Hamas attack on Israel

[Jones28]

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They’re turning the water off too.

What a ****ing mess.

[WhileTheChief..]

Gaza could end up looking like Mariupol.

Frightening times ahead and can only see this spreading throughout the wider region.

[Ozyhibby]

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...which begs the question.... "how did one of the most militarised countries on the planet, with one of the most highly-evolved intelligence networks, not see it coming?".

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It suited them to blank it out.


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[superfurryhibby]

Listened to the Israeli Defence Force spokesman being interviewed on Radio Scotland. He is pledging destruction in Gaza, no compromises.

Disgusting interview, the BBC guy was so passive and failed to challenge some of the statements being made, which were utterly horrific.

[Pretty Boy]

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It suited them to blank it out.


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I don't think anyone could really argue that this doesn't play well politically for the ultra nationalist, ultra Zionist factions within Israeli politics.

As many will know there have been sustained anti government protests in recent months that have seen hundreds of thousands take to the streets in protest at 'reforms' that dilute the independent judiciary and hand power to the governing part who happen to have lurched to the right on a ticket of right wing populism, nationalism, zionism and, in campaigning during the run up to the last election, overt and extreme anti Arab rhetoric.

I'm not sure I would argue the Israeli government and security forces let this happen, I think it's entirely possible they have taken their eye off the ball when fighting their own internal wars as mentioned by others above. I think only a fool would argue that it isn't going to be used to justify quicker and harder 'reforms' though with those opposing such legislation being branded as traitors or sympathisers.

There is going to be a continuing huge human tragedy with the biggest victims, as always, being innocent Israeli and Palestinian civilians.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Listened to the Israeli Defence Force spokesman being interviewed on Radio Scotland. He is pledging destruction in Gaza, no compromises.

Disgusting interview, the BBC guy was so passive and failed to challenge some of the statements being made, which were utterly horrific.

"We're fighting against human animals". Might as well call the Palestinians Untermenschen. Horrible dialogue.

[Ozyhibby]

Thank goodness for channel 4 news on just now. A balanced report.


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[Green Reaper]

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Thank goodness for channel 4 news on just now. A balanced report.


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Been watching on Al Jezeera, which is also good

[Keith_M]

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I think that applies to both sides.


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Already hundreds dead in Palestine from Israeli revenge attacks. Hamas would know that would be the response but neither side really care.

[Stairway 2 7]

Hamas spokesman says one of the 150 hostages will be executed every time a home in gaza is hit without prior warning. They say they will release the audio and video.

Netanyahu on news now talking mince mostly but saying they will quickly finish Hamas.

Think Hamas is being used by Iran and Qatar. They had no chance and its poor Palestinians that will suffer most

[tamig]

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Gaza could end up looking like Mariupol.

Frightening times ahead and can only see this spreading throughout the wider region.

There’s not a chance of that happening. There are over 2 million souls in Gaza. If Israel start flattening the whole place the rest of the world won’t stand idly by and let that happen. Not a chance.

[Stairway 2 7]

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There’s not a chance of that happening. There are over 2 million souls in Gaza. If Israel start flattening the whole place the rest of the world won’t stand idly by and let that happen. Not a chance.

Assad and Russia flattened Aleppo, population 2 million, people did nothing. Mariupol had a pop of 500k. Nations sadly regularly do nothing

[Ozyhibby]

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Assad and Russia flattened Aleppo, population 2 million, people did nothing. Mariupol had a pop of 500k. Nations sadly regularly do nothing

Isreal would love nothing more than to force all two million of them into Egypt. They wouldn’t be allowed back.


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[H18 SFR]

Hamas spokesperson on the news they’re denying any women or children have been killed or taken hostage.

Notwithstanding the wider complexity of the relationship between both sides, Hamas seem a bit deluded.

[neil7908]

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There’s not a chance of that happening. There are over 2 million souls in Gaza. If Israel start flattening the whole place the rest of the world won’t stand idly by and let that happen. Not a chance.

I mean, they've been bombing it for years without any condemnation from the Western world. I don't think they will literally flatten the whole of Gaza but they are already cutting off electricity and water, which is a war crime, and there has been zero push back.

[tamig]

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I mean, they've been bombing it for years without any condemnation from the Western world. I don't think they will literally flatten the whole of Gaza but they are already cutting off electricity and water, which is a war crime, and there has been zero push back.

The UN secretary general used some strong words earlier. My original reply was responding to a comment that it could turn into another Mariupol but I really can’t see that happening. I also think the UN will intervene with aid pretty quickly along with other agencies.

[Bostonhibby]

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It is, but the wrath of the Israelis, as always, will primarily be borne by those Palestinians who are most vulnerable, especially children. Internal politics is at play here, as Hamas wants to demonstrate it isn’t lying down to Israel, but, at the same time they know that Israeli reprisals will be enormous and thousands of innocent people will die.

I have great sympathy for Palestinian independence, and it isn’t for me to take the moral high ground in relation to an illegally occupied and besieged people, but this will end badly for all, particularly innocent Palestinians. Will any perceived gains be worth the cost of so many lives, both Palestinian and Israeli? What a terrible scenario once again. It all seems so futile.

