harness positivity, get the ethnic votes and the votes of women who object to having their abortion rights removed (Trump boasts this is his doing), should have a very strong chance at winning.

[Stairway 2 7]

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And the eyes of the law. But that no longer seems to matter to half of the US.

It never has, america is so split in two. They bring it on themselves by filling the courts with partizan choices. Both sides think everything is politically motivated, both sides trying to impeach the other. Then when the impeachments come they get thrown out the senate by the side in power. Clinton's ratings rose through his impeachment as his side thought it was a witch hunt too.

The problem for the dems is the damage is done they can't keep going down that road or just keep saying he's lying. I know that sounds ludicrous to us but it's a presidential race not a party so you just have to beat the other man.

It's widely thought the reason they lost to George W Bush is the kept saying he's stupid on repeat the whole campaign. Voter's post election said that might be but he seems honest, patriotic and a decent guy whilst gore is wooden. They should have changed track and hit him on they things but just stuck on stupid that didn't work. Yes it was close but it shouldn't have been a loss

[Colr]

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What may save the Democrats is that in reality a President is a figure head and is not all powerful.

Would-be-dictator Trump has plans on that score.

The US checks and balances should have effect but these rules didn’t anticipate a sex offender and convicted felon running for president, did they? So they’re not infallible.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Trump is due to be installed in July. If the Democrats go for a change, they have until August. A younger candidate who can harness positivity, get the ethnic votes and the votes of women who object to having their abortion rights removed (Trump boasts this is his doing), should have a very strong chance at winning.

Newsome is favourite to take if Biden walks which he won't. Newsome when polled against trump loses badly. He's had no time to campaign and seems like a desperate measure if he comes in. Biden should have announced at the beginning of the year it was 1 term, let there be a contest with a strong winner. This should have been an easy win especially with the abortion issue swaying women and those in cities

[Colr]

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Newsome is favourite to take if Biden walks which he won't. Newsome when polled against trump loses badly. He's had no time to campaign and seems like a desperate measure if he comes in. Biden should have announced at the beginning of the year it was 1 term, let there be a contest with a strong winner. This should have been an easy win especially with the abortion issue swaying women and those in cities

I honestly expected Biden to be one term and even to quit during his presidency to allow Kamala in with time to bed her presidency. But he didn’t and Kamala has been a major disappointment who has really failed to carve out a role for herself.

That leaves us where we are. It’s a total failure of the system that these two dotards are facing off. Biden’s a great politician but he really should be relaxing in the role of elder statesman. It’s a massive failure of process that the succession for both Obama and also, I suppose, Bush was not well managed.

[BroxburnHibee]

SC rules Trump has absolute immunity for 'official acts'

No immunity for unofficial acts though.

Court split 6-3 on their ideological lines so Trumps appointees saw him through.

I'm guessing he'll claim everything he has done was official now.....

[Keith_M]

The US is a corrupt, failed democracy.

What other conclusion can you possibly come to when the Supreme Court votes totally along party lines?

Three of these people were even appointed by Trump himself.

[cabbageandribs1875]

[Colr]

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SC rules Trump has absolute immunity for 'official acts'

No immunity for unofficial acts though.

Court split 6-3 on their ideological lines so Trumps appointees saw him through.

I'm guessing he'll claim everything he has done was official now.....

The president is now an emperor.

[Stairway 2 7]

So was watergate now legal?

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm happy with a suggestion of a drone strike on Trump "Supreme Court" - Search / X (twitter.com) stephen king is bang on

[Colr]

Does this mean Biden doesn’t have to accept any defeat in the election and can summon a mob to take over the capitol.

Rightyo!

[Colr]

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i'm happy with a suggestion of a drone strike on Trump "Supreme Court" - Search / X (twitter.com) stephen king is bang on

4th of July on Thursday. I wonder if they realise they are now back where they started.

Better stock up on tea!

[Stevie Reid]

Won the Cold War and then sold their democracy to Vladimir Putin.

[s.a.m]

I remember reading, after the Roe v Wade ruling, a commentator saying that the religious right in the Supreme Court and the Republican Party had got "too much" of what they wanted and that in the long run it was liable to get them the opposite of what they wanted. And while there might not have been mass protests, it's had an effect on on the various elections at state level held since, and I think, been defeated on every state referendum that's put abortion rights on the ballot.

This decision affects everybody, and you can only hope that it mobilises the non-maga majority to get informed and to get off their backsides and vote like their democracy depends on it.

Having said that, I'm in DC and at the weekend I was at an event in Baltimore (a DC commuter city) and asked a woman I know a question about the collapsed bridge:
- Is that metal work over there part of the bridge that collapsed?
- A bridge collapsed? In Baltimore? Wow... when did that happen?
- A few months ago...
- Oh my god! Was everyone ok???

So. We'll see.

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This SCOTUS ruling is shocking. We're in a very scary place right now.

[Stevie Reid]

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I remember reading, after the Roe v Wade ruling, a commentator saying that the religious right in the Supreme Court and the Republican Party had got "too much" of what they wanted and that in the long run it was liable to get them the opposite of what they wanted. And while there might not have been mass protests, it's had an effect on on the various elections at state level held since, and I think, been defeated on every state referendum that's put abortion rights on the ballot.

This decision affects everybody, and you can only hope that it mobilises the non-maga majority to get informed and to get off their backsides and vote like their democracy depends on it.

