Tavares

[Hibees1973]

Hmm.

Sorry, yeah. Just doesn't provide anything.

Could transform overnight into something else, but doubtful.

[malcky]

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Hoping they aren’t going to try persist due to our assistant working with him before, seems he’s unfortunately just not good enough

Plenty said that last year about Youan

[Bobby's Cinema]

Showed a few decent touches first half thought he done OK. Good ball drilled across the box.
Just brushed aside too easily too often, he is always going to struggle physically against that kind of opposition.

[Just Alf]

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I thought he did fine today.

He’s not going to go from completely out the picture with no game time in a year to Motm performances in a week. The first part of the process will be to integrate him back into the team and make him an effective member of the squad again. Start of that process is well under way. In time I hope he kicks on again but i would guess that’ll take a few months, if it happens at all.

Ta.. you've saved me some
Typing :-)

[SlickShoes]

Almost can't believe the overly negative opinions here, but also I can because it's here.

He was fine, played some nice passes, to come from basically being forced out to back in the first team in a few weeks is a lot, hope he gets more game time and can grow into the team.

[allezsauzee]

I really don't see what Jair brings to the team. He just drifts about and doesn't impact the game. I think we'll need to cut our losses at some point with him.

[7Hero]

Tavares getting a chance is all good and I'm all for giving players chances but he has once again proved he's not very good. People dissing "negative" comments, hope that one doesn't offend you too much 🙄

Still in saying that I (strangely) would have fancied him to score youans chance today when Mr casual whacked it over the bar..

[AL-Qaholik]

He was the worst player on the park, pretending otherwise is pointless.
That said, he’s played basically no football at this level so I have no idea if he could improve enough or not.
I’m just not sure we have the luxury of persisting with somebody who has shown nothing so far in the hopes he might come good at some point.

[ScottB]

Ultimately, the manager thinks he’s worth giving a chance, either he’ll take advantage of that and kick on or he won’t.

Still happy that we’re going to get an answer either way compared to how he and indeed, a lot of the young / development players faired under Johnson.

[Pretty Boy]

I wasn't surprised he was subbed fairly early, he was never giving us much more than an hour today.

Tbh I didn't think he was great. Was eased off the ball very easily and spent a lot of time picking himself up off the ground, the rest of our attacking options looked well ahead physically.

I didn't expect much after so long out the team though and he definitely showed he has attributes that can be developed. As said above his rehabilitation is going to be a long process and the last 2 weeks have been tiny steps on that journey. We can't do much with the squad until January and more likely the summer so we are as well giving what we have a chance and working from there.

[HibbyKeith]

Martin Boyle struggled to get a game for Dundee. Let that sink in before writing Tavares off, after a fairly limited amount of game time.

[mcohibs]

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Almost can't believe the overly negative opinions here, but also I can because it's here.

He was fine, played some nice passes, to come from basically being forced out to back in the first team in a few weeks is a lot, hope he gets more game time and can grow into the team.

Come on, he was very poor today. Contributed nothing, drifted about like a headless chicken, no positional awareness. Bullied off the ball too many times as well. Call it overly negative, it’s realistic. Nowhere near a good enough performance for a team that’s aiming for third this year.

[Wilson]

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Ultimately, the manager thinks he’s worth giving a chance, either he’ll take advantage of that and kick on or he won’t.

Still happy that we’re going to get an answer either way compared to how he and indeed, a lot of the young / development players faired under Johnson.

That is the key.

It is no accident that Jair is getting minutes and a young player gets his shot.

One of the big reasons Monty is a fit for hibs is because this is exactly what was going to happen.

If Jair turns out to be good enough or not it won't end up an expensive write off because he didn't get a chance.

[DJ HIBBY]

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Was it aye?

It was aye, terrible touch and so easily brushed off the ball. We moved our best winger to the other wing to accommodate him too. So often he was out of position too and the two centre forwards had to go cover him but he had no interest in getting back to the wing. It was no coincidence hibs improved sharply when he went off, we were carrying a passenger who was hopelessly out of his depth at this level. As I said the young lad Whittaker when he came on offered a hell of a lot more.

[Carheenlea]

If that was his debut you’d probably say he did OK and would feel that there were signs that better things were to come.

Nick Montgomerie obviously wants to see him play in games to make his own judgment but what we saw today was basically what we’ve always seen to date from Jair.

[nonshinyfinish]

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It was aye, terrible touch and so easily brushed off the ball. We moved our best winger to the other wing to accommodate him too. So often he was out of position too and the two centre forwards had to go cover him but he had no interest in getting back to the wing. It was no coincidence hibs improved sharply when he went off, we were carrying a passenger who was hopelessly out of his depth at this level. As I said the young lad Whittaker when he came on offered a hell of a lot more.

Don't really disagree with any of that. Not sure why you didn't post that to begin with instead of pointless hyperbole.

[Hibbyradge]

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Martin Boyle struggled to get a game for Dundee. Let that sink in before writing Tavares off, after a fairly limited amount of game time.

Presumably that was because he wasn't playing well.

Tavares wasn't good today. He might get better, but we can't judge him on what's yet to happen.

As someone else pointed out, he was our worst player. Young Whittaker hasn't played a single minute for the first team and he made a much bigger impact in half the time.

That's a negative review, but I don't think it can seriously be contradicted.

[bingo70]

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Come on, he was very poor today. Contributed nothing, drifted about like a headless chicken, no positional awareness. Bullied off the ball too many times as well. Call it overly negative, it’s realistic. Nowhere near a good enough performance for a team that’s aiming for third this year.

He didn’t contribute nothing, he had a good assist for a chance at one point for a shot that went wide, he also came close with a shot himself. Defensively I remember him contributing by helping out Miller on at