Hamas attack on Israel

[Ozyhibby]

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That isn't true but makes a good soundbite. Like in Syria, Turkey, Rwanda were doing what we always do nothing.

I think Starmer’s proposal was about best. Hamas give up the hostages and Israel stop bombing. Seems simple but both sides want to destroy each other.

Did he mention Isreal releasing their hostages?


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Did he mention Isreal releasing their hostages?


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There's a false equivalence comparing the two. Israels prisoners are often I'm sure imprisoned on made up charges but they are tried or awaiting trial. Many would be better described as political prisoners. That's different from the mass detention and systematic rape of civilians.

As I've said umpteen times both government on the separate sides are up their with the most vile regimes in the world. Just because Israel is committing genocide it doesn't mean deflection should be used to protect the homophobic, rapists and antisemitic Hamas.

We're now also seeing the bizarre site of people defending the terrorist Houthis. Houthis have been killing Yemenis for years, openly enslave people and are trying to bomb civilians.

[Ozyhibby]

Jeremy Corbyn and Iain Duncan Smith both ask good questions in today’s debate.


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There's a false equivalence comparing the two. Israels prisoners are often I'm sure imprisoned on made up charges but they are tried or awaiting trial. Many would be better described as political prisoners. That's different from the mass detention and systematic rape of civilians.

As I've said umpteen times both government on the separate sides are up their with the most vile regimes in the world. Just because Israel is committing genocide it doesn't mean deflection should be used to protect the homophobic, rapists and antisemitic Hamas.

We're now also seeing the bizarre site of people defending the terrorist Houthis. Houthis have been killing Yemenis for years, openly enslave people and are trying to bomb civilians.

I’m not defending the Houthi’s, I’d just like to see a comprehensive plan to try bring about peace rather than getting sucked into each individual skirmish. I doubt we will be able to stop the Houthi’s attacking ships unless we are willing to massively increase our involvement.
I also think that while we have no interest in a two state solution then we are going to be constantly getting involved in these things.


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I’m not defending the Houthi’s, I’d just like to see a comprehensive plan to try bring about peace rather than getting sucked into each individual skirmish. I doubt we will be able to stop the Houthi’s attacking ships unless we are willing to massively increase our involvement.
I also think that while we have no interest in a two state solution then we are going to be constantly getting involved in these things.


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How long should this plan take. This morning they sent a drone to a US cruiser and reports coming through that an hour ago they shot a missile at a Greek cargo ship.

Doesn't need one boot on the ground, missiles should be sent to every Houthi radar station and launch site until they can slow this down. Ukraine with no navy opening the Black see with HIMARS is more impressive than dozens of nations keeping the red sea open.

Or we could do nothing close the red sea and then complain at the starvation and inflation it causes

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How long should this plan take. This morning they sent a drone to a US cruiser and reports coming through that an hour ago they shot a missile at a Greek cargo ship.

Doesn't need one boot on the ground, missiles should be sent to every Houthi radar station and launch site until they can slow this down. Ukraine with no navy opening the Black see with HIMARS is more impressive than dozens of nations keeping the red sea open.

Or we could do nothing close the red sea and then complain at the starvation and inflation it causes

I can agree with this action if I thought we had a more comprehensive plan? In the meantime, we are dancing to Iran’s tune.


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How long should this plan take. This morning they sent a drone to a US cruiser and reports coming through that an hour ago they shot a missile at a Greek cargo ship.

Doesn't need one boot on the ground, missiles should be sent to every Houthi radar station and launch site until they can slow this down. Ukraine with no navy opening the Black see with HIMARS is more impressive than dozens of nations keeping the red sea open.

Or we could do nothing close the red sea and then complain at the starvation and inflation it causes

Yemeni government appear to disagree.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/15/airstrikes-houthis-aidarus-al-zoubaidi-yemen

Whilst I appreciate they have much to gain from further action against the Houthi’s, there is a good point here. The Saudis have been bombing them for years and have now effectively given up. And the Houthi’s still have the resources to carry out these attacks.

Why are our bombs going to succeed where the Saudis couldn't?

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Yemeni government appear to disagree.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/15/airstrikes-houthis-aidarus-al-zoubaidi-yemen

Whilst I appreciate they have much to gain from further action against the Houthi’s, there is a good point here. The Saudis have been bombing them for years and have now effectively given up. And the Houthi’s still have the resources to carry out these attacks.

Why are our bombs going to succeed where the Saudis couldn't?

Yeah they are going to disagree as they want the weapons and power to win the civil war.

Saudis weren't looking to keep open the sea they were trying to make their proxy win as Ukraine shows opening a sea corridor is easier than winning a land battle.

They don't need the Houthis defeated that would need soldiers. They just need to open the sea corridor. It'll be hard and ongoing but there is no choice bar hitting Iran directly

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Well the poop has hit the fan. They have struck through proxies previously. Iran has just hit the US embassy and an army base in Erbil with ballistic missiles. Irans revolutionary guards have taken responsibility.

