SNP are lying b******s as well !

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A welcome change in direction from Swinney. Making it clear early on that all talk of gender reform is off the table. I doubt it will be back until people are willing to be more grown up about it and that could be a very long time.


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I agree …grown up conversation ..not children

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Good advert!

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Good advert!

Who on earth is that ad aimed at? Tory voters who were thinking of switching to SNP but won't, now that they know what the SNP stands for?

[marinello59]

Whoops, I thought that was an SNP produced ad. Geez… all our major parties have lost the plot right now.

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Who on earth is that ad aimed at? Tory voters who were thinking of switching to SNP but won't, now that they know what the SNP stands for?

Tory voters aren't switching same as half of snp voters. As the polls have showed the voters that were previously going to vote SNP are all saying they are going to vote for Starmer’s Labour and its a huge number. I think most were lost on the direction SNP were going.

In all the polls yes voters is a much bigger figure than SNP voters. This shows the yes voters who are indicating they will vote Labour that the SNP are changing path, very clever imo

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As I said in my post on another thread, it will be back once society has come to a consensus. Politicians don't decide these things, society does. All politicians do is pass legislation once there is no political downside to doing so.

I disagree there is no comparison to the gay rights battle. Trans have all the same rights that were won in hard fought battles, marriage, adoption, prosecution against those who offend you. The difference is although society is happy to give trans every right they want they say that must not come at the price of hard fought female rights, its a no sum game.

We'd love trans women to be able to go to any area they want unfortunately that would mean women have to share prisons, rape centres ect with biological males. Unfortunately whilst males commit almost all sexual crimes then tough we must have access to female spaces. It pretty much took down Sturgeon I'm sure there focus groups will be telling them don't be so ridiculous again. The passage of time won't change biology I'm afraid

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I disagree there is no comparison to the gay rights battle. Trans have all the same rights that were won in hard fought battles, marriage, adoption, prosecution against those who offend you. The difference is although society is happy to give trans every right they want they say that must not come at the price of hard fought female rights, its a no sum game.

We'd love trans women to be able to go to any area they want unfortunately that would mean women have to share prisons, rape centres ect with biological males. Unfortunately whilst males commit almost all sexual crimes then tough we must have access to female spaces. It pretty much took down Sturgeon I'm sure there focus groups will be telling them don't be so ridiculous again. The passage of time won't change biology I'm afraid

.... to be revisited in a generation's time.

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In all the polls yes voters is a much bigger figure than SNP voters. This shows the yes voters who are indicating they will vote Labour that the SNP are changing path, very clever imo

I don't get it. You do realise it's an ad for the Tories ...?

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I don't get it. You do realise it's an ad for the Tories ...?

Ha no didn't notice the bottom right but I hope they keep running it it's spot on, it didn't compute that they would run it. I've never got Ross's attack that Humza or whoever is constantly caring about separatism, isn't that the point. Bizarre if a tory advert who are they aiming at

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.... to be revisited in a generation's time.

Darwin says longer than that

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https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/17...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

This thread could apply to coverage of the SG by the Scottish media.
Ask a Scottish parent what their school is like and they will say it’s great. Ask them about education and they will say it’s terrible.
Health service is the same. My son cut his hand on Tuesday night and severed a tendon. Went to the hospital, got him all patched up within two hours and was sent home with an appointment for 8am the next day for an operation to fix him properly. Service was outstanding from beginning to end. He was home by mid afternoon and it booked in for physio for next couple of months.
Read the media though and it’s a terrible service.


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Service was outstanding from beginning to end.

Good to hear it. Hope the lad's hand heals quickly.

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https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/17...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

This thread could apply to coverage of the SG by the Scottish media.
Ask a Scottish parent what their school is like and they will say it’s great. Ask them about education and they will say it’s terrible.
Health service is the same. My son cut his hand on Tuesday night and severed a tendon. Went to the hospital, got him all patched up within two hours and was sent home with an appointment for 8am the next day for an operation to fix him properly. Service was outstanding from beginning to end. He was home by mid afternoon and it booked in for physio for next couple of months.
Read the media though and it’s a terrible service.

Think I've occasionally heard similar about Scottish education and health on UK media as well.

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https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/17...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

This thread could apply to coverage of the SG by the Scottish media.
Ask a Scottish parent what their school is like and they will say it’s great. Ask them about education and they will say it’s terrible.
Health service is the same. My son cut his hand on Tuesday night and severed a tendon. Went to the hospital, got him all patched up within two hours and was sent home with an appointment for 8am the next day for an operation to fix him properly. Service was outstanding from beginning to end. He was home by mid afternoon and it booked in for physio for next couple of months.
Read the media though and it’s a terrible service.


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Hope he's alright. I adore the NHS the only problem for me is waiting lists for some things for my kids but they are down to covid not the government.

