Congestion charges and low emission zones

[Moulin Yarns]

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600 people from a survey conducted by an Asthma charity is hardly a majority of Scottish people, sounds like one of Edinburgh councils consultation schemes!

Survey commissioned by athsma charity but conducted by market research company.

[Mon Dieu4]

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Does this mean that pedestrians are going to have a much longer wait to cross(this was one of the main reasons given for the current sequence)?

The current sequence was based on total lies, I remember reading the study they did at the time and they claimed that in an hour long spell only about 8 cars had turned from Leith Walk into London Road, I mentioned at the time it was total bull**** and now they have had to backtrack as 900 cars have done it in a week when it's banned

[J-C]

Funnily enough the most congested street in Edinburgh with the highest emissions is Costorphine Rd/St John Rd, there will be zero enforcements or changes to make that area better, why?

[Just Alf]

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Funnily enough the most congested street in Edinburgh with the highest emissions is Costorphine Rd/St John Rd, there will be zero enforcements or changes to make that area better, why?

It makes you wonder why the tram didn't come in that way.

[Ozyhibby]

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Funnily enough the most congested street in Edinburgh with the highest emissions is Costorphine Rd/St John Rd, there will be zero enforcements or changes to make that area better, why?

No changes in Corstorphine?


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[J-C]

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It makes you wonder why the tram didn't come in that way.

The main road heading west from the city and each rush hour you'll see nose to tale traffic in both directions, same can also be said about Stockbridge almost all day from 8am onwards. The new zone is so small it'll make absolutely no difference to emissions in the town, it's simply the councils way to annoy drivers to get them off the road to push through their Tram/Cycle vanity project. We have Park and rides all around Edinburgh that are hardly used, city centre parking and city centre multi storey carparks literally inviting drivers into Edinburgh city centre, and then the council complain about congestion, they create it and then moan about it.

Edinburgh is a **** show nowadays, most people hate coming here due to the hassle of it, add in the overly expensive hotels/airbnb's too, the city has been gradually ruined over the past 10-15 years.

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The main road heading west from the city and each rush hour you'll see nose to tale traffic in both directions, same can also be said about Stockbridge almost all day from 8am onwards. The new zone is so small it'll make absolutely no difference to emissions in the town, it's simply the councils way to annoy drivers to get them off the road to push through their Tram/Cycle vanity project. We have Park and rides all around Edinburgh that are hardly used, city centre parking and city centre multi storey carparks literally inviting drivers into Edinburgh city centre, and then the council complain about congestion, they create it and then moan about it.

Edinburgh is a **** show nowadays, most people hate coming here due to the hassle of it, add in the overly expensive hotels/airbnb's too, the city has been gradually ruined over the past 10-15 years.

You say nobody comes but also how busy it is and how over priced it is?
Edinburgh is bursting at the seems with both tourists and citizens. It needs more housing and more hotels. It also needs a lot less cars. Our roads can’t cope with the amount we have now. The more we force people onto public transport or active travel the better.


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You say nobody comes but also how busy it is and how over priced it is?
Edinburgh is bursting at the seems with both tourists and citizens. It needs more housing and more hotels. It also needs a lot less cars. Our roads can’t cope with the amount we have now. The more we force people onto public transport or active travel the better.


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We need more Bus Gates.

More plant pots blocking off roads as well.

Btw.

Does anyone know a practical route from Queen Charlotte Street to Dundas Street nowadays? I am currently driving round and round in circles in an alternate reality.

[J-C]

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You say nobody comes but also how busy it is and how over priced it is?
Edinburgh is bursting at the seems with both tourists and citizens. It needs more housing and more hotels. It also needs a lot less cars. Our roads can’t cope with the amount we have now. The more we force people onto public transport or active travel the better.


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Currently sitting in big queue of traffic in the Pleasance while there's 4 way lights at the junction of Holyrood Rd as 2 guys sit in there works van on their phones doing sod all.

Then we have the massive amount of private tour buses crawling around doing their private tours, to add to the big red and orange tours creeping around.

I speak to tourists all the time in my job, they love Edinburgh but hate the traffic and the costs for a holiday here.

[Ozyhibby]

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Currently sitting in big queue of traffic in the Pleasance while there's 4 way lights at the junction of Holyrood Rd as 2 guys sit in there works van on their phones doing sod all.

Then we have the massive amount of private tour buses crawling around doing their private tours, to add to the big red and orange tours creeping around.

I speak to tourists all the time in my job, they love Edinburgh but hate the traffic and the costs for a holiday here.

Yip, it’s time to get rid of the traffic and build more accommodation.


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[J-C]

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Yip, it’s time to get rid of the traffic and build more accommodation.


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There has to be a balance, trams and bikes at all cost isn't the answer,get all these wee women in massive 4x4 SUV's taking their 1 kid to the Academy off the streets, most live in the New Town.

