Climate change and the impending apocalypse

[Stairway 2 7]

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What we really need is legislation to outlaw wood burning and multi fuel stoves......

|Meanwhile we can carry on flying around in our private planers and helicopters, jet of all around the globe on holiday, burn thousands of acres of grouse moor, import food from all around the world \(obviously needed even more now we are because we are building houses, despite Nimbyism, on prime agricultural land).

We're importing food because of profit not space and food choice ie wanting non native foods. Only 0.1% of the uk is made up of actual homes, about 5% of uk is classified urban areas.

Even if our pitiful housebuilding increases I'm confident Scotland will be net zero by 2050 after that we should be going carbon negative. Agriculture is actually a huge emmiter of our co2 about 7.8% our 2nd highest cause of emissions. That's why countries like Holland and Germany are trying to cut farmers production and emissions to hit net zero.

Transport excluding air travel is out in front at worst culprit 10.9% of emissions, hence us wanting to cut car use dramatically. Businesses 3rd 7.5%, residential 6.3%. All new builds will have to be electric heating now which will help get net zero, replacing existing gas boilers will be harder. 5% energy, gas, coal and oil power stations. Air travel and shipping together is only 0.7%.

You can see why cars, agricultural and heating homes in buildings are the targets. Cut them or turn them electric and we'll get net zero. Scotland are doing pretty well I think in the push to electrify

[Moulin Yarns]

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What we really need is legislation to outlaw wood burning and multi fuel stoves......

|Meanwhile we can carry on flying around in our private planers and helicopters, jet of all around the globe on holiday, burn thousands of acres of grouse moor, import food from all around the world \(obviously needed even more now we are because we are building houses, despite Nimbyism, on prime agricultural land).

See this stooshie about wood burning stoves, why has there been nothing said about the stricter ban on oil and gas boilers??

[Stairway 2 7]

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See this stooshie about wood burning stoves, why has there been nothing said about the stricter ban on oil and gas boilers??

I think a number of green advocates I've seen are saying they are happy they are being banned in large towns and cities but unhappy about in some rural settings. I've read that for some they can be net zero sustainable and a source for when power isn't guaranteed. I don't know enough about them personally. I'm glad on the ban for oil and gas in new builds, it seems a no brainer

[Moulin Yarns]

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I think a number of green advocates I've seen are saying they are happy they are being banned in large towns and cities but unhappy about in some rural settings. I've read that for some they can be net zero sustainable and a source for when power isn't guaranteed. I don't know enough about them personally. I'm glad on the ban for oil and gas in new builds, it seems a no brainer

I am in a small hamlet of about 20 houses and I think we all have wood burning stoves, myself included. I planted a number of trees in the garden up to 36 years ago and coppiced them in rotation for fuel. Coppiced wood regrow so it's very sustainable.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I am in a small hamlet of about 20 houses and I think we all have wood burning stoves, myself included. I planted a number of trees in the garden up to 36 years ago and coppiced them in rotation for fuel. Coppiced wood regrow so it's very sustainable.

Sounds absolutely brilliant 👏

[RyeSloan]

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I am in a small hamlet of about 20 houses and I think we all have wood burning stoves, myself included. I planted a number of trees in the garden up to 36 years ago and coppiced them in rotation for fuel. Coppiced wood regrow so it's very sustainable.

Which is probably the perfect use case for wood burning stoves.

What isn’t though is my neighbour up the road who has a house in a rather more built up area (that obviously has mains gas and electricity) that decides to put theirs on at any opportunity and routinely stink the road out with whatever they are burning in it.

There is now an odd situation where we are happily banning cars for their pollution but not bothering to police people routinely burning wood in fires in populated areas years after clean air acts were brought in to stop people doing exactly that.

Wood burning stoves do have a place in the types of situation you have described but I’m all for a ban in Inner city / urban areas.

[wookie70]

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Which is probably the perfect use case for wood burning stoves.

What isn’t though is my neighbour up the road who has a house in a rather more built up area (that obviously has mains gas and electricity) that decides to put theirs on at any opportunity and routinely stink the road out with whatever they are burning in it.

