2023-24 season non-Hibs games thread

[Sylar]

If Shankland isn't good enough, Brown has absolutely no right being near a Scotland shirt. Utterly awful tonight.

[jeffers]

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Don't disagree with that however we were 3 2 up and he probably wanted to see out a win.

Fair point. Shankland definitely has his weaknesses (as do all our strikers) but after his goal in the previous game it would have been fair to give him a better chance tonight imo.

[Not In The Know]

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I think he deserved more time than he was given. Brown looked totally lightweight and ineffective and he knows what he gets from Dykes.

Shanklands official stats and data on speed, runs etc are shocking. But he can put it in the back of the net at the appropriate level. They know that at national level so only bring him on when it’s punting balls in the box time.

[jakedance]

Some of the criticism here is pretty over the top. This is the best Scotland team and manager we’ve had in a long time. We know we don’t have strength in depth but it’s not like we can go out and sign players. I rarely agree with Clarke’s selections but he obviously knows who to pick to get results. Two draws, with a depleted squad, from tricky games when we’ve already qualified is great going. The way he’s shored up our defence with the players we have is miraculous. Only fifteen teams have conceded fewer in qualifying.

[JammyDoidger]

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Some of the criticism here is pretty over the top. This is the best Scotland team and manager we’ve had in a long time. We know we don’t have strength in depth but it’s not like we can go out and sign players. I rarely agree with Clarke’s selections but he obviously knows who to pick to get results. Two draws, with a depleted squad, from tricky games when we’ve already qualified is great going. The way he’s shored up our defence with the players we have is miraculous. Only fifteen teams have conceded fewer in qualifying.

We've conceded at least 2 goals in each of our last 5 games. The last 2 in particular are cause for concern. Especially tonight, against a Norway team without Haaland and Odegaard, the games don't get any easier. Don't want to lose this feel good factor.

[Hiber-nation]

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If Shankland isn't good enough, Brown has absolutely no right being near a Scotland shirt. Utterly awful tonight.

Scotland can't afford to be starting a striker who basically stands about with his finger up his arse for most of the game, no matter how good his touch and finish is. Brown wasn't great but ran himself into the ground. He's a Premiership player, he's playing at a completely different level from Shankland.

Main problems tonight were left back and keeper, normal service will be resumed there in plenty time.

[Rumble de Thump]

BBC Radio Scotland commentators going completely over the top with the Shankland cheerleading. I'm not sure it will dawn on them that all the other strikers in and around the Scotland squad play at a much higher level than Shankland. He's scored a tap in from a rebound against San Marino and a goal against Georgia that was a header straight at the keeper. I'm glad it went in but how it wasn't easily kept out will remain a mystery.

[WeeRussell]

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Not really Shankland wasn't originally in the Georgia squad. Isn't the most mobile so made sense not to start as a sole striker. Nothing at all to do with who he plays for.

I respectfully* disagree Jim 👍

*On the basis that you’re a good poster, and when all is said and done, he’s still a hearts **** 😁

[JammyDoidger]

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Some of the criticism here is pretty over the top. This is the best Scotland team and manager we’ve had in a long time. We know we don’t have strength in depth but it’s not like we can go out and sign players. I rarely agree with Clarke’s selections but he obviously knows who to pick to get results. Two draws, with a depleted squad, from tricky games when we’ve already qualified is great going. The way he’s shored up our defence with the players we have is miraculous. Only fifteen teams have conceded fewer in qualifying.

We've conceded at least 2 goals in each of our last 5 games. The last 2 in particular are cause for concern. Especially tonight, against a Norway team without Haaland and Odegaard, the games don't get any easier. Don't want to lose this feel good factor.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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i'd take Belgium, Romania and Slovenia for now, need to see who the play-off winners are

[Sylar]

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Scotland can't afford to be starting a striker who basically stands about with his finger up his arse for most of the game, no matter how good his touch and finish is. Brown wasn't great but ran himself into the ground. He's a Premiership player, he's playing at a completely different level from Shankland.

Main problems tonight were left back and keeper, normal service will be resumed there in plenty time.

Brown couldn't convert a single first touch into a pass, couldn't get into space, and not once did he manage to get turned toward goal and get a shot off...

If we've learned nothing from Oli McBurney, we're destined to fail. 'Premier League striker' means absolutely **** all.

I agree entirely on Clark and Taylor.

[WeeRussell]

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Brown couldn't convert a single first touch into a pass, couldn't get into space, and not once did he manage to get turned toward goal and get a shot off...

If we've learned nothing from Oli McBurney, we're destined to fail. 'Premier League striker' means absolutely **** all.

That’s a good point.

I thought Brown would be a lot better and didn’t have an issue with him getting some time over the two games. But he was pretty poor - it doesn’t matter what league he’s playing in.

[Sylar]

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That’s a good point.

