Hamas attack on Israel

[Jones28]

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Some good news as two hostages to be released.
If Hamas can start slowly releasing the hostages every few days it will stall any ground invasion. Cynical but will save a lot of lives as well.

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2 Americans…the day after Bidens visit…money might have done some talking here.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/ForensicArchi/st...zWvKx6DKw&s=19

Interesting new analysis of the hospital explosion.

[lapsedhibee]

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https://twitter.com/ForensicArchi/st...zWvKx6DKw&s=19

Interesting new analysis of the hospital explosion.

This was on Ch4 News this evening. Very interesting.

[cabbageandribs1875]

what a very powerful speech from Matt Carthy of Sinn Fein https://www.facebook.com/MattCarthyS...K-AN_GK0T-GK1C

[Stairway 2 7]

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https://twitter.com/ForensicArchi/st...zWvKx6DKw&s=19

Interesting new analysis of the hospital explosion.

They aren't impartial unfortunately they are part of al has based in Palestine it's pretty obvious from the report saying the Isreali occupying forces and concluding " we... reaffirm our solidarity with Palestinian people under attack, including our friends & colleagues"

Doesn't mean they aren't fair and I do like a lot of their work in finding Isreali crimes. But from what I'm reading on bellingcats reddit forum they have just dismissed looking at a falling rocket( that was filmed falling above at the same time) and looked for another a possibility. They say both artillery shell in their report, which doesn't explain the massive fireball. The picture they used of a 155 crater in Kharkiv to do there comparison if a mortar shell apparently. If it was a single 155 shell like they suggest only dozens would be dead, which could be I suppose

The main finding is it came from the east not west where the failed rocket took off, but I've seen this article shared in response that videos show the failed rocket did a u turn.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/18/gaza-rocket-hospital-blast-vpx.cnn

It could be Isreali hit with something small just as the rocket was falling. I'm not sure why Isreali would shoot one random artillery shell for though

France military intelligence has just come out and said the opposite to forensic architecture and that it was from 5kg of explosive, rules out Isreali artillery which is more than 10kg. They say most likely the failed rocket

https://www.barrons.com/news/french-military-intel-says-no-indication-gaza-hospital-blast-was-israeli-strike-946e673e


In undeniable facts isreal missed there target today, a military office. They narrowly missed an 800 year old church but destroyed a church outbuilding and killed 20 people hiding inside including 8 children
https://twitter.com/ChiefTrumpster/status/1715460482252095690

[Stairway 2 7]

European military show more analysis on why they think it was the rocket misfire
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-e...ilitary-source

AFP this morning going with misfired rocket from data analysis
https://apnews.com/article/israel-pa...source=Twitter

Osints and military in the comments pointing out what I said, the image forensic architecture used to compare the crater wasn't from a 155 shell it was a Russian small rocket.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...62790805479663


Dozens saying rocket only al jazera and forensic architecture saying not rocket. The debate could have been ended hours after the hit though. Hamas by witness accounts took away the wreckage in the hours after. They just show what it is and that's it over, most of it will be there.

In an hour after the Ukrainian strike on the airfield that destroyed 20 helicopters this week, Russian showed the wreckage to prove America had infact sent ATACMS. Ukraine has done the same dozens of times they've shown destroyed Iranian drones and north Korean 155 shells.

Hamas can end the debate and just show the remains

[MKHIBEE]

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what a very powerful speech from Matt Carthy of Sinn Fein https://www.facebook.com/MattCarthyS...K-AN_GK0T-GK1C

If you were to listen to the commentators on the western media you could be forgiven for thinking that the Israeli- Palestinian conflict only began when Hamas attacked Israel on the 7th of October.
Fair play to Matt Carthy for his speech

[DaveF]

Meanwhile, Israel does what Israel does in the West Bank and everyone looks the other way.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67173344

[Keith_M]

‘The most successful land-grab strategy since 1967’ as settlers push Bedouins off West Bank territory

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/the-most-successful-land-grab-strategy-since-1967-as-settlers-push-bedouins-off-west-bank-territory


"The tiny settlement overlooking the Bedouin village of Ein Rashash is named “Angels of Peace”, but, says Sliman al-Zawahri, its residents have visited only violence, fear and despair on his family.