Edinburgh has become hugely popular with tourists in the last 15 years or so, great for trade and businesses but we have a council he'll bent on closing roads for no reason and sticking planters on streets just to seemingly annoy the locals. Perfect example is the Shore area and Coburg St, no right turn at the foot of Constitution St so you then go straight ahead, do a u turn and then left turn into Baltic St, genius.

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There has to be a balance, trams and bikes at all cost isn't the answer,get all these wee women in massive 4x4 SUV's taking their 1 kid to the Academy off the streets, most live in the New Town.

Edinburgh has become hugely popular with tourists in the last 15 years or so, great for trade and businesses but we have a council he'll bent on closing roads for no reason and sticking planters on streets just to seemingly annoy the locals. Perfect example is the Shore area and Coburg St, no right turn at the foot of Constitution St so you then go straight ahead, do a u turn and then left turn into Baltic St, genius.

I suppose the council are doing what they can with the powers they have. They should go full congestion charge though.


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[J-C]

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I suppose the council are doing what they can with the powers they have. They should go full congestion charge though.


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The LEZ is tiny, all its doing is pushing all the traffic onto other streets, just wait for the next stage of the trams going up Nth Br.towards RIE, all traffic forced up and down Lothian Road, oh joy.

[Ozyhibby]

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The LEZ is tiny, all its doing is pushing all the traffic onto other streets, just wait for the next stage of the trams going up Nth Br.towards RIE, all traffic forced up and down Lothian Road, oh joy.

Almost make you want to get the bus.


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[J-C]

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Almost make you want to get the bus.


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Thing is there's plenty buses all over the city, always have been but now they're competing with trams abs cycle lanes in small narrow Edinburgh streets.

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There has to be a balance, trams and bikes at all cost isn't the answer,get all these wee women in massive 4x4 SUV's taking their 1 kid to the Academy off the streets, most live in the New Town.

Edinburgh has become hugely popular with tourists in the last 15 years or so, great for trade and businesses but we have a council he'll bent on closing roads for no reason and sticking planters on streets just to seemingly annoy the locals. Perfect example is the Shore area and Coburg St, no right turn at the foot of Constitution St so you then go straight ahead, do a u turn and then left turn into Baltic St, genius.

Definitely women's fault.

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Almost make you want to get the bus.


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I don’t believe the constant bullying of drivers and council made congestion will push many more onto the bus.

Councillors always go on about what a great bus service there is in Edinburgh and it may be great if you’re travelling a mile in the city but buses are not the answer for people further out of town.

I tried the bus for a while when I lived in Musselburgh, 7 miles could take 1.5hrs, there’s far too many stops. It’s just a horrible way to travel and nothing will persuade me to return to them regularly. I prefer to stay out of Edinburgh completely now and give my business to other more welcoming places.

[J-C]

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Definitely women's fault.

Wasn't meant to come across that way, I just see so much of it in my job, huge massive SUV's with wee women driving a car that's far too big for them to park and get through traffic and mostly living in the new town, go along Cumberland St, Northumberland St, Gt King St and you'll see every 2nd car is a big 4x4 of some sort parked up taking up half the width of the wee street, Chelsea tractors I think they were called.

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Wasn't meant to come across that way, I just see so much of it in my job, huge massive SUV's with wee women driving a car that's far too big for them to park and get through traffic and mostly living in the new town, go along Cumberland St, Northumberland St, Gt King St and you'll see every 2nd car is a big 4x4 of some sort parked up taking up half the width of the wee street, Chelsea tractors I think they were called.

Do you keep a tally of their size and gender? Presumably it’s only women who can’t park them, and that you’re able to tell where they live just by looking at the them or their car?


The valid point you’re making is being drowned out by your prejudice, you say your original comment wasn’t meant to come across that way, then doubled down on it in the same sentence.


Also, many SUVs aren’t 4x4, they’re not the same thing.

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Do you keep a tally of their size and gender? Presumably it’s only women who can’t park them, and that you’re able to tell where they live just by looking at the them or their car?


The valid point you’re making is being drowned out by your prejudice, you say your original comment wasn’t meant to come across that way, then doubled down on it in the same sentence.


Also, many SUVs aren’t 4x4, they’re not the same thing.

Those cars need taxed out of the cities. It’s no just the pollution but also the increased congestion due to their size and the damage they do to the roads costs us all more than they are worth.


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[Jack]

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Those cars need taxed out of the cities. It’s no just the pollution but also the increased congestion due to their size and the damage they do to the roads costs us all more than they are worth.


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I used to own a huge 7 series BMW and there were regular debates about the alleged damage caused by bigger cars on the forums I was on then.

The counter argument to yours is that the larger cars have almost always had the best tech and that included to minimise pollution. Indeed there was the oft quoted Lamborgini that actually produced cleaner exhaust than the air it took in in larger cities like London, pre ULEZ.

Because these cars have huge tyres the weight is distributed as evenly on the road as smaller cars with narrower tyres, some claimed fancy suspension on the bigger cars made them better.