There is now an odd situation where we are happily banning cars for their pollution but not bothering to police people routinely burning wood in fires in populated areas years after clean air acts were brought in to stop people doing exactly that.

Wood burning stoves do have a place in the types of situation you have described but I’m all for a ban in Inner city / urban areas.

I have a wood burner. I dry my wood for a couple of years and would only burn very dry logs. I can't even see smoke out my chimney when it is burning. No idea about particulates though and nearly all my wood has came from people chopping down trees and wanting rid of them. Much harder these days than it was a few years back but I have a good stock still

[Ozyhibby]

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I have a wood burner. I dry my wood for a couple of years and would only burn very dry logs. I can't even see smoke out my chimney when it is burning. No idea about particulates though and nearly all my wood has came from people chopping down trees and wanting rid of them. Much harder these days than it was a few years back but I have a good stock still

I can see why people like wood burners. There is something amazing about watching a fire and tending to it. However, we can’t all have one. There isn’t enough wood. There is a reason we switched to coal. We were running out of trees to burn. Wood is not a very efficient fossil fuel to burn. It’s not very dense like coal.
Given that we can’t all have wood burners, how should society decide who gets to have one?


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[Moulin Yarns]

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I can see why people like wood burners. There is something amazing about watching a fire and tending to it. However, we can’t all have one. There isn’t enough wood. There is a reason we switched to coal. We were running out of trees to burn. Wood is not a very efficient fossil fuel to burn. It’s not very dense like coal.
Given that we can’t all have wood burners, how should society decide who gets to have one?


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If you read both my and wookie' posts you should realise that we are both using wood that would go to waste otherwise. I burn my own wood which regrows for future years. I also live in a house with no oil or gas heating system in a rural situation where power cuts are a frequent occurrence. Very different situation to the central belt.

Who chooses? Well the new building regulations have been pretty clear.

[superfurryhibby]

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I can see why people like wood burners. There is something amazing about watching a fire and tending to it. However, we can’t all have one. There isn’t enough wood. There is a reason we switched to coal. We were running out of trees to burn. Wood is not a very efficient fossil fuel to burn. It’s not very dense like coal.
Given that we can’t all have wood burners, how should society decide who gets to have one?


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People also like wood burners because it saves them being extorted by robber power suppliers. Amazingly, with some straightforward adaptations, you can also do things like heat your hot water with it too.

You're making things up about availability of wood and the switch to coal. Coal had been used for fuel for a long, long time in Scotland. However, the speed, scale and demands of industrialisation required industrial level mining of a fuel that was suitable for it's needs. Nothing to do with availability of wood.

The Scottish timber industry produces huge amounts of low grade wood, much is unsuitable for construction, Mostly used for pulp, but It burns nicely too.

[Stairway 2 7]

Burners should be definitely banned in new builds and only really used when other heating sources available. It produces more co2 than oil and gas for the same amount of heat and methane. Obviously renewable electricity is much much better than all 3 and where we have to be heading as soon as we can. If we want net zero we need to go electric as fast as we can and we are getting there

[Stairway 2 7]

Electric vehicles are now saving 1.5 million barrels of oil being burnt a day. Two thirds of that are from people choosing to ride electric bikes. On yer bikes everyone!

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-...ting-emissions

[Ozyhibby]

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Electric vehicles are now saving 1.5 million barrels of oil being burnt a day. Two thirds of that are from people choosing to ride electric bikes. On yer bikes everyone!

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-...ting-emissions

I’m surprised electric Vespas are not becoming more popular?


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[Stairway 2 7]

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I’m surprised electric Vespas are not becoming more popular?


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Think electric bikes have just got so good, hundreds of delivery drivers choosing them over mopeds it seems. Think the bonus is the battery is easily taken off and charged in the house, its light and easy to do but also makes the bike less likely to steal as the battery is the main price sometimes.