This week the Bedouin community packed up most of their belongings and drove all the women, children and elderly people from the West Bank ridge they had called home for nearly four decades, perched above a spring and beside an archaeological site.

“They didn’t leave us air to breathe,” said Zawahri, 52, describing a months-long campaign of violence and intimidation that intensified in the last two weeks. First villagers were barred from grazing lands, and the spring, then violence reached their homes.

“They came into the village and destroyed houses and sheep pens, beat an 85-year-old man, scared our children. Slowly our lives became unlivable.”
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This was not an individual tragedy. Men from Angels of Peace are part of a broad, violent and very successful political project to expand Israeli control of the West Bank that has accelerated, say activists, since the 7 October attacks by Hamas launched a war with Israel."

[Stairway 2 7]

20 aid trucks get through the Egyptian border. Not sure why it's getting so much press surely it's a plaster on a gunshot wound

[Keith_M]

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20 aid trucks get through the Egyptian border. Not sure why it's getting so much press surely it's a plaster on a gunshot wound

The politicians held a press conference in front of the border gate.

I think it's just one of those pointless 'look at me' moments.

[Hibs4185]

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https://twitter.com/ForensicArchi/st...zWvKx6DKw&s=19

Interesting new analysis of the hospital explosion.

Just read this and in no way is this interesting. I’ve never heard of them but from the first few words you know which side they are supporting.

[Ozyhibby]

I’ve no interest in who hit the hospital as it was an accident either way. Best to focus on how to stop people firing missiles altogether.


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[Hibs4185]

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I’ve no interest in who hit the hospital as it was an accident either way. Best to focus on how to stop people firing missiles altogether.


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Funnily enough I was never bothered about Putin’s threats of WWW3 and all the escalation stuff but this crisis does.

Putin is stoking it all with Iran. Helps Russia and Putin in Ukraine and gives all the ‘hate the west’ extremists a chance to rise up.

Sooner there is a ceasefire the better for everyone

[Ozyhibby]

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Funnily enough I was never bothered about Putin’s threats of WWW3 and all the escalation stuff but this crisis does.

Putin is stoking it all with Iran. Helps Russia and Putin in Ukraine and gives all the ‘hate the west’ extremists a chance to rise up.

Sooner there is a ceasefire the better for everyone

I don’t think a third country will get involved here. Nobody has the military capable.


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[Hibs4185]

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I don’t think a third country will get involved here. Nobody has the military capable.


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I can see hezbollah getting involved from the north and Putin pushing Iran to arm its supporters like the Houthi rebels etc.

The biggest escalation would be a direct confrontation between Iran and Israel.

[Ozyhibby]

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I can see hezbollah getting involved from the north and Putin pushing Iran to arm its supporters like the Houthi rebels etc.

The biggest escalation would be a direct confrontation between Iran and Israel.

I don’t think they will. They might exchange a bit of fire over the border but nothing that can’t easily be dealt with.
And I think the last thing Iran wants is to take on Isreal. The domestic situation there is delicate as it is. And they are too far away to do anything meaningful.


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[MKHIBEE]

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Just read this and in no way is this interesting. I’ve never heard of them but from the first few words you know which side they are supporting.

so you are only interested if they support the “ right” side?

[Just Alf]

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so you are only interested if they support the “ right” side?

I read it as preferring independent sources.

[marinello59]

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I read it as preferring independent sources.

Me too.

[neil7908]

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I don’t think they will. They might exchange a bit of fire over the border but nothing that can’t easily be dealt with.
And I think the last thing Iran wants is to take on Isreal. The domestic situation there is delicate as it is. And they are too far away to do anything meaningful.


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Yup. If anyone wanted to join the fighting in a serious capacity they have had ample chances to do so.

Countries in the middle East are talk a great game when it comes to Palestine but have done next to nothing in practice to change the status quo.

[Hibs4185]

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I read it as preferring independent sources.

Thanks, that’s what I meant.

[Stairway 2 7]

A section of Gaza flattened yesterday if you think this is fair retribution for Hamas horrors then your an idiot, so many innocents gone

https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/stat...34574528250090

[MKHIBEE]

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A section of Gaza flattened yesterday if you think this is fair retribution for Hamas horrors then your an idiot, so many innocents gone

https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/stat...34574528250090

Unfortunately the actions of Hamas gave Israel the excuse it was looking for to eradicate the Palestinian presence in the Gaza Strip. That is their goal, and no one seems prepared to do anything about it. The world should be ashamed of itself.