This is how I feel as well, Netanyahuh won't miss the chance to go over the top. Won't end well for innocents on either side but when do wars ever?



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[Hibrandenburg]

Tactically the attacks on Israel make little sense. I can't help but think there's more to this than we're seeing just now.

I'm thinking along the lines of the Iranians having supplied Hamas with tank busting drones or similar and Hamas trying to provoke Israel into an armoured attack so that they can give the Israeli military a bloody nose.

[Ozyhibby]

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Tactically the attacks on Israel make little sense. I can't help but think there's more to this than we're seeing just now.

I'm thinking along the lines of the Iranians having supplied Hamas with tank busting drones or similar and Hamas trying to provoke Israel into an armoured attack so that they can give the Israeli military a bloody nose.

Nothing about the last 100 years there makes sense. And nobody ever seems to miss an opportunity to make the wrong decision. Morally or tactically.


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[Baader]

Interesting article from Barney Ronay about it and football's relationship with Arab states.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...s-saudi-arabia

[tamig]

Ashkelon now under attack after Hamas ordered civilians to evacuate before 5pm local time.

[BigKev]

My cousin stays or rather stayed in Kibbutz Beeri and she was lucky enough to have a lockable safe room when the fighting started on Saturday.

She’s told us of her best friend and her two young kids literally being shot dead on their doorstep amongst another 150 casualties in just her kibbutz alone.

Her eldest son is 25 and he managed to hide under a bed in his own home but it took six hours for the IDF to secure the compound and set him free. He’ll now be enlisted and hellbent on revenge.

Thankfully my cousin been moved to a guarded hotel alongside the rest of the survivors but the psychological effects of what she’s seen will live with her forever.

[JimBHibees]

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My cousin stays or rather stayed in Kibbutz Beeri and she was lucky enough to have a lockable safe room when the fighting started on Saturday.

She’s told us of her best friend and her two young kids literally being shot dead on their doorstep amongst another 150 casualties in just her kibbutz alone.

Her eldest son is 25 and he managed to hide under a bed in his own home but it took six hours for the IDF to secure the compound and set him free. He’ll now be enlisted and hellbent on revenge.

Thankfully my cousin been moved to a guarded hotel alongside the rest of the survivors but the psychological effects of what she’s seen will live with her forever.

Wow that is absolutely horrifying.

[Ozyhibby]

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My cousin stays or rather stayed in Kibbutz Beeri and she was lucky enough to have a lockable safe room when the fighting started on Saturday.

She’s told us of her best friend and her two young kids literally being shot dead on their doorstep amongst another 150 casualties in just her kibbutz alone.

Her eldest son is 25 and he managed to hide under a bed in his own home but it took six hours for the IDF to secure the compound and set him free. He’ll now be enlisted and hellbent on revenge.

Thankfully my cousin been moved to a guarded hotel alongside the rest of the survivors but the psychological effects of what she’s seen will live with her forever.

The attack by Hamas was absolutely horrifying. I struggle to understand how people can do that to each other. Eventually peace will be found but it won’t be for a while yet. Neither side is ready for it.


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[Keith_M]

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My cousin stays or rather stayed in Kibbutz Beeri and she was lucky enough to have a lockable safe room when the fighting started on Saturday.

She’s told us of her best friend and her two young kids literally being shot dead on their doorstep amongst another 150 casualties in just her kibbutz alone.

Her eldest son is 25 and he managed to hide under a bed in his own home but it took six hours for the IDF to secure the compound and set him free. He’ll now be enlisted and hellbent on revenge.

Thankfully my cousin been moved to a guarded hotel alongside the rest of the survivors but the psychological effects of what she’s seen will live with her forever.

That's awful, mate. There must be loads of people experiencing similar and it's just tragic.

[Hibbyradge]

Horrific pictures on the BBC news tonight.

Videos of children and babies being kidnapped.

Tragic.

[Stairway 2 7]

The five person Scottish Parliament Corporate Body rejected a request to either fly an isreal flag or lower flags to half mast. They have done similar for Paris, Nice, Bruges, Westminster ect.

10 Britain's dead and 1000 others including 200 at a rave. Shame how contentious the subject is that you can't seem to support one without disrespecting the other.

[Stairway 2 7]

Blinken is going to travel to Isreal to give US support. What support do they need to beat a barely militarised army. 1000 bombs have brutally destroyed large sections of the strip. Iron dome has destroyed 90%+ of the 4500 rockets fired at Israel from gaza and Lebanon. They have a huge army and air force ready. Surely all the US should influence is Israel not going destroying more than that they can justify, I doubt they would be able to though

[Ozyhibby]

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Blinken is going to travel to Isreal to give US support. What support do they need to beat a barely militarised army. 1000 bombs have brutally destroyed large sections of the strip. Iron dome has destroyed 90%+ of the 4500 rockets fired at Israel from gaza and Lebanon. They have a huge army and air force ready. Surely all the US should influence is Israel not going destroying more than that they can justify, I doubt they would be able to though

Israeli army is very stretched just now. 70% of them are in the West Bank dealing with uprising there. US may provide back up if Hezbollah open up another front in Lebanon.


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Religion has a lot to answer for.