The have also came down in price can get a good one for about 800 in halfords and you can pay it up there, over 60 a month for a bus pass. Cycle to work scheme is great if its available at your work. Takes a third off the bikes cost minimum through tax savings and let's you pay over 12 or 18 months

[Ozyhibby]

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Think electric bikes have just got so good, hundreds of delivery drivers choosing them over mopeds it seems. Think the bonus is the battery is easily taken off and charged in the house, its light and easy to do but also makes the bike less likely to steal as the battery is the main price sometimes.

The have also came down in price can get a good one for about 800 in halfords and you can pay it up there, over 60 a month for a bus pass. Cycle to work scheme is great if its available at your work. Takes a third off the bikes cost minimum through tax savings and let's you pay over 12 or 18 months

It’s theft that would be my biggest worry with an electric bike.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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It’s theft that would be my biggest worry with an electric bike.


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Feel alright if I take the battery off means I need a bag if uptown in shops ect though. Say its 800 for the bike its 500 second hand and 200 if the person has to find and buy a battery, thieves are probably going to go for a better steal. Dig dlock and they need an angle grinder too. The zoomos all the delivery drivers have don't need locked they immobilise, think about 2k to buy, can be rented for under 50 a week though

[RyeSloan]

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I’m surprised electric Vespas are not becoming more popular?


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A 50cc petrol scooter will go about 100 miles on a single 5l tank of petrol and obviously you don’t need space to charge it.

Compared to an electric one which might do 40 miles on a full charge.

Sure they will eventually be a thing but the use case is still pretty weak I’d say.

I’ve commuted for years on a scooter. By far the most convenient, speedy and cost effective way of getting about town.

Cheap to buy (esp. second hand) and extremely cheap to run I’m amazed more people don’t do it.

Sensibly Edinburgh has excluded them from the LEZ rules as well.

[Bristolhibby]

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I can see why people like wood burners. There is something amazing about watching a fire and tending to it. However, we can’t all have one. There isn’t enough wood. There is a reason we switched to coal. We were running out of trees to burn. Wood is not a very efficient fossil fuel to burn. It’s not very dense like coal.
Given that we can’t all have wood burners, how should society decide who gets to have one?


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Money decides. Seen the price of a wood burner?

Also modern insulated houses simply don’t need them. My house is roasting, compared to my last mid 30s semi detached that I used to live in.

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Dubai: a year's rain fell in one day. The pictures are apocalyptic.

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https://x.com/DaveThroup/status/1780566686644445217

It has been the wettest 6 months across the whole of England since records began in 1871.

The wettest 12 months across 18 English catchments

And the wettest 18 month period for England on record.

[Ozyhibby]

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https://x.com/DaveThroup/status/1780566686644445217

Funny thing is their water companies are so useless and have stolen so much money that they are only about 8 weeks away from a hose pipe ban.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Humza Yousaf Sept 23
"The UK government rolling back on their climate pledges is unforgivable.

It's time for climate action and ambition. Scotland will continue to show global leadership in the face of the climate crisis.

The UK Government is on the wrong side of history, I'd urge them to rethink"



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...at_format=link

The Scottish government is to ditch its flagship target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 75% by 2030.

The final goal of reaching "net-zero" by 2045 will remain, but BBC Scotland News understands the government's annual climate targets could also go.

Ministers have missed eight of the last 12 annual targets and have been told that reaching the 75% milestone by the end of the decade is unachievable.

A statement is expected at Holyrood on Thursday afternoon.

The Climate Change Committee (CCC) - which provides independent advice to ministers - warned back in 2022 that Scotland had lost its lead over the rest of the UK in tackling the issue

[Berwickhibby]

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Humza Yousaf Sept 23
"The UK government rolling back on their climate pledges is unforgivable.

It's time for climate action and ambition. Scotland will continue to show global leadership in the face of the climate crisis.

The UK Government is on the wrong side of history, I'd urge them to rethink"



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...at_format=link

The Scottish government is to ditch its flagship target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 75% by 2030.

The final goal of reaching "net-zero" by 2045 will remain, but BBC Scotland News understands the government's annual climate targets could also go.

Ministers have missed eight of the last 12 annual targets and have been told that reaching the 75% milestone by the end of the decade is unachievable.

