Tavares

[Brightside]

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Who are the wingers in the youth sides still at the club and not on loan?

When NM has literally just put someone in the side today based on a performance in the younger age group against Rangers and training, I wonder why he played Jair and not one of the players who you think are better.

All for giving him a chance. I’d play rudi there befor him. Bit as you say we don’t get to see them in training. For me he doesn’ have the physical ability for this league.

[tamig]

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All for giving him a chance. I’d play rudi there befor him. Bit as you say we don’t get to see them in training. For me he doesn’ have the physical ability for this league.

And thats not something the staff can work on?

[Brightside]

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And thats not something the staff can’t work on?

Totally. More oats

[RyeSloan]

Hardly the worst ever performance but overall it’s hard to say it was anything but mediocre at best.

I’m not sure what type of player he’s meant to be. His touch didn’t look great, doesn’t seem to have an abundance of pace and clearly physically a bit weak.

I certainly wouldn’t be shifting Boyle from that side to accommodate him again after that performance.

But hey you just never know I suppose!

[ChuckNor]

I think fan expectations are still elevated given the hype when we signed him. Personally, I think he was mediocre today. An improvement on before. Montgomery clears sees something there. Given his last game was with the youth team against Dunbar then it is going to take some time before he gets up to speed. Looking forward to seeing if Montgomery can transfer what he shows in training into matches.

[marinello59]

He did alright, not brilliant but alright. He looked slightly nervous to me, understandable as he will know he has his doubters. A bit more game time should give him the confidence to relax and play his game. I wouldn’t be writing him off just yet.

[Hibee Mac]

Looks to me like he doesn't have the desire and grit between the teeth that, in my opinion, most players need to really succeed.

He just doesn't look up for any kind of physical battle, I'm not saying he needs to love a tackle but he's got to have a bit of bite. Boyle, Youan, even young Whittaker all show that in abundance almost every week.

I just don't see it with Tavarez, would love to be proved wrong but I do think the defence of him is more wishful thinking than anything else.

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[James70]

I don't understand the amount of negativity towards one player who has barely played any amount of time in the first team.

If our new manager is prepared to give him a chance to prove himself then that is good enough for me.

[Unseen work]

First start at this level in 12 months?

Not shocked at all if people thought he looked nervous or a bit rust, it takes time to build that and confidence.

Hopefully with that today and more minutes over the next couple of weeks we really see what he’s about.

He will know a large majority of the fans have wrote him off, as the previous management team did. Hopefully the current management team get it out of him,

It was also unbelievably brave from Montgomery, he will have known the perception around him.

[Centre Hawf]

I have to admit the instinctive dislike for him is a bit perplexing. I think at this point some people are done with the idea of him more than Jair himself. He was neither amazing nor tam kite today, he looked like a guy feeling his way back into things and got involved without much coming off for him.

For me, he needs a little run to blow off some cobwebs and get himself going before I fully decide we should cut ties. Playing the combined total of about 90 minutes of senior football in the last 13 months is in no world an acceptable sample size to write him off entirely.

[SlickShoes]

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Tavares also went off when we hadn’t really played well and our performance improved massively when he went off.

Yes. Because he was replaced by our most creative player and guy that a year ago some people said 'he doesnt have' 'too weak' 'will never make it at this level'.

Hardly a shock that bringing Youan on made us better.

[DJ HIBBY]

You seriously cannot compare Youan to Tavares. Even early doors you could see Youan had talent and he was influencing matches. Tavares has shown nothing. I’ve no axe to grind with Tavares and was keen to see him do well today. Today though just showed why he hasn’t been near the team as he looked nowhere near ready for this level.

[SaulGoodman]

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. I’ve no axe to grind with Tavares.

Good one

[SlickShoes]

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You seriously cannot compare Youan to Tavares. Even early doors you could see Youan had talent and he was influencing matches. Tavares has shown nothing. I’ve no axe to grind with Tavares and was keen to see him do well today. Today though just showed why he hasn’t been near the team as he looked nowhere near ready for this level.

Think you are seeing what you want to see, there was nothing thread-worthy good or bad in his performance so a thread albeit created ages ago thats just full of aggressively negative stuff is weird, like people watched him today and actually thought 'he should never play for us ever again', seen hundreds of worse performances than how he played today.

[ChuckNor]

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Think you are seeing what you want to see, there was nothing thread-worthy good or bad in his performance so a thread albeit created ages ago thats just full of aggressively negative stuff is weird, like people watched him today and actually thought 'he should never play for us ever again', seen hundreds of worse performances than how he played today.

Yea, a lot of very harsh criticism of him in this thread. I think the way Hibs announced the signing (making him out to be a coup, giving him the number 7 etc) has led to people having very high expectations.

Fans often praise managers who give players a clean slate. Perhaps we as fans should also give players that same opportunity.

[jeffers]

Is he any better than Dan Mackay who we deemed not good enough ?

