Hamas attack on Israel

[stokesmessiah]

Looks like we might be at the beginning of the ground invasion?

[Stairway 2 7]

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More than half the Israeli population now against the current approach being taken by their government. On that basis, what “public” won’t “allow” it? How will they achieve that?

Two polls of 1k people this week say they want retribution, not huge polls

"When asked the question what should be Israel’s primary objective?”, 70% of the public answered to “eliminate Hamas”, 15% answered to “secure the unconditional release of captives held by Hamas”,


"When poll respondents were given the option of launching a ground operation in Gaza to eradicate Hamas or avoiding a ground operation and finding another way to deal with Hamas, 68% chose the former and 25% the latter solution"

A lot a running with a third poll that say 49% believe in holding off a ground invasion just now, 29% wanting a ground offensive now 22% undecided. But it's only 500 people that's why the same poll last week had 65% saying invasion now, the kind of swing you get with 500 people.

Another poll said the majority do not trust the government to deal with the problem which I think is the one your talking about, but that is more about Netanyahu

Even if against starting a ground invasion which is obviously different, I've not seen a poll that says they don't want retaliation or hamas destroyed or a ceasefire?

As for how they achieve it I suppose they will hope to mirror the destruction of isis. It was a semi state at one point held a third of Syria and 40% of Iraq. A coalition bombed all weapons and logistics hubs, all military vehicles, bombed a good part of the hierarchy, they retook Mosul and Raqqa the two main cities in a ground offensive. Isis lost 95% of its land in one year and then were basically destroyed

[stokesmessiah]

Honestly feel sick looking at the news this morning…then you have that absolute twonk Cleverley saying calls for a ceasefire won’t help the situation. I am disgusted by the elected officials in this country from both sides.

[Ozyhibby]

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Two polls of 1k people this week say they want retribution, not huge polls

"When asked the question what should be Israel’s primary objective?”, 70% of the public answered to “eliminate Hamas”, 15% answered to “secure the unconditional release of captives held by Hamas”,


"When poll respondents were given the option of launching a ground operation in Gaza to eradicate Hamas or avoiding a ground operation and finding another way to deal with Hamas, 68% chose the former and 25% the latter solution"

A lot a running with a third poll that say 49% believe in holding off a ground invasion just now, 29% wanting a ground offensive now 22% undecided. But it's only 500 people that's why the same poll last week had 65% saying invasion now, the kind of swing you get with 500 people.

Another poll said the majority do not trust the government to deal with the problem which I think is the one your talking about, but that is more about Netanyahu

Even if against starting a ground invasion which is obviously different, I've not seen a poll that says they don't want retaliation or hamas destroyed or a ceasefire?

As for how they achieve it I suppose they will hope to mirror the destruction of isis. It was a semi state at one point held a third of Syria and 40% of Iraq. A coalition bombed all weapons and logistics hubs, all military vehicles, bombed a good part of the hierarchy, they retook Mosul and Raqqa the two main cities in a ground offensive. Isis lost 95% of its land in one year and then were basically destroyed

Now that it has begun, we can only hope they achieve their objective quickly and as few people as possible die.
What comes after is up to Isreal then. I’m not hopeful.


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[grunt]

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I dont understand why a ceasefire is needed for humanitarian aid going in. Why should that stop them from sending in aid in to the country.

Would you like to drive an aid truck into a country that's being carpet bombed?

[Stairway 2 7]

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Would you like to drive an aid truck into a country that's being carpet bombed?

There's been 25 trucks go through this week. What has held them back is the borders being closed not agencies willing to take them over the border.

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Would you like to drive an aid truck into a country that's being carpet bombed?

Or targeted

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Would you like to drive an aid truck into a country that's being carpet bombed?

Or targeted

[Stairway 2 7]

I think people are putting up posters and sitting with there phone waiting for them to be ripped. No doubt your an idiot for ripping them but entrapment maybe. New Yorkers don't seem happy mind

https://twitter.com/nyscanner/status...35965472199062

[Stairway 2 7]

Chris law was forced from the microphone for saying he has sympathy for both sides and that he backs a two state future. Harsh as he's been very pro Palestine and has called for a ceasefire and hit out at Israel

https://twitter.com/heckle_scot/stat...20455700857310

[Keith_M]

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Chris law was forced from the microphone for saying he has sympathy for both sides and that he backs a two state future. Harsh as he's been very pro Palestine and has called for a ceasefire and hit out at Israel

https://twitter.com/heckle_scot/stat...20455700857310

That's the problem when extremists are involved. They don't to want hear reasoned arguments.

[Callum_62]

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That's the problem when extremists are involved. They don't to want hear reasoned arguments.

