(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Hibs4185]

Surely he’s playing for time so he can get elected then pardon himself?

He had the chance to pardon himself before but knew how the optics would look so pleaded innocence. Now he’s portraying it as a witch hunt which is seeing him leading in the polls.

I must say, I hate him. I hate what he did in Scotland. I think he is an absolute buffoon but there is so many cases against him, it’s hard to not believe it is a bit of a witch hunt.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Surely he’s playing for time so he can get elected then pardon himself?

He had the chance to pardon himself before but knew how the optics would look so pleaded innocence. Now he’s portraying it as a witch hunt which is seeing him leading in the polls.

I must say, I hate him. I hate what he did in Scotland. I think he is an absolute buffoon but there is so many cases against him, it’s hard to not believe it is a bit of a witch hunt.

He is facing charges in Georgia where it’s a mandatory 5 years. He can’t pardon himself from that. And even if Georgia elects a friendly governor, he has no pardon power.
And why do you think it’s a witch hunt? If he’s guilty then he should be prosecuted surely?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Keith_M]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Surely he’s playing for time so he can get elected then pardon himself?

He had the chance to pardon himself before but knew how the optics would look so pleaded innocence. Now he’s portraying it as a witch hunt which is seeing him leading in the polls.

I must say, I hate him. I hate what he did in Scotland. I think he is an absolute buffoon but there is so many cases against him, it’s hard to not believe it is a bit of a witch hunt.

Or he's facing so many charges because he's committed so many serious crimes?

[neil7908]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Or he's facing so many charges because he's committed so many serious crimes?

This. From everything I've seen the evidence against him is overwhelming.

It was an absolute disgrace that Nixon got away with numerous criminal acts simply because he was President. That cannot be allowed to happen again, especially when Trump has literally tried to stage a coup and illegally take over the country.

[Hibs4185]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

He is facing charges in Georgia where it’s a mandatory 5 years. He can’t pardon himself from that. And even if Georgia elects a friendly governor, he has no pardon power.
And why do you think it’s a witch hunt? If he’s guilty then he should be prosecuted surely?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

As far as I am concerned he is a lunatic and he will be found guilty of many of the charges.

I hate that he has abused his ‘status’ to get planning for his golf courses in Scotland shafted us.

I hope he rots in jail.

But…things like over inflating his wealth to get loans etc. I’m sure many do that. If he defaulted on a loan and the bank investigated and he was found to have given false statements then yes I can understand the charges.

But no one is bringing a case against him apart from the state.

I think it would be better to have 3-4 absolutely solid cases against him and nail him. Instead you have so many cases that it gives his supporters a cause to fight against.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

As far as I am concerned he is a lunatic and he will be found guilty of many of the charges.

I hate that he has abused his ‘status’ to get planning for his golf courses in Scotland shafted us.

I hope he rots in jail.

But…things like over inflating his wealth to get loans etc. I’m sure many do that. If he defaulted on a loan and the bank investigated and he was found to have given false statements then yes I can understand the charges.

But no one is bringing a case against him apart from the state.

I think it would be better to have 3-4 absolutely solid cases against him and nail him. Instead you have so many cases that it gives his supporters a cause to fight against.

The state is bringing charges because he undervalued his properties for the purpose of paying less tax on them as well.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Keith_M]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

...

But…things like over inflating his wealth to get loans etc. I’m sure many do that. If he defaulted on a loan and the bank investigated and he was found to have given false statements then yes I can understand the charges..

In essence, Trump (allegedly) violated state fraud laws, and made a massive amount of money in doing so.

Anybody else that did this would also be subject to prosecution.

[Bristolhibby]

I just wish they’d hurry up and get him to trial. Put him to be d for good.

That said, isn’t there something bizarre that a serving felon although cannot vote but can run for President?

J

[Kato]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I just wish they’d hurry up and get him to trial. Put him to be d for good.

That said, isn’t there something bizarre that a serving felon although cannot vote but can run for President?

J

American politics is bizarre shock!

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[Oscar T Grouch]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I just wish they’d hurry up and get him to trial. Put him to be d for good.

That said, isn’t there something bizarre that a serving felon although cannot vote but can run for President?

J

That may be about to change, there's a case against him in Colorado (yeah it is hard to keep up with them all!), that has just moved forward significantly. This case refers to a section of the 14th Amendment which states anyone involved in an insurrection or rebellion, or who gives aid or comfort to those who carry out an insurrection, cannot run for president. He has moved to dismiss twice now and the judge has just chucked out the second movement to dismiss which should mean this will now move to trial, his first application to dismiss was based on the 1st amendment and that was chucked out last week, that was more likely to succeed. The 2nd motion to dismiss was based on the 'fact' that the presidential oath doesn't require the President to 'support' the constitution but to 'protect and defend' it, which his legal team says it means he is not under any obligation to follow the constitution. Which is mental and never likely to succeed. If this goes against him at trial, he will not be able to run for President in 2024.

