Congestion charges and low emission zones

[Ozyhibby]

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[wookie70]

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Damage to the road due to the weight of the vehicle needs to be factored in. Private transport in general is subsidised, we don't pay anything close to the actual true cost (health, environmental, infrastructure).
A lot of folk are quite rightly complaining about the state of the roads around Edinburgh & beyond, the collapsed culvert at Cameron Toll a significant case in point. However, few folk want to concede that vehicle ownership has more than doubled in the last 30 years, and over the same time, the weight of the "average" vehicle has increased 25-30%. Basic maths means the roads are getting 2.5 times the damage, 2.5 times the potholes, they won't be getting 2.5 times the funding (inflation adjusted).

I'd wager the weather is at least a big a factor as well as the quality of the workmanship in building and maintaining the roads. Everything is now done on cost rather than value and the UK infrastructure is dreadful. There may well be double the cars on the road but they are much more efficient and produce far less emissions than cars back in the day. Totally agree with your point about weight of vehicles. I'd love to see how many cars drive through Edinburgh City Centre now compared to 30 years ago. The city as a whole hasn't seen the growth in traffic you have described and I suspect the centre of Edinburgh will have less miles travelled than the 1990s as it is so painful to drive through.

I am actually in favour of trying to reduce car use in cities and encourage cycling and lower impact forms of transport. The problem for me is that there is no real vision and no bravery to change Edinburgh completely. Everything is half-hearted and just causes resentment from both sides. Be bold and if you want central Edinburgh to be car free then let residents know win good time(5-10 years) and come up with a plan that can make it happen.

A few years old but since the Scottish Parliament was formed until 2020 car ownership had only increased by 38%

[Hibs4185]

I seen people down south putting bat boxes over the cameras. Council can’t remove them due to bat boxes being protected.

[superfurryhibby]

Edinburgh's emission zone charges appear ridiculously high, another easy source of cash for the council no doubt.

[Ozyhibby]

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Edinburgh's emission zone charges appear ridiculously high, another easy source of cash for the council no doubt.

I don’t think councils have many ‘easy’ sources of cash?


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[Moulin Yarns]

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I seen people down south putting bat boxes over the cameras. Council can’t remove them due to bat boxes being protected.

Bat boxes aren't protected if there is no evidence of bats. Very easy to check.

[superfurryhibby]

People may not realise this but cities around Britain are taking very different approaches to ULEZ and how it's implemented. We are going down the cash cow and milking it senseless route . Our charges are not reasonable.


https://www.bumper.co/blog/ulez-cities-uk

[Ozyhibby]

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People may not realise this but cities around Britain are taking very different approaches to ULEZ and how it's implemented. We are going down the cash cow and milking it senseless route . Our charges are not reasonable.


https://www.bumper.co/blog/ulez-cities-uk

I’d say the opposite. The charges are too high to provide a long term income stream. People with non compliant vehicle will avoid Edinburgh and the charge. Just ask Berwickhibby. It looks designed to stop the most polluting vehicles from coming into the city.
Should help Edinburgh council not be sued by a bunch of old ladies in the future.


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[Jack]

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People may not realise this but cities around Britain are taking very different approaches to ULEZ and how it's implemented. We are going down the cash cow and milking it senseless route . Our charges are not reasonable.


https://www.bumper.co/blog/ulez-cities-uk

Does anyone know anyone with a non LEZ compliant car? Apart from Berwickhibby.

I know 2. One said he's never near the zones so it won't affect him. The other lives in the zone and although very faux angry knew his clapped out old banger should have been changed years ago!

I've just done a wee bit of Google research 😅

The average car in the UK is less than 10 years old and on average will be scrapped when 16. I tried to find the number or percentage of vehicles actually affected. Alas, I couldn't find it but while I suspect the number will look big the percentage will be very low.

Diesel cars are not compliant at average age and most petrol cars will have been scrapped.

[Callum_62]

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Does anyone know anyone with a non LEZ compliant car? Apart from Berwickhibby.

I know 2. One said he's never near the zones so it won't affect him. The other lives in the zone and although very faux angry knew his clapped out old banger should have been changed years ago!

I've just done a wee bit of Google research

The average car in the UK is less than 10 years old and on average will be scrapped when 16. I tried to find the number or percentage of vehicles actually affected. Alas, I couldn't find it but while I suspect the number will look big the percentage will be very low.