I thought Brown would be a lot better and didn’t have an issue with him getting some time over the two games. But he was pretty poor - it doesn’t matter what league he’s playing in.

Would you mind editing your post, WR? I have had a few and realised after posting that my post read as more personal than I intended.

Cheers (and apologies to HN - my initial post was dickish).

[Carheenlea]

Reading the fallout on social media to Shankland’s omission, it’s such a typically Hearts thing to be doing to be making it all about them.

I wonder if they will still be calling him “Shanks” when he’s charging down on their goal in a Rangers strip in a few months time ?

[Mcbizz1998]

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i'd take Belgium, Romania and Slovenia for now, need to see who the play-off winners are

I’d like another pop at Spain. Hopefully reduce Rodri to a snivveling mess again.

[WeeRussell]

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BBC Radio Scotland commentators going completely over the top with the Shankland cheerleading. I'm not sure it will dawn on them that all the other strikers in and around the Scotland squad play at a much higher level than Shankland. He's scored a tap in from a rebound against San Marino and a goal against Georgia that was a header straight at the keeper. I'm glad it went in but how it wasn't easily kept out will remain a mystery.

I think that might be (kind of) their point though. We could do with someone getting on the end of scraps, scoring tap-ins, a regular goal scoring striker. Albeit shankland offers more than just those.

You could count on one hand the amount of times Christian Doidge, at his best, kicked the ball cleanly for us when finishing. But we weren’t half glad for his run of goals, however they were going in.

He already gets stick for scoring penalties on here. I think we’ll have to let him have tap-ins and headers quite close to the keeper 😁

As I say. In Steve Clarke we trust and not the time to over analyse or heavily criticise. I just think it was a little strange the time he got compared to the other two, given the circumstances and their relative contributions.

[SteveHFC]

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i'd take Belgium, Romania and Slovenia for now, need to see who the play-off winners are

Belgium, Albania and the winner of play-off c.

[WeeRussell]

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Would you mind editing your post, WR? I have had a few and realised after posting that my post read as more personal than I intended.

Cheers (and apologies to HN - my initial post was dickish).

Absolutely 👍

Edit: or absolutely not, I should say!

[Rumble de Thump]

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I think that might be (kind of) their point though. We could do with someone getting on the end of scraps, scoring tap-ins, a regular goal scoring striker. Albeit shankland offers more than just those.

You could count on one hand the amount of times Christian Doidge, at his best, kicked the ball cleanly for us when finishing. But we weren’t half glad for his run of goals, however they were going in.

He already gets stick for scoring penalties on here. I think we’ll have to let him have tap-ins and headers quite close to the keeper 😁

As I say. In Steve Clarke we trust and not the time to over analyse or heavily criticise. I just think it was a little strange the time he got compared to the other two, given the circumstances and their relative contributions.

All the goals count. I was just making the point that his two goals for Scotland couldn't really have been less impressive and certainly weren't anything our other strikers aren't capable of. And that the other strikers are also regularly playing against far superior opposition, so anyone being mystified about him not getting more game time is a bit odd. Anyway, it won't really matter when our younger strikers get promoted from the under 21s and start banging the goals in.

[Hiber-nation]

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Would you mind editing your post, WR? I have had a few and realised after posting that my post read as more personal than I intended.

Cheers (and apologies to HN - my initial post was dickish).

Not at all, your post was fine

[JimBHibees]

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I respectfully* disagree Jim 👍

*On the basis that you’re a good poster, and when all is said and done, he’s still a hearts **** 😁

Your probably right

[JimBHibees]

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We've conceded at least 2 goals in each of our last 5 games. The last 2 in particular are cause for concern. Especially tonight, against a Norway team without Haaland and Odegaard, the games don't get any easier. Don't want to lose this feel good factor.

What the last two games have allowed Clarke to do is try out four at the back and see how it impacts the team both attacking and defending wise while giving some guys a run. Makes complete sense to do so but certainly highlighted some limitations. Would be amazed if we aren't playing three at the back come the Euros with hopefully all our top players fit.

[The Veteran]

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It'll be a draw, in my opinion.

Frankenstein Messi will probably not score again!!

2/2.

If anyone needs any more devastatingly accurate predictions, I'm here for you.

[BILLYHIBS]

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2/2.

If anyone needs any more devastatingly accurate predictions, I'm here for you.

Go on then ?

Ukraine v Italy looks tasty

[The Veteran]

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Go on then ?

Ukraine v Italy looks tasty

2-2

Shankland won't score.

Put your mortgage, life savings and a pair of your oldest socks on it, Billy.

You won't be disappointed and you can thank me later.

[green day]

That Macedonian anthem is an absolute shocker....

[Joe6-2]

That was a penalty

[blackpoolhibs]

How with var is that not a penalty?

[easty]

And how was this one given?? Never a pen.

[Joe6-2]

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And how was this one given?? Never a pen.

Justice