Speaking of extremists

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-ha...efire-12996701

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[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/raggedtp/status/171903...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Just Alf]

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https://x.com/raggedtp/status/171903...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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That is horrendous and unfortunately happening all over.

[Stairway 2 7]

Talks are apparently taking place again today in Qatar, hopefully some good comes from them.

Egyptian PM again says he will refuse any refugees even with Israeli pressure as has been suggested. Taking refugees in is a red line he says.

[Ozyhibby]

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Talks are apparently taking place again today in Qatar, hopefully some good comes from them.

Egyptian PM again says he will refuse any refugees even with Israeli pressure as has been suggested. Taking refugees in is a red line he says.

There are understandable reasons to not take refugees in this situation when forcing the Palestinians out of Palestine is the goal.


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There are understandable reasons to not take refugees in this situation when forcing the Palestinians out of Palestine is the goal.


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He said along the lines of he doesn't want terrorism coming to his land after defeating it in the Sinai. Government official said on taking 1 million refugees “Well, I am going to send them to Europe. You care about human rights so much – well, you take them.”

I think he's right Europe should take the burden especially, if the EU nations agree Israel has the right to destroy Hamas, refugees are the consequence of that course

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He said along the lines of he doesn't want terrorism coming to his land after defeating it in the Sinai. Government official said on taking 1 million refugees “Well, I am going to send them to Europe. You care about human rights so much – well, you take them.”

I think he's right Europe should take the burden especially, if the EU nations agree Israel has the right to destroy Hamas, refugees are the consequence of that course

Europe maybe should have taken the burden of finding a homeland in Europe for the Jews in the first place. Make no mistake though, the Egyptians hate the Palestinians as much as the Israelis. The people of Gaza have nowhere to go.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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Europe maybe should have taken the burden of finding a homeland in Europe for the Jews in the first place. Make no mistake though, the Egyptians hate the Palestinians as much as the Israelis. The people of Gaza have nowhere to go.


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About 100 years too late for that. Every right minded person agrees that both Israel and Palestine deserve a free country in that land. Israel should be condemned and sanctioned like Russia if they keep stealing more land though, it obviously won't happen.

[Stairway 2 7]

Iran backed Houthis announce full war on Israel, just what we need

[DaveF]

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Iran backed Houthis announce full war on Israel, just what we need

What does this mean in real terms though? Yemen is miles away from Israel so how does Iran leverage them in any way?

[MKHIBEE]

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Iran backed Houthis announce full war on Israel, just what we need

Where is this covered?

[Stairway 2 7]

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What does this mean in real terms though? Yemen is miles away from Israel so how does Iran leverage them in any way?

Iran completely supplies their army. A drone was just shot down in Israel fired from Yemen. Russia has shown what damage Iranian drones can do

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About 100 years too late for that. Every right minded person agrees that both Israel and Palestine deserve a free country in that land. Israel should be condemned and sanctioned like Russia if they keep stealing more land though, it obviously won't happen.

Isreal should have been sanctioned years ago, as you say, it’s not going to happen anytime

[Stairway 2 7]

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Where is this covered?

Yemens armed forces spokesman long post, but to be honest their official moto has in it "death to America, death to Israel", so its not big news ha

https://twitter.com/army21ye/status/1719340968812425410

In the name of God, the most gracious, the most merciful
God Almighty said (( There is no aggression except against the wrongdoers ))

"We targeted enemy (Israel) positions with ballistic missiles and drones... This is third operation in support of our brothers in #Palestine...We will continue to carry out more qualitative strikes with missiles & drones until #Israeli aggression stops"

[Stairway 2 7]

The absolute destruction of Jabalia, targeted I don't ******g think so

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...73987010982225

[DaveF]

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The absolute destruction of Jabalia, targeted I don't ******g think so

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...73987010982225

Murder of civilians supported by Sunak and Starmer.

[Hibs4185]

Might get slaughtered for this because it’s Piers Morgan but I saw a video of him interviewing a guy who is the son of one of the founders of Hamas.

He resigned from Hamas after seeing what they were doing to Palestine.

He reckons the Palestinians will be out on the streets celebrating it Hamas leaves power.

[MKHIBEE]

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Murder of civilians supported by Sunak and Starmer.

Supported and encouraged. Shameful.

[Just Alf]

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Might get slaughtered for this because it’s Piers Morgan but I saw a video of him interviewing a guy who is the son of one of the founders of Hamas.

He resigned from Hamas after seeing what they were doing to Palestine.

He reckons the Palestinians will be out on the streets celebrating it Hamas leaves power.

Doesn't surprise me to be honest, seen lots of interviews over the years where ordinary Palestinians say they want rid of Hamas once it became clear what their priorities actually were.... only one lot have guns though.