[neil7908]

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Yea, a lot of very harsh criticism of him in this thread. I think the way Hibs announced the signing (making him out to be a coup, giving him the number 7 etc) has led to people having very high expectations.

Fans often praise managers who give players a clean slate. Perhaps we as fans should also give players that same opportunity.

Felt going into the season that we were very short of options out wide so happy to see Tavares back in the side. I'm not entirely convinced but we need options and players who can step in for injuries etc. He's still a young guy and seems like his confidence is shot but if the coaching staff can work with him, will be like a new signing

[HIBS NUTS]

I watch a lot of hibs youth football , and i think there is better under 18 players.
He got a run out, and he was pretty poor.

[jakedance]

I thought he did alright but Youan showed how much better he is within about a minute of coming on.

He either doesn’t have the confidence, ability or match fitness to do anything much going forward so it was all neat touches and playing it backwards. The new manager must be seeing potential and feels like he can be developed. It’s a good test for them both.

[hibee-boys]

I’m sorry but LJ breakdown or not, he looks far from what we need🤷🏼

[JammyDoidger]

You'd think being given a second chance he would work his socks off and fight for everything, it's just not in his make up, waste of space, that 16 year old laddie showed more in 20mins than he has since he's been here.

[HoboHarry]

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Totally. More oats

Raw meat for the Portuguese Man o' war......

[JohnM1875]

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You'd think being given a second chance he would work his socks off and fight for everything, it's just not in his make up, waste of space, that 16 year old laddie showed more in 20mins than he has since he's been here.

He did work his socks off and and tried just as much as any other player first half. Ridiculous to say he didn't. He just needs to learn the Scottish game. You're just not going to get free kicks sometimes.

[JammyDoidger]

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He did work his socks off and and tried just as much as any other player first half. Ridiculous to say he didn't. He just needs to learn the Scottish game. You're just not going to get free kicks sometimes.

You think so? I remember Whittaker getting the crowd going on 2 separate occasions with his harrying and tackling, never seen a bit of it from Jair Tavares. Just hovered about.

[JohnM1875]

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You think so? I remember Whittaker getting the crowd going on 2 separate occasions with his harrying and tackling, never seen a bit of it from Jair Tavares. Just hovered about.

I do.

Different stages of the game for Jair and Rory though for me. I think the first half in general was a bit flatter. Wouldn't say that meant Jair wasn't trying just as hard as any other player.

Think you also need to take into account where he's came from. Frozen out and probably treated like trash to starting. It'll have been a learning experience and confidence builder from him.

He did fine.

[mcohibs]

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He did work his socks off and and tried just as much as any other player first half. Ridiculous to say he didn't. He just needs to learn the Scottish game. You're just not going to get free kicks sometimes.

Only thing that’s ridiculous are people thinking he played well today, baffling. Drifted about most of the first half out of position, not showing as an option for Miller when in possession, looks lightweight and too easily brushed off the ball.

Should’ve been hooked at half time. NM clearly hoped he’d improve start of second half, but didn’t and he was subsequently replaced by Youan who was noticeably an instant improvement.

[Hibby70]

Needs games to improve and have an effect on the game. Don't think he'll be afforded the time though as he looked completely lost at times today.

Shame for the lad but we can't afford passengers.

[JohnM1875]

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Only thing that’s ridiculous are people thinking he played well today, baffling. Drifted about most of the first half out of position, not showing as an option for Miller when in possession, looks lightweight and too easily brushed off the ball.

Should’ve been hooked at half time. NM clearly hoped he’d improve start of second half, but didn’t and he was subsequently replaced by Youan who was noticeably an instant improvement.

He wasn't great but he wasn't awful. Think folk need to appreciate what he's gone through.

Disagree though he made plenty runs and gave options.

Obviously Youan coming on made an improvement. He's probably our best player.

[JammyDoidger]

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I do.

Different stages of the game for Jair and Rory though for me. I think the first half in general was a bit flatter. Wouldn't say that meant Jair wasn't trying just as hard as any other player.

Think you also need to take into account where he's came from. Frozen out and probably treated like trash to starting. It'll have been a learning experience and confidence builder from him.

He did fine.

All the more reason for him to get stuck in, he's been thrown a lifeline he needs to stand out now..
I'm glad the rest of the team weren't just fine, or we would have lost. Like I say a 16 year old showed more guts in 20 minutes than he's shown since arriving here on a big wage. Needs to puff the chest out, grow a set or he will go the same way as melkerson. He's lucky he's been given a chance, won't get many more on performances like that.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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I watch a lot of hibs youth football , and i think there is better under 18 players.
He got a run out, and he was pretty poor.

under LJ who was, despite his self-declared games under his belt (501 until his release iirc) he we the epitome of a very poor manager. Jair said he didn’t want the 10. LJs ooor judgment again. Clean slate. Boa sorte Jair!