An aside but what a great thread again by JBM apart from here I rarely see him spoken about and it's a shame as he's fast becoming a national treasure imo. He destroys poor policy and government decisions for example in clear detail through graphs and data. He's got fantastic threads on twitter almost every time, he should compile it into a book

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Think I've occasionally heard similar about Scottish education and health on UK media as well.

I don't think they have a leg to stand on when talking about health but our education has went from being in front to a year behind England on average, thanks in no small part to Swinney. Free education obviously counters that a bit but we need to ditch curriculum for excellence and match England soon

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Being a cabbie, I do a lot of work from both hospitals and the punters I pick up have nothing but good things to say about the service.

My wife had a large ovarian cystic mass removed last year, from seeing the doctor, getting CT scans, meeting the surgeon it was all done in 12 weeks, we can't say enough good things about the service, still brilliant.

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I don't think they have a leg to stand on when talking about health but our education has went from being in front to a year behind England on average, thanks in no small part to Swinney. Free education obviously counters that a bit but we need to ditch curriculum for excellence and match England soon

Here you are parroting another unionist attack on Scotland. Is it true? I have no idea, but my experience of the local schools has been nothing other than positive.

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Hope he's alright. I adore the NHS the only problem for me is waiting lists for some things for my kids but they are down to covid not the government.

An aside but what a great thread again by JBM apart from here I rarely see him spoken about and it's a shame as he's fast becoming a national treasure imo. He destroys poor policy and government decisions for example in clear detail through graphs and data. He's got fantastic threads on twitter almost every time, he should compile it into a book

Him and Ed Conway are a cut above.


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Here you are parroting another unionist attack on Scotland. Is it true? I have no idea, but my experience of the local schools has been nothing other than positive.

Why go with the first sentence before checking. PISA tests are a world standard. Scotland was ahead of England we went for the everyone is a winner curriculum for excellence and our education plummeted, just like everyone in the sector said it would. Swinney championed it and then said he'd investigate the collapse did nothing ****** up the highers got a vote of no confidence, then we fell further. I don't think anyone could dispute Swinney was the worse person in charge of the education brief in UK history?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/when-it-comes-to-education-scotland-is-an-example-of-what-not-to-do/

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Why go with the first sentence before checking. PISA tests are a world standard. Scotland was ahead of England we went for the everyone is a winner curriculum for excellence and our education plummeted, just like everyone in the sector said it would. Swinney championed it and then said he'd investigate the collapse did nothing ****** up the highers got a vote of no confidence, then we fell further. I don't think anyone could dispute Swinney was the worse person in charge of the education brief in UK history?

http://<b>https://www.spectator.co.u...not-to-do/</b>

Devolved country decides not to prioritise PISA results above all else in the education of its young people.

Devolved country subsequently does not come top of a PISA league table.

Shock.

And proof that devolution does not work.

England has spent less on education and has come top of these tables. England and the UK are brilliant.

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Devolved country decides not to prioritise PISA results above all else in the education of its young people.

Devolved country subsequently does not come top of a PISA league table.

Shock.

Thank you.

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Good advert!

It’s all they’ve got.

David Mundell is my MP and I get a leaflet through every few months and all it mentions is stopping the SNP.

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Being a cabbie, I do a lot of work from both hospitals and the punters I pick up have nothing but good things to say about the service.

My wife had a large ovarian cystic mass removed last year, from seeing the doctor, getting CT scans, meeting the surgeon it was all done in 12 weeks, we can't say enough good things about the service, still brilliant.

Hope she’s recovered J C

I have, fortunately, not had much use of the NHS but the experiences I have had have all been positive.

2 kids born, mum hip replacement, mother in law broken ankle, at all stages the experiences were positive.

A 10 hour wait for an ambulance for my wife’s grannie a couple of years ago is probably the only negative I’ve experienced, but it was a Saturday night in rural Lanarkshire so there’s some mitigation there.

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Devolved country decides not to prioritise PISA results above all else in the education of its young people.

Devolved country subsequently does not come top of a PISA league table.

Shock.

And proof that devolution does not work.

England has spent less on education and has come top of these tables. England and the UK are brilliant.

Funny we were bragging about our PISA results when we were ahead of England but now the internationally recognised standards aren't good? You don't focus on it or not the comparative tests show a marked decline. Some can be explained by us stupidly closing our schools for longer but ask anyone in the sector about the curriculum for excellence and most will agree it's been a disaster

Sweeden also shared a similar approach to us but after a sharp decline in education standards but they are thankfully changing it.