Diesel cars are not compliant at average age and most petrol cars will have been scrapped.

I think vans may be the main issue

Doesn't affect me in the slightest though

Smug electric driver

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[Berwickhibby]

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Does anyone know anyone with a non LEZ compliant car? Apart from Berwickhibby.

I know 2. One said he's never near the zones so it won't affect him. The other lives in the zone and although very faux angry knew his clapped out old banger should have been changed years ago!

I've just done a wee bit of Google research ��

The average car in the UK is less than 10 years old and on average will be scrapped when 16. I tried to find the number or percentage of vehicles actually affected. Alas, I couldn't find it but while I suspect the number will look big the percentage will be very low.

Diesel cars are not compliant at average age and most petrol cars will have been scrapped.

My car is compliant, however my van is not even though it’s regularly serviced, low milage lawfully compliant with MOT, business insurance and taxed. The Ulez lack of dispensation will force prices up for the public …I have lost a few central Edinburgh contracts and the slack has been picked up by others…the extra cost will be met by the client.

[overdrive]

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Does anyone know anyone with a non LEZ compliant car? Apart from Berwickhibby.

I know 2. One said he's never near the zones so it won't affect him. The other lives in the zone and although very faux angry knew his clapped out old banger should have been changed years ago!

I've just done a wee bit of Google research ��

The average car in the UK is less than 10 years old and on average will be scrapped when 16. I tried to find the number or percentage of vehicles actually affected. Alas, I couldn't find it but while I suspect the number will look big the percentage will be very low.

Diesel cars are not compliant at average age and most petrol cars will have been scrapped.

A guy I know has one. He commutes into the LEZ zone and parks in his work car park which is, unfortunately for him, not that far into the LEZ. He's ordered a new car but it won't be ready until September so I think he's getting the train until then.

[Ozyhibby]

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My car is compliant, however my van is not even though it’s regularly serviced, low milage lawfully compliant with MOT, business insurance and taxed. The Ulez lack of dispensation will force prices up for the public …I have lost a few central Edinburgh contracts and the slack has been picked up by others…the extra cost will be met by the client.

I doubt the number of non compliant vehicles will affect price inflation.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Know a car driver and she says she never drives in centre and its easy to go round. About 3 boys with work vans two of who are constantly fuming on twitter. Think the numbers of cars effected are so low that it'll make no difference in what it's wanting to achieve.

The plan next is that no cars will be able to drive through town just in and out of one quarter. If that passes I think that will have more impact to car and environment numbers

[Ozyhibby]

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Know a car driver and she says she never drives in centre and its easy to go round. About 3 boys with work vans two of who are constantly fuming on twitter. Think the numbers of cars effected are so low that it'll make no difference in what it's wanting to achieve.

The plan next is that no cars will be able to drive through town just in and out of one quarter. If that passes I think that will have more impact to car and environment numbers

One thing opponents have correct about this is it is the thin end of the wedge. Once the infrastructure is in place then it will be used to gradually reduce the number of cars that can use the city centre. And the area covered by it will grow.
And we’ll all be better for it.


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Know a car driver and she says she never drives in centre and its easy to go round. About 3 boys with work vans two of who are constantly fuming on twitter. Think the numbers of cars effected are so low that it'll make no difference in what it's wanting to achieve.

The plan next is that no cars will be able to drive through town just in and out of one quarter. If that passes I think that will have more impact to car and environment numbers

If that comes to pass, the bypass will be overwhelmed, causing massive queues and more pollution

[Ozyhibby]

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If that comes to pass, the bypass will be overwhelmed, causing massive queues and more pollution

Or more people will get the bus?


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[Berwickhibby]

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I doubt the number of non compliant vehicles will affect price inflation.


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Try telling that to the couples booking music for their weddings, it has increased by £250 in 2024.

[Stairway 2 7]

Mass building of cycleways and closing streets has created a cycling revolution in Paris

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...h=342a1dda3640

[Ozyhibby]

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Mass building of cycleways and closing streets has created a cycling revolution in Paris

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...h=342a1dda3640

Yes but that wouldn’t work here.


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[superfurryhibby]

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I’d say the opposite. The charges are too high to provide a long term income stream. People with non compliant vehicle will avoid Edinburgh and the charge. Just ask Berwickhibby. It looks designed to stop the most polluting vehicles from coming into the city.
Should help Edinburgh council not be sued by a bunch of old ladies in the future.