[Stairway 2 7]

Pretty sad that antisemits can't separate Jews from the evil Isreali government.

After a synagogue in Berlin was firebombed the holocaust memorial in Berlin is getting barriers put up to protect it from today's protest
https://twitter.com/MKuefner/status/1714970496171737333

Jewish synagogue leader murdered in Detroit, a historic synagogue in Tunisia was burnt to the ground, "killing Jews is a duty” spray painted outside a Jewish center in Carssonne in France, synagogue in Vienna was vandalised

In Barcelona a Jewish owned hotel was targeted at the Palestinian march. They ripped down the flag polls with different flags and put up Palestinian flags banners and blocked the entrance
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1715994170265907521

80 years after Jews were told to display stars on their clothes German integration commissioner Güner Balci recommend jews not displaying their faith for their protection.

How did we get back here
https://archive.ph/LtRbC
The Times
The Star of David has been spray-painted on several buildings housing Jewish people in Berlin amid a wave of antisemitic and anti-Israel incidents across Germany.

[Ozyhibby]

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Pretty sad that antisemits can't separate Jews from the evil Isreali government.

After a synagogue in Berlin was firebombed the holocaust memorial in Berlin is getting barriers put up to protect it from today's protest
https://twitter.com/MKuefner/status/1714970496171737333

Jewish synagogue leader murdered in Detroit, a historic synagogue in Tunisia was burnt to the ground, "killing Jews is a duty” spray painted outside a Jewish center in Carssonne in France, synagogue in Vienna was vandalised

In Barcelona a Jewish owned hotel was targeted at the Palestinian march. They ripped down the flag polls with different flags and put up Palestinian flags banners and blocked the entrance
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1715994170265907521

80 years after Jews were told to display stars on their clothes German integration commissioner Güner Balci recommend jews not displaying their faith for their protection.

How did we get back here
https://archive.ph/LtRbC
The Times
The Star of David has been spray-painted on several buildings housing Jewish people in Berlin amid a wave of antisemitic and anti-Israel incidents across Germany.

I’ve never understood that part of peoples brains. They complain about collective punishment of Palestinians (correctly) then practise the same thing on Jewish people.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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I’ve never understood that part of peoples brains. They complain about collective punishment of Palestinians (correctly) then practise the same thing on Jewish people.


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I think the one thing that binds us (from tribes in the amazon killing each other to here in the UK adults who were spitting and shouting at catholic kids going to school) is being horrible to people who are just like ourselves.

[Hibs4185]

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so you are only interested if they support the “ right” side?

Balanced opinions with evidence from OSINT

https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1716113399728218618

[Stairway 2 7]

Who knew that terrorists are liars. Hamas says the Isreali rocket that hit the hospital car park devolved like salt in water. Munitions experts are today saying that is nonsense and the wreckage was removed. CNN and wall street journal come out and say their analysts confirm a misfired Hamas rocket.

This is on the media, BBC should be infront of OFCOM and leaders that reported it without proof should apologise.

It's a not needed deflection opportunity for Isreal. The focus should be on the hundreds of Isreali bombs that are causing the deaths of thousands in Gaza



Ny times
https://archive.ph/FUUtq

“The missile has dissolved like salt in the water,” said Ghazi Hamad, a senior Hamas official, in a phone interview. “It’s vaporized. Nothing is left.”
Salama Maroof, the head of the Hamas-run government media office, said in a text message: “Who says we’re obligated to present the remnants of every rocket that kills our people? In general, you can come and research and confirm for yourself from the evidence we possess.”

[superfurryhibby]

Twitter-what a scary place.

There seems to be a trend in the USA around putting up notices in public places, then seemingly waiting for people to remove them, film them doing so, post said film on twatter then accuse them of being Nazis and the like. Then they are being named, place of work identified and contacted, jobs being lost etc.

What do notices about kidnapped Israelis in urban United States achieve to begin with?

The cynic in me says it's almost like this is entrapment, being done to fuel the propaganda war that sits alongside the actual conflict.

I guess we should all be careful what we post on social media, thinking about the absolute flood of pro-Israel pish that is filtering into my FB account and the like