As others have said it certainly looks like he is riding the wave of indictments, pushing them as far up the court circuit system as he can so he can try and become president again, where he would pardon himself, this of course works for federal law breaking, Trump's problem is most of his indictments are state led indictments. There are a few saying that he would force through new laws to allow him to pardon himself at state level too but lets be clear, if he wins a second term the laws and constitution of the USA will become pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

[McD]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

That may be about to change, there's a case against him in Colorado (yeah it is hard to keep up with them all!), that has just moved forward significantly. This case refers to a section of the 14th Amendment which states anyone involved in an insurrection or rebellion, or who gives aid or comfort to those who carry out an insurrection, cannot run for president. He has moved to dismiss twice now and the judge has just chucked out the second movement to dismiss which should mean this will now move to trial, his first application to dismiss was based on the 1st amendment and that was chucked out last week, that was more likely to succeed. The 2nd motion to dismiss was based on the 'fact' that the presidential oath doesn't require the President to 'support' the constitution but to 'protect and defend' it, which his legal team says it means he is not under any obligation to follow the constitution. Which is mental and never likely to succeed. If this goes against him at trial, he will not be able to run for President in 2024.

As others have said it certainly looks like he is riding the wave of indictments, pushing them as far up the court circuit system as he can so he can try and become president again, where he would pardon himself, this of course works for federal law breaking, Trump's problem is most of his indictments are state led indictments. There are a few saying that he would force through new laws to allow him to pardon himself at state level too but lets be clear, if he wins a second term the laws and constitution of the USA will become pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

The second motion to dismiss could be interpreted as an admission of guilt, just that the law doesn’t apply. Now that the motion has been dismissed, you wonder where it leaves his acceptance of what he did. A but like someone saying they shouldn’t pay a parking ticket because they don’t need to adhere to double yellows, then when that fails, they’ve essentially said they were parked on the lines.

[Oscar T Grouch]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The second motion to dismiss could be interpreted as an admission of guilt, just that the law doesn’t apply. Now that the motion has been dismissed, you wonder where it leaves his acceptance of what he did. A but like someone saying they shouldn’t pay a parking ticket because they don’t need to adhere to double yellows, then when that fails, they’ve essentially said they were parked on the lines.

His acceptance will never be forthcoming, that comes from his narcissism, he can do not wrong in his own eyes, even if it is clear as day to everyone else, I believe Trump will still think it is a stitch up when everything goes breasts skywards. The fact is his lawyers are no longer 'top' lawyers, they are pretty low grade, he has gone downhill since he employed Sidney Powell who is likely to be disbarred in the coming months. So almost everything he will try from now on will be outlandish to say the least! The fact his lawyers actually had to write down the phrase "the presidential oath doesn't require the President to 'support' the constitution but to 'protect and defend' it" and submit it to a judge tells you almost everything you need to know about what level lawyers the man is down to now, his propensity to not pay lawyers is well known and will usually relieve you of not just the top layer of lawyers but the majority of them immediately and the rest will want payment up front will hinder all his dealing in court. It would all be really funny if there was not so much riding on it all.

[s.a.m]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

His acceptance will never be forthcoming, that comes from his narcissism, he can do not wrong in his own eyes, even if it is clear as day to everyone else, I believe Trump will still think it is a stitch up when everything goes breasts skywards. The fact is his lawyers are no longer 'top' lawyers, they are pretty low grade, he has gone downhill since he employed Sidney Powell who is likely to be disbarred in the coming months. So almost everything he will try from now on will be outlandish to say the least! The fact his lawyers actually had to write down the phrase "the presidential oath doesn't require the President to 'support' the constitution but to 'protect and defend' it" and submit it to a judge tells you almost everything you need to know about what level lawyers the man is down to now, his propensity to not pay lawyers is well known and will usually relieve you of not just the top layer of lawyers but the majority of them immediately and the rest will want payment up front will hinder all his dealing in court. It would all be really funny if there was not so much riding on it all.

Jenna Ellis has plead guilty too, this morning in Georgia, and she was a holdout. So that's 3 of them. He's a bit of a one-man graveyard for lawyers' careers.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Jenna Ellis has plead guilty too, this morning in Georgia, and she was a holdout. So that's 3 of them. He's a bit of a one-man graveyard for lawyers' careers.