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I have a non compliant vehicle and live in Edinburgh.

In case anyone other than Oz is interested Edinburgh charges are exorbitant. Many cities across the UK are taking a different route. Some are exempting cars and only focusing on commercial vehicles. Some are charging the likes of £10.00 day (initially at least) for non compliant vans, higher for buses. Edinburgh seems to have the highest and most restrictive approach.

Speaking personally, I'll just drive around the ULez. It will make my journey longer and no doubt I'll use more Diesel in doing so and cause more congestion in peripheral areas. My car is a 13 years old and has only done 90,000k, I'll not be selling it. I don't routinely drive through town that often, so a bit of a compromise for me, but not that hard to overcome.

Nothing easier than introducing punitive charges for non compliant vehicles.

There are widely varying approaches to implementing ULEZ, Edinburgh has opted for the cash cow and a right good milking.

https://www.bumper.co/blog/ulez-cities-uk read this and weep

[Stairway 2 7]

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I have a non compliant vehicle and live in Edinburgh.

In case anyone other than Oz is interested Edinburgh charges are exorbitant. Many cities across the UK are taking a different route. Some are exempting cars and only focusing on commercial vehicles. Some are charging the likes of £10.00 day (initially at least) for non compliant vans, higher for buses. Edinburgh seems to have the highest and most restrictive approach.

Speaking personally, I'll just drive around the ULez. It will make my journey longer and no doubt I'll use more Diesel in doing so and cause more congestion in peripheral areas. My car is a 13 years old and has only done 90,000k, I'll not be selling it. I don't routinely drive through town that often, so a bit of a compromise for me, but not that hard to overcome.

Nothing easier than introducing punitive charges for non compliant vehicles.

There are widely varying approaches to implementing ULEZ, Edinburgh has opted for the cash cow and a right good milking.

https://www.bumper.co/blog/ulez-cities-uk read this and weep

I think charging £8 would be a cash cow as people might pay it. No one will pay Edinburghs huge fines.

I'd prefer all cars penalised but I'm sure that will come, hopefully the plan for through traffic comes

[Berwickhibby]

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I think charging £8 would be a cash cow as people might pay it. No one will pay Edinburghs huge fines.

I'd prefer all cars penalised but I'm sure that will come, hopefully the plan for through traffic comes

Rather pay £8 voluntary than being punished with fines up to £480 for 3 breaches within 10 months

[Ozyhibby]

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Rather pay £8 voluntary than being punished with fines up to £480 for 3 breaches within 10 months

Absolutely, which is why accusations of the council doing it to make money are wide of the mark. They genuinely want to stop pollution in the city centre. There are legal requirements on them to do so.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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Rather pay £8 voluntary than being punished with fines up to £480 for 3 breaches within 10 months

Yeah defo most will be the same very few will pay the huge fine deliberately.

[Moulin Yarns]

Can we clear up the misconception that this edinburgh council.

Here is Glasgow

https://glasgow.gov.uk/30224

I imagine Dundee and Aberdeen are the same. So get it out of your minds that edinburgh is any different to other ULEZ fines.

[Ozyhibby]

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Can we clear up the misconception that this edinburgh council.

Here is Glasgow

https://glasgow.gov.uk/30224

I imagine Dundee and Aberdeen are the same. So get it out of your minds that edinburgh is any different to other ULEZ fines.

It’s everywhere across Europe and everywhere will need to start complying or else people will start to bring legal action against authorities who don’t.


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[Berwickhibby]

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Can we clear up the misconception that this edinburgh council.

Here is Glasgow

https://glasgow.gov.uk/30224

I imagine Dundee and Aberdeen are the same. So get it out of your minds that edinburgh is any different to other ULEZ fines.

Yes but Scotland is the only country in the UK that do not offer dispensation for vehicles to enter for a fee…straight to enforcement and punishment

[Moulin Yarns]

Birmingham ULEZ fines


The standard penalty charge is £120 and you have up to 28 days to pay the standard charge from the date of issue of the PCN

[Stairway 2 7]

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Birmingham ULEZ fines


The standard penalty charge is £120 and you have up to 28 days to pay the standard charge from the date of issue of the PCN

That's if you don't pay the £8 the other link said. Not that it matters Scotland are free to make different rules to England if they want, I prefer ours although I'd have restrictions for all drivers if we want to make a difference