Having said that, I'm in DC and at the weekend I was at an event in Baltimore (a DC commuter city) and asked a woman I know a question about the collapsed bridge:
- Is that metal work over there part of the bridge that collapsed?
- A bridge collapsed? In Baltimore? Wow... when did that happen?
- A few months ago...
- Oh my god! Was everyone ok???

So. We'll see.

The Washington Post relayed some polling data the other week. From memory the headlines were that more people canvassed thought that Biden was more "extreme" than Trump.

When the polling dug down into whether people thought individual policies were extreme (not attached to either candidate), the ones that Trump has been stating he'll enact for months were considered extreme by a large majority of people.

The upshot is that folk are just not really paying attention. Trump is openly stating that he's going to oversee a dictatorship, and the American people are largely sleepwalking into it.

[Ozyhibby]

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The Washington Post relayed some polling data the other week. From memory the headlines were that more people canvassed thought that Biden was "extreme" than Trump.

When the polling dug down into whether people thought individual policies were extreme (not attached to either candidate), the ones that Trump has been stating he'll enact for months were considered extreme by a large majority of people.

The upshot is that folk are just not really paying attention. Trump is openly stating that he's going to oversee a dictatorship, and the American people are largely sleepwalking into it.

Americans don’t really properly start paying attention till the autumn. Once they do I expect they will reject Trump.


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[BroxburnHibee]

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Americans don’t really properly start paying attention till the autumn. Once they do I expect they will reject Trump.


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Did you see the debate? No way Biden wins now after that

[Ozyhibby]

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Did you see the debate? No way Biden wins now after that

The debate hasn’t moved the polls since. Biden’s base will vote for him even if he’s dead. The floating voters have not even taken an interest yet.
And debates don’t tend to move votes much anyway.
Dems should still change but if they don’t I still think Biden wins.

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[s.a.m]

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The Washington Post relayed some polling data the other week. From memory the headlines were that more people canvassed thought that Biden was more "extreme" than Trump.

When the polling dug down into whether people thought individual policies were extreme (not attached to either candidate), the ones that Trump has been stating he'll enact for months were considered extreme by a large majority of people.

The upshot is that folk are just not really paying attention. Trump is openly stating that he's going to oversee a dictatorship, and the American people are largely sleepwalking into it.

A few months back, the Democrats did a poll of 'gettable' voters in some of the swing states. They excluded people from the sample who had voted for Trump or were likely to, and tried to find out what they knew about some of his more extreme statements. And basically, most of them hadn't heard or read any of it.

It's known that one of the most important factors in voters' choice is where they get their news and information, with Trump voters likely to be getting their info /disinfo from social media or the more extreme cable outlets, where the extreme right and conspiracy theories have a strong foothold, rather than newspaper journalism or news programmes. In the more fragmented media landscape we have now, it's going to be really important for the Democrats (and the non-right in the UK and elsewhere) to learn how to use it and to take information to where people are at now.

[s.a.m]

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The debate hasn’t moved the polls since. Biden’s base will vote for him even if he’s dead. The floating voters have not even taken an interest yet.
And debates don’t tend to move votes much anyway.
Dems should still change but if they don’t I still think Biden wins.

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Maybe not beyond the bonds of possibility. Dead people have been elected in the US - not as President, so far, but it's happened a number of times for other roles.

[J-C]

Just had 2 Trump fans in the taxi going back to their boat at Sth Queensferry, they think it's Biden and the Democrats that are corrupt and not Trump etc, couldn't make it up the love they have for this orange eejit.

[Stevie Reid]

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Just had 2 Trump fans in the taxi going back to their boat at Sth Queensferry, they think it's Biden and the Democrats that are corrupt and not Trump etc, couldn't make it up the love they have for this orange eejit.

It truly is staggering how effectively the GOP and their acolytes in the media have changed the narrative, through lies and baseless investigations. It's worked right across the board.

I saw some talking heads of the Trump persuasion a few months back being asked about US support for Ukraine - these people didn't come across as the typical empty-headed cranks that get ridiculed on the likes of the Daily Show on a regular basis. Regardless, their argument was that Putin had every right to kill Ukrainians as he was just taking back what was "his" anyway. Another said Putin was saving the Ukrainian people from the corrupt Zelenskyy and the "elites" that had taken over Ukraine.

Language has truly lost all meaning with them.

[J-C]

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It truly is staggering how effectively the GOP and their acolytes in the media have changed the narrative, through lies and baseless investigations. It's worked right across the board.

I saw some talking heads of the Trump persuasion a few months back being asked about US support for Ukraine - these people didn't come across as the typical empty-headed cranks that get ridiculed on the likes of the Daily Show on a regular basis. Regardless, their argument was that Putin had every right to kill Ukrainians as he was just taking back what was "his" anyway. Another said Putin was saving the Ukrainian people from the corrupt Zelenskyy and the "elites" that had taken over Ukraine.

Language has truly lost all meaning with them.

Should've seen their faces when I suggested giving Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona etc back to Mexico instead of building a wall.

[Stevie Reid]

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Should've seen their faces when I suggested giving Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona etc back to Mexico instead of building a wall.

[Paul1642]

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Just had 2 Trump fans in the taxi going back to their boat at Sth Queensferry, they think it's Biden and the Democrats that are corrupt and not Trump etc, couldn't make it up the love they have for this orange eejit.

Personally feel they are 50% correct. Both sides are corrupt over there, although i fear our main 2 parties are only marginally better.

[JimBHibees]

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Personally feel they are 50% correct. Both sides are corrupt over there, although i fear our main 2 parties are only marginally better.

There is no equivalence between Trump and Biden though