I personally don’t think he even makes it to the start line in a run for the White House. I think his legal problems will engulf him pretty soon. Money problems will follow. I think by the time the new President is being sworn in, Trumps empire will have collapsed and he will be going to jail along with his kids and cronies.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Jenna Ellis has plead guilty too, this morning in Georgia, and she was a holdout. So that's 3 of them. He's a bit of a one-man graveyard for lawyers' careers.

https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

I’ve no time for that level of stupidity.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[s.a.m]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I personally don’t think he even makes it to the start line in a run for the White House. I think his legal problems will engulf him pretty soon. Money problems will follow. I think by the time the new President is being sworn in, Trumps empire will have collapsed and he will be going to jail along with his kids and cronies.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You would hope, but his supporters seem to be living in a kind of alternative truth / don't care about the truth universe, and they - or certainly some of them - will deny obvious truths, or make them fit their mindset. It's faith based, and there's no arguing or persuading that can counter their nonsense.

[grunt]

He's completely brilliant.

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1716547648658850017?s=20

[J-C]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

He's completely brilliant.

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1716547648658850017?s=20

**** me he's a real crackpot, it's hard to believe someone that stupid can become US President.

[Hibrandenburg]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

**** me he's a real crackpot, it's hard to believe someone that stupid can become US President.

Which poses the question, how stupid do you have to be to think he's intelligent? I keep hearing that the electorate aren't stupid, but I beg to differ.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Which poses the question, how stupid do you have to be to think he's intelligent? I keep hearing that the electorate aren't stupid, but I beg to differ.

https://youtu.be/abRbTy2QVjU?si=ZSAxIi56AmwZusKm

https://youtu.be/O52jNGu9BpA?si=dYLPeDxeBzLSJ_mk

Have fun.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Hibrandenburg]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

https://youtu.be/abRbTy2QVjU?si=ZSAxIi56AmwZusKm

https://youtu.be/O52jNGu9BpA?si=dYLPeDxeBzLSJ_mk

Have fun.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It would be funny if we in the UK were different.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It would be funny if we in the UK were different.

True. 1 in 5 Scots will vote Tory at the next election despite everything they have done the last 13 years.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[neil7908]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Which poses the question, how stupid do you have to be to think he's intelligent? I keep hearing that the electorate aren't stupid, but I beg to differ.

Yeah, I've seen enough of the electorate in the UK and US over the last decade to make it clear to me that massive chunks of the population barely have a brain cell between them.

Over here, after the 13 years of disastrous Tory rule they are still polling around 27%. I think many voters are a dangerous mix of stupid, arrogant and unwilling to reflect and admit they have made mistakes.

And I'm tired of being told we need to listen to them. We've listened and been forced to follow them with Brexit here and Trump in the US. And guess what? They were the complete and utter **** shows every sensible person predicted. I'm done listening to these morons or respecting them.

Trump is a moron, racist, fascist, rapist who can barely string a sentence together. If you vote for him you are trash.

[neil7908]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

True. 1 in 5 Scots will vote Tory at the next election despite everything they have done the last 13 years.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree completely with your point but just a correction that 1 in 5 voters will back the Tories in Scotland but not 1 in 5 Scots. Given how low turn out is that is a huge difference between those numbers.

[grunt]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Over here, after the 13 years of disastrous Tory rule they are still polling around 27%. I think many voters are a dangerous mix of stupid, arrogant and unwilling to reflect and admit they have made mistakes.

Off topic I know, but I think we need to recognise that there is a not insubstantial section of the electorate who actually like what the Tories are doing.

[lapsedhibee]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Off topic I know, but I think we need to recognise that there is a not insubstantial section of the electorate who actually like what the Tories are doing.

And another section who would like what the Tories are doing if they did it all a bit more brutally/cruelly.

[Kato]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

True. 1 in 5 Scots will vote Tory at the next election despite everything they have done the last 13 years.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Because of, not despite.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[Hibrandenburg]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Off topic I know, but I think we need to recognise that there is a not insubstantial section of the electorate who actually like what the Tories are doing.

Again stupid, they like what the Tories are doing because they've swallowed the whole culture war **** hook, line and sinker.

[s.a.m]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Jenna Ellis has plead guilty too, this morning in Georgia, and she was a holdout. So that's 3 of them. He's a bit of a one-man graveyard for lawyers' careers.

And Mark Meadows has flipped now. He's been granted immunity, and has testified that he warned Trump that the election wasn't stolen. [Having said in his book that it was... ]

[Stairway 2 7]

It can be a dangerous game if they focus on him being stupid. A lot of pollsters and commentators reckon the constant focus on George Bush Jr being stupid lost them the tight election.

All democrat papers and adds just kept on going after gwb being daft. Republicans would answer in polls yeah we get that but he seems honest or tough on crime or whatever. Democrats would come back and say yes but look how stupid he is. Many swing voters thought it was middle class sneering and looking down.

We probably get the same with brexit. The less educated on average and the lower your household income the more likely you were to vote for brexit. 60% of households earning under 20k voted brexit 35% of over 60k.

It's easy to call them stupid, I prefer to think better of them and say they were manipulated and lied to by a very well oiled machine.