Tavares

[Unseen work]

Just getting round to watching the game now, did Tavares play on the right the entire time he was on?

To me he is far more suited to the left and cutting in

[richard_pitts]

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It does strike me that Rocky and Jair are given a hard time. Almost like folks are waiting to pounce. Sincerely hope that there’s no joining the dots and some prejudices have been at work.

Russell Latapy is rightly a legend in these here parts.

[BoomtownHibees]

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Just getting round to watching the game now, did Tavares play on the right the entire time he was on?

To me he is far more suited to the left and cutting in

Him and Boyle switched a few times throughout the time he was on.

On your 2nd point, what have you seen of him to form that opinion?

[patlowe]

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Only thing that’s ridiculous are people thinking he played well today, baffling. Drifted about most of the first half out of position, not showing as an option for Miller when in possession, looks lightweight and too easily brushed off the ball.

Should’ve been hooked at half time. NM clearly hoped he’d improve start of second half, but didn’t and he was subsequently replaced by Youan who was noticeably an instant improvement.

This. Floated around, never really offered, no intensity in his defensive work. Basically a man down and I was concerned it was going to cost us before he was subbed. The only mitigation is the lack of game time and perhaps nerves or lack of confidence. But I just don't think he's going to make it with us and I wouldn't personally gamble with playing him anymore.

[Keepthefaith]

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This. Floated around, never really offered, no intensity in his defensive work. Basically a man down and I was concerned it was going to cost us before he was subbed. The only mitigation is the lack of game time and perhaps nerves or lack of confidence. But I just don't think he's going to make it with us and I wouldn't personally gamble with playing him anymore.

But he didn't float around, imo I think you're being really unfair on him. A number of times he made great runs but wasn't found and he had a decent attempt on goal. he got himself space too and I do think he tried to close down. Sure he got knocked off the ball too easily, I'd agree that's an area he needs to improve on for sure.

But to criticise him in the way you have for me sees that you were selectively seeing what you wanted

[patlowe]

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But he didn't float around, imo I think you're being really unfair on him. A number of times he made great runs but wasn't found and he had a decent attempt on goal. he got himself space too and I do think he tried to close down. Sure he got knocked off the ball too easily, I'd agree that's an area he needs to improve on for sure.

But to criticise him in the way you have for me sees that you were selectively seeing what you wanted

Honestly, I want the best of all Hibs players and have no reason to wish ill of Tavares. I understand folk sticking up for him - we all want our signings to be a success. But I don't think I'm being unfair to say he was lost out there yesterday and the fact he was subbed so early probably tells the story.

[EdinMike]

For someone who was shunned and hasn’t played in a year, he’s gonna be rusty. I’m in the camp of give him a few games, he’ll maybe need to get up to speed.

Anyway I support our management who see the players more often than we do.

[Wilson]

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Honestly, I want the best of all Hibs players and have no reason to wish ill of Tavares. I understand folk sticking up for him - we all want our signings to be a success. But I don't think I'm being unfair to say he was lost out there yesterday and the fact he was subbed so early probably tells the story.

It doesn't tell any story. He got a start. The plan was probably to sub him in the second half. The when is up to Monty. Tavares played 59 minutes. Hanlon and Doidge got 9 each. Tell a story with that. Or don't because it'll just be more nonsense.

[Hibs1969]

My Tuppence worth. I reckon there’s a player in there but I thought yesterday we saw a lad short of confidence almost trying too hard to make things happen, trying too hard to make an impression on the game after being given a rare outing. He made a nice couple of runs, got himself into some decent positions and had a cracking shot on goal but physically he’s miles off it, he was brushed off the ball far too easily more than once but if he’s got any savvy about him, he’ll be in the gym bulking up and trying to sort that out.

He wasn’t brilliant by any measure but he was nowhere near as bad as some on here are making out. Another poster suggested keeping him involved till the end of the season then re-assessing and I think that’s a reasonable idea. Give him a few games to prove what he can or can’t do and take things from there.