Just because a car is bigger it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad for the environment. Just as no-one could ever suggest the tiny Trabant was environmentally friendly!

That was some years ago, I've gone car free.

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I used to own a huge 7 series BMW and there were regular debates about the alleged damage caused by bigger cars on the forums I was on then.

The counter argument to yours is that the larger cars have almost always had the best tech and that included to minimise pollution. Indeed there was the oft quoted Lamborgini that actually produced cleaner exhaust than the air it took in in larger cities like London, pre ULEZ.

Because these cars have huge tyres the weight is distributed as evenly on the road as smaller cars with narrower tyres, some claimed fancy suspension on the bigger cars made them better.

Just because a car is bigger it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad for the environment. Just as no-one could ever suggest the tiny Trabant was environmentally friendly!

That was some years ago, I've gone car free.

I have never seen any report saying heavier vehicles damage roads less than lighter ones? They also take up huge amounts of parking space and cause longer traffic congestion.


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Those cars need taxed out of the cities. It’s no just the pollution but also the increased congestion due to their size and the damage they do to the roads costs us all more than they are worth.


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None of which has anything to do with points I made though.


I don’t disagree with things needing to change, there does need to be a balance struck, for example, a large family will likely need a larger car.


I'm honestly not sure what the best solution is, I don’t think we’ve found it yet, but I am in favour of change.

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I have never seen any report saying heavier vehicles damage roads less than lighter ones? They also take up huge amounts of parking space and cause longer traffic congestion.


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No disagreement here. What does need to be called out is that the average size of cars has increased over the last couple of decades, a Corsa now is as big as an Astra was not that long ago, whilst the roads haven’t got any bigger (smaller in some cases with extended pavements, cycle lanes etc), and I think it’s also a fair comment to say that the authorities don’t repair roads as well/use the same quality of road elements as previously

[Stairway 2 7]

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I have never seen any report saying heavier vehicles damage roads less than lighter ones? They also take up huge amounts of parking space and cause longer traffic congestion.


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Usually use more petrol which is obviously the main thing for net zero. Driving takes up such a large part of our co2 make up that we simply have to reduce our miles driven. People say they want net zero but at the same time don't want to sit on a bus when car is quicker or walk or cycle 20 minutes.

Obviously cars will be needed for some journeys but we can all drive less. Its not popular for politicians but the public aren't doing it voluntarily in fact we're driving more each year, so politicians have to take the unpopular decision and close roads and make driving in the city a nightmare. Symbolism and words won't get net zero cutting driving will

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Those cars need taxed out of the cities. It’s no just the pollution but also the increased congestion due to their size and the damage they do to the roads costs us all more than they are worth.

All very well suggesting that people stop driving Chelsea tractors in the town, and suggesting they use smaller cars, bicycles, their feet, public transport, etc, but you've not provided any suggestion at all how to deal with the main driver of their use, namely, how to display excess wealth outside your own postcode.

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All very well suggesting that people stop driving Chelsea tractors in the town, and suggesting they use smaller cars, bicycles, their feet, public transport, etc, but you've not provided any suggestion at all how to deal with the main driver of their use, namely, how to display excess wealth outside your own postcode.

A VW Golf with gold rims.


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Do you keep a tally of their size and gender? Presumably it’s only women who can’t park them, and that you’re able to tell where they live just by looking at the them or their car?


The valid point you’re making is being drowned out by your prejudice, you say your original comment wasn’t meant to come across that way, then doubled down on it in the same sentence.


Also, many SUVs aren’t 4x4, they’re not the same thing.

I drive a taxi and see these vehicles every day in the New Town of Edinburgh, try driving along some of these narrow streets taken up by huge petrol guzzling 3ltr SUV's, not just the New Town BTW but all over the centre of town, as has been said the size of cars has increased and with small narrow streets that we have, these vehicles are unsuitable for city centre travel, purely a status symbol nowadays.

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I drive a taxi and see these vehicles every day in the New Town of Edinburgh, try driving along some of these narrow streets taken up by huge petrol guzzling 3ltr SUV's, not just the New Town BTW but all over the centre of town, as has been said the size of cars has increased and with small narrow streets that we have, these vehicles are unsuitable for city centre travel, purely a status symbol nowadays.

Worse is the 4x4 all terrain monsters that haven't seen mud in their lives. The amount of people that take their kids to school by car is shocking, not all will have no choice, same with football training ect at weekends

[Itsnoteasy]

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Wasn't meant to come across that way, I just see so much of it in my job, huge massive SUV's with wee women driving a car that's far too big for them to park and get through traffic and mostly living in the new town, go along Cumberland St, Northumberland St, Gt King St and you'll see every 2nd car is a big 4x4 of some sort parked up taking up half the width of the wee street, Chelsea tractors I think they were called.

It can't be women driving in all the above streets mentioned as 9.5/10 chances are the car needs reversed into a space 😉