US did nothing when Iran supplied Russia with drones, funded Hamas, supplied drones to Houthis to hit civilians and hit us bases through proxies. The US surely can't still do nothing now. Appeasement doesn't work with people who want destruction

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Well the poop has hit the fan. They have struck through proxies previously. Iran has just hit the US embassy and an army base in Erbil with ballistic missiles. Irans revolutionary guards have taken responsibility.

US did nothing when Iran supplied Russia with drones, funded Hamas, supplied drones to Houthis to hit civilians and hit us bases through proxies. The US surely can't still do nothing now. Appeasement doesn't work with people who want destruction

https://www-dailysabah-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/iran-carries-out-strikes-near-us-base-in-iraqs-irbil/amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM %3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17053580123488&refe rrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3 A%2F%2Fwww.dailysabah.com%2Fworld%2Fmid-east%2Firan-carries-out-strikes-near-us-base-in-iraqs-irbil




Is that the same story?

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https://www-dailysabah-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/iran-carries-out-strikes-near-us-base-in-iraqs-irbil/amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM %3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17053580123488&refe rrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3 A%2F%2Fwww.dailysabah.com%2Fworld%2Fmid-east%2Firan-carries-out-strikes-near-us-base-in-iraqs-irbil




Is that the same story?

Yeah a bit worrying

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Yeah a bit worrying

Nowhere in that article does it say that missiles hit us base or embassy!!

[Stairway 2 7]

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Nowhere in that article does it say that missiles hit us base or embassy!!

Well that's that then haha

Here's footage of one of the strikes it's ballistic by the speed
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1747005682799272341

Many reports including kurdish and US say US Consulate, the US Al-Harir base and the international airport hit

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Well that's that then haha

Here's footage of one of the strikes it's ballistic by the speed
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1747005682799272341

Many reports including kurdish and US say US Consulate, the US Al-Harir base and the international airport hit

I've still seen no reports on mainstream news. I do wonder where you get your information.


Latest on the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67989193

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I've still seen no reports on mainstream news. I do wonder where you get your information.


Latest on the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67989193

Masrour Barzani kurdish pm had said the US Consulate was damaged but the US state department are saying US building weren't targeted. Al Jazeera are saying that the US are keen to downplay the incident. BBC is sharing the crazy Iranian line that it was different Mossad centres hit. Probably wait to see what was actually hit

I hope the US aren't hit any time soon only as eventually they would be forced to retaliate.

It looks like some kurdish civilian buildings were destroyed though. The only group of people no one will march for and no politician will tweet about. Their civilians are getting hammered from Iran and Turkey

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The situation in the middle east is worrying enough without people posting inaccurate 'news'.


It might be best to check the details/sources first before posting.

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The situation in the middle east is worrying enough without people posting inaccurate 'news'.


It might be best to check the details/sources first before posting.

Absolutely. 👍

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67999465

Iran is becoming a big problem, firing on Pakistan now.

[Keith_M]

Just been watching some really upsetting news reports from hospitals in Gaza, where doctors are having to treat patients, and perform surgery, with little to no medicine.

One young lad had to have his leg amputated after an Israeli air strike... without anesthetic.


Anybody supporting these evil *******s is beneath contempt.

[neil7908]

So, looks like a regional war that we'll inevitably be dragged into.

Just what we need 😔😔

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Pakistan retaliate against Iran, several dead.

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Just been watching some really upsetting news reports from hospitals in Gaza, where doctors are having to treat patients, and perform surgery, with little to no medicine.

One young lad had to have his leg amputated after an Israeli air strike... without anesthetic.


Anybody supporting these evil *******s is beneath contempt.

Are there no such thing as hospital ships ?

A couple of those, U N run, anchored off the Gaza coast could relieve some of the suffering and not provide cover for Hamas operatives.

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Are there no such thing as hospital ships ?

A couple of those, U N run, anchored off the Gaza coast could relieve some of the suffering and not provide cover for Hamas operatives.

Israel control the water off gaza though.

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Israel control the water off gaza though.

I know but has a hospital ship ever been proposed.

It would probably suit the Israelis , take away cover for Hamas, and less political flack.

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Israel control the water off gaza though.

Yup even before this all kicked off they wouldn't allow Gaza to fish out to its internationally recognised 12 mile limit instead keeping them hemmed in to 6 miles, this in turn decimated the local fish stocks / fishing industry

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I know but has a hospital ship ever been proposed.

It would probably suit the Israelis , take away cover for Hamas, and less political flack.

I doubt saving innocent Palestinian lives is a priority for the Israelis, if it was we wouldn’t have a death toll of over 20,000.

[greenginger]

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2023/10...tal-ships-gaza

There seems to have been a call for hospital ships but that’s as far as it has got.

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https://www.chathamhouse.org/2023/10...tal-ships-gaza

There seems to have been a call for hospital ships but that’s as far as it has got.

Are there a lot of these things lying about?


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Pakistan retaliate against Iran, several dead.

Here we go. The death spiral has begun.

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Are there no such thing as hospital ships ?

A couple of those, U N run, anchored off the Gaza coast could relieve some of the suffering and not provide cover for Hamas operatives.

If the UK, US and EU countries grew a set of balls, they would send hospital ships, and defend them with their own navy.

I wonder why they don't...