[Greenio]

He was ok. Like people said, maybe trying a bit too hard, wanting rid off the ball to fast and thus played more of a risky ball to someone near him - instead of just taking it in, lifting his head and either finding a bit of space for himself (without trying to make some frenetic dash at speed) or picking out a smarter pass. But he worked pretty hard, was back defending a fair bit, made some decent runs - I reckon if Boyle had released the ball to him on one attack he would have had a decent chance to score. If you were on the fence about him, then you'd still prob be there. But this game and the confidence shown in him will serve him well to kick on from here

[patlowe]

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It doesn't tell any story. He got a start. The plan was probably to sub him in the second half. The when is up to Monty. Tavares played 59 minutes. Hanlon and Doidge got 9 each. Tell a story with that. Or don't because it'll just be more nonsense.

It was 53 minutes - appreciate that's pedantic but if you're going to brandish someone's argument "nonsense" then here we are.

I have absolutely nothing against Tavares and I've acknowledged upfront there were potentially mitigating circumstances, but you just have to look at his stats for the time he was on the park. It's also notable to what extent our performance improved when he went off, though of course you can't attribute that entirely to one change.

Anyway, I don't want to go round in circles on this, I've given my view on a thread about a specific player, but ultimately Monty knows a hell of a lot better than me and I'll trust him to make the right calls on this and the rest of the squad.

[MWHIBBIES]

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One of the worst performances I’ve seen in a hibs jersey, was clueless. Nowhere near ready to play for hibs, we improved massively when Youan came on. The young lad also looked miles better in the time he had on too. Should never play again

First game ?

[BILLYHIBS]

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It was 53 minutes - appreciate that's pedantic but if you're going to brandish someone's argument "nonsense" then here we are.

I have absolutely nothing against Tavares and I've acknowledged upfront there were potentially mitigating circumstances, but you just have to look at his stats for the time he was on the park. It's also notable to what extent our performance improved when he went off, though of course you can't attribute that entirely to one change.

Anyway, I don't want to go round in circles on this, I've given my view on a thread about a specific player, but ultimately Monty knows a hell of a lot better than me and I'll trust him to make the right calls on this and the rest of the squad.

100% agree

The boy did ok nothing great

Jury still out

Will trust Monty and his team to make the correct call on this one

Hopefully he benefits from the experience and kicks on

Would not be starting him against Hearts at Tiny just yet 😀

[Unseen work]

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Him and Boyle switched a few times throughout the time he was on.

On your 2nd point, what have you seen of him to form that opinion?

Every time I’ve seen him I always think he wants to cut in to beat a man and never really attempts to just beat them down the line, out on the right he kept drifting infield again.

Plus I think about 90% of game times he’s had for us he’s been out on the left

[Unseen work]

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He was ok. Like people said, maybe trying a bit too hard, wanting rid off the ball to fast and thus played more of a risky ball to someone near him - instead of just taking it in, lifting his head and either finding a bit of space for himself (without trying to make some frenetic dash at speed) or picking out a smarter pass. But he worked pretty hard, was back defending a fair bit, made some decent runs - I reckon if Boyle had released the ball to him on one attack he would have had a decent chance to score. If you were on the fence about him, then you'd still prob be there. But this game and the confidence shown in him will serve him well to kick on from here

From watching it back I just thought he seemed really nervous, he was doing things/making mistakes that is down to nerves more than actual ability imo.

I saw ALF being quite animated towards him at the start of the game, it appeared he wanted Tavares to go and demand to get the ball more/with more intensity

Also trying to hard by trying to receive and turn on it in the one motion instead of the classic feeling your way into a game - this resulted in the opposition reading his movement and brushing him off the ball easily.

He had a couple of not bad moments, but I think that’s because we’re really looking for it - if Boyle or Youan had done it I doubt we’d have even noticed as it’s so common.

But he would have played more on Saturday than he did the previous 12 months combined for the first team.

Hopefully he builds on Saturday, grows in confidence and we see what he’s actually capable of.

[Jones28]

For a new manager to bring in someone who was frozen out under the last regime - despite the back-patting and fanfare when he was brought in - to throw him in to the starting 11 2 games in says a lot about his character and ability imo.

No doubt he will be rusty and not match fit but I already have faith in the new team to make an honest assessment, and it looks like they’re already impressed with his ability.

[GRA]

A few months ago I referred to him as a 'human victory cigar' as thought he was nowhere near good enough. Still haven't seen anything in the last couple of games to make me change my mind but, given Monty has given him two appearances in his last two games, he clearly must be doing something right in training.