A statement is expected at Holyrood on Thursday afternoon.

The Climate Change Committee (CCC) - which provides independent advice to ministers - warned back in 2022 that Scotland had lost its lead over the rest of the UK in tackling the issue

Where is the outrage that the Scottish Government has failed out 8 of 12 of the targets set… Yousless was jetting around the globe boasting how Scotland was a world leader on reaching net zero. 🙄

[Moulin Yarns]

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Where is the outrage that the Scottish Government has failed out 8 of 12 of the targets set… Yousless was jetting around the globe boasting how Scotland was a world leader on reaching net zero. 🙄

Ambitious targets are more difficult to achieve. On the other hand...


the UK’s Labour Party rolled back its pledge to make £28 billion per year of additional capital expenditure available to meet the country’s Net Zero target: extra spending is now likely to be around £5 billion should Labour form the next government.

[Berwickhibby]

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Ambitious targets are more difficult to achieve. On the other hand...


the UK’s Labour Party rolled back its pledge to make £28 billion per year of additional capital expenditure available to meet the country’s Net Zero target: extra spending is now likely to be around £5 billion should Labour form the next government.

Deflect deflect …look over there …don’t look at the SNP failures

[Ozyhibby]

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Deflect deflect …look over there …don’t look at the SNP failures

There is a lack of seriousness from both govts and Labour on this issue. And also from the public. Every restriction on the burning of fossil fuels is opposed and politically costly for whichever govt is doing it.
We can see it here with the LEZ, the introduction of cycle lanes, phasing out wood burning stoves in new build houses etc etc.
Everyone says they want to stop climate change. So long as it’s not inconvenient for them.


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[Hibrandenburg]

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There is a lack of seriousness from both govts and Labour on this issue. And also from the public. Every restriction on the burning of fossil fuels is opposed and politically costly for whichever govt is doing it.
We can see it here with the LEZ, the introduction of cycle lanes, phasing out wood burning stoves in new build houses etc etc.
Everyone says they want to stop climate change. So long as it’s not inconvenient for them.


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There's lots of denial going on. You just have to look at the outrage in Musselburgh over plans to build flood defences. Most of the arguments against seem to be that rising sea levels and climate change is just scaremongering.

[Stairway 2 7]

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There is a lack of seriousness from both govts and Labour on this issue. And also from the public. Every restriction on the burning of fossil fuels is opposed and politically costly for whichever govt is doing it.
We can see it here with the LEZ, the introduction of cycle lanes, phasing out wood burning stoves in new build houses etc etc.
Everyone says they want to stop climate change. So long as it’s not inconvenient for them.


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Spot on. All of the above don't care enough certainly not over votes. Uxbridge byelection created more power than it should have. Fact is we can get net zero with our too biggest co2 contributers changing, car transport and house heating. There is uproar when any gov or council tries to cut the biggest polluter car use.

[Ozyhibby]

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Spot on. All of the above don't care enough certainly not over votes. Uxbridge byelection created more power than it should have. Fact is we can get net zero with our too biggest co2 contributers changing, car transport and house heating. There is uproar when any gov or council tries to cut the biggest polluter car use.

Climate activists also need to take a hard look at themselves. Great at complaining about lack of action but when some action does happen they disappear and leave politicians twisting in the wind taking on the opposition to the changes. They should be out in force praising authorities like Edinburgh council for bringing in LEZ and building cycle paths. It’s much easier just to moan about what’s not happening though.


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A 50cc petrol scooter will go about 100 miles on a single 5l tank of petrol and obviously you don’t need space to charge it.

Compared to an electric one which might do 40 miles on a full charge.

Sure they will eventually be a thing but the use case is still pretty weak I’d say.

I’ve commuted for years on a scooter. By far the most convenient, speedy and cost effective way of getting about town.

Cheap to buy (esp. second hand) and extremely cheap to run I’m amazed more people don’t do it.

Sensibly Edinburgh has excluded them from the LEZ rules as well.

I take it any bikes are okay. I just checked and my vespa PX is allowed and it's a 2 stroke. Need to get my finger out and get it back on the road again.