My wife thought against it when it was clearly failing. She said it would disproportionately hurt disadvantaged youth as richer kids are insulated by stricter home learning and often tutoring. There is no happiness that that has turned out to be exactly what has happened as the data shows
https://reformscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Commission-on-School-Reform-OECD-response-August-2021.pdf

https://archive.ph/QjKBM
In the article Gilruth admits they need to stop the fall but the numbers are still OK and blames covid somehow


I happily praise good SNP policy like free tuition and a minimum number of student places in courses for people of disenfranchised circumstances, both fabulous. The Scottish child payment is probably the best policy brought in by any uk party in a decade. Curriculum for excellence isn't and daft pledges about free laptops for all a waste too. It's a bit tartan jammies to say any criticism in union lies and let's the government get away with poor choices.

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Hope she’s recovered J C

I have, fortunately, not had much use of the NHS but the experiences I have had have all been positive.

2 kids born, mum hip replacement, mother in law broken ankle, at all stages the experiences were positive.

A 10 hour wait for an ambulance for my wife’s grannie a couple of years ago is probably the only negative I’ve experienced, but it was a Saturday night in rural Lanarkshire so there’s some mitigation there.

All good thanks for asking.

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Funny we were bragging about our PISA results when we were ahead of England but now the internationally recognised standards aren't good? You don't focus on it or not the comparative tests show a marked decline. Some can be explained by us stupidly closing our schools for longer but ask anyone in the sector about the curriculum for excellence and most will agree it's been a disaster

Sweeden also shared a similar approach to us but after a sharp decline in education standards but they are thankfully changing it.

My wife thought against it when it was clearly failing. She said it would disproportionately hurt disadvantaged youth as richer kids are insulated by stricter home learning and often tutoring. There is no happiness that that has turned out to be exactly what has happened as the data shows
https://reformscotland.com/wp-conten...ugust-2021.pdf

https://archive.ph/QjKBM
In the article Gilruth admits they need to stop the fall but the numbers are still OK and blames covid somehow


I happily praise good SNP policy like free tuition and a minimum number of student places in courses for people of disenfranchised circumstances, both fabulous. The Scottish child payment is probably the best policy brought in by any uk party in a decade. Curriculum for excellence isn't and daft pledges about free laptops for all a waste too. It's a bit tartan jammies to say any criticism in union lies and let's the government get away with poor choices.

The laptops are well used? Both my kids have them and they use them for everything. All their homework is put on teams and they use it to ask teachers questions etc. I’m not sure how modern schools could operate without them to be honest?


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The laptops are well used? Both my kids have them and they use them for everything. All their homework is put on teams and they use it to ask teachers questions etc. I’m not sure how modern schools could operate without them to be honest?


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The idea was good but they failed to do it 4 years after they saying the would, Gilruth has said its now being scaled back.

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Funny we were bragging about our PISA results when we were ahead of England but now the internationally recognised standards aren't good? You don't focus on it or not the comparative tests show a marked decline. Some can be explained by us stupidly closing our schools for longer but ask anyone in the sector about the curriculum for excellence and most will agree it's been a disaster

Sweeden also shared a similar approach to us but after a sharp decline in education standards but they are thankfully changing it.

My wife thought against it when it was clearly failing. She said it would disproportionately hurt disadvantaged youth as richer kids are insulated by stricter home learning and often tutoring. There is no happiness that that has turned out to be exactly what has happened as the data shows
https://reformscotland.com/wp-conten...ugust-2021.pdf

https://archive.ph/QjKBM
In the article Gilruth admits they need to stop the fall but the numbers are still OK and blames covid somehow


I happily praise good SNP policy like free tuition and a minimum number of student places in courses for people of disenfranchised circumstances, both fabulous. The Scottish child payment is probably the best policy brought in by any uk party in a decade. Curriculum for excellence isn't and daft pledges about free laptops for all a waste too. It's a bit tartan jammies to say any criticism in union lies and let's the government get away with poor choices.

It's not entirely clear here whether Mrs 2 7 most objected to the aims of the CFE or their implementation. Was she against it when it was announced (so, opposed to its aims) or did she turn against it if/when it was not implemented properly? Or both?

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She like many in the education agencies were against its aims before it was implemented. It was based on theory with no data and education is too important to take a punt on guess. Swinney said when it was clear standards were falling that there would be a review that was 4 years ago, it's fell much further. There is nothing wrong with trying something but it's insanity to not change when it's continually not working.

When Jack McConnell was FM p1-3 in Scotland ranked highest in the world

[Berwickhibby]

More than half of SNP MPs failed to vote on a flagship plan to suspend MPs who are arrested on suspicion of a serious offence, meaning Labour had to rely on votes from Tory politicians for it to pass through Westminster. It strengthens laws around the protection of vulnerable people at the House of Commons.

But despite the seriousness of this debate, only 21 Nat MPs came to the chamber to vote on the proposals, meaning 22 failed to even show up at all. This included the likes of Leader Stephen Flynn, his Depute Mhairi Black who has complained repeatedly about the toxic-ness of the UK Parliament, and Patrick Grady who was previously suspended by the party after being found guilty of sexual misconduct. 🤔🤔🤔 wonder why