At the moment he doesn't appear to replicate it on the big stage so unsure if just a case of confidence or he's just not got the mentality to make it? He's still young but football is a cruel cut-throat business, shape up or shift out.

[Forza Fred]

Every time I see him on the field I WANT him to do well, but I honestly can’t say he has made a significant contribution in any games I have seen him.

Hopefully he will make me eat my words, but he seems to shuffle rather than run, knocks the ball a foot away when taking delivery and is dispossessed whereupon he falls down…..I am not sure in Saturday’s game that contact was made with him every time he went down.
Obviously our new coaching staff see something at training that I don’t see when he’s on the park.

I would love to see him going on a mazy run and planting the ball in the back of the net, but I can’t see him being a regular starter, or at least I hope he is not, unless he improves.

[greenlex]

Judging by the monty cam footage available on the YouTube channel it looks like both Jair and Youan getting extra coaching during the game. Great to see. Can’t say I’ve noticed during the last guys reign any if that going on.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Every time I see him on the field I WANT him to do well, but I honestly can’t say he has made a significant contribution in any games I have seen him.

Hopefully he will make me eat my words, but he seems to shuffle rather than run, knocks the ball a foot away when taking delivery and is dispossessed whereupon he falls down…..I am not sure in Saturday’s game that contact was made with him every time he went down.
Obviously our new coaching staff see something at training that I don’t see when he’s on the park.

I would love to see him going on a mazy run and planting the ball in the back of the net, but I can’t see him being a regular starter, or at least I hope he is not, unless he improves.

Saved me the bother.

[easty]

Useless. Honestly, the guy offers us nothing.

Won a freekick, after he’d already run the ball out for a goal kick. That’s all he offered.

A million miles away from being good enough.

[sleeping giant]

I really really want him to do well but he just doesn't get involved.
Always seems to moving away from where the plays going.

[Allant1981]

Said on the match thread, he offered nothing, he just looked like a lost wee laddie when he came on, I'm all for players getting a clean slate but he is so far away from the level required

[Northernhibee]

If Lewis Miller got his head up, he’d have had a tap in.

Posts above confuse me a bit.

[truehibernian]

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Said on the match thread, he offered nothing, he just looked like a lost wee laddie when he came on, I'm all for players getting a clean slate but he is so far away from the level required

I thought the same about young Josh but he came good after some perseverances and hard work (and support). Monty trusts him and believes in him, that’s good enough for me - maybe all it’ll take is an assist, a goal, great half hour. The manager has a track record for getting the best out of players, I’ll wait until end of season before properly judging young Jair.

[Allant1981]

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I thought the same about young Josh but he came good after some perseverances and hard work (and support). Monty trusts him and believes in him, that’s good enough for me - maybe all it’ll take is an assist, a goal, great half hour. The manager has a track record for getting the best out of players, I’ll wait until end of season before properly judging young Jair.

Quite possibly and the guys on the park will always get my backing but he just doesn't make us any better when he plays, hopefully he gets a bit better

[JohnM1875]

What are people honestly expecting from the boy? He was completely frozen out under Johnson, apparently treated appallingly. Do folk genuinely expect him to suddenly turn into Messi and win games for us? It'll take time and effort building him up.

He was fine today when he came on. No worse or better than any other sub. But he's the one getting pelters. Mental.

[The Captain....]

I just don't see how he contributes tbh..he doesn't seem to be able to go past players, isn't particularly quick, doesn't play incisive passes and doesn't really threaten to score or assist. He just makes up the numbers.



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[Cat Stanton]

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What are people honestly expecting from the boy? He was completely frozen out under Johnson, apparently treated appallingly. Do folk genuinely expect him to suddenly turn into Messi and win games for us? It'll take time and effort building him up.

He was fine today when he came on. No worse or better than any other sub. But he's the one getting pelters. Mental.

Think he's just a bit lightweight, to be honest.

[truehibernian]

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Think he's just a bit lightweight, to be honest.

Which can easily be worked on at HTC by the fitness team. I agree, but he’s not had a look in and was basically shunned by LJ and has only this month been reintroduced to the fold. I say give it time. I’m not giving up on him yet 👍 one thing, and it’s a bug bear about many players in football, get that hair chopped !! Saying that I wish I had hair 😂

I really want the lad to do well, so I’m all for giving him the full season under Monty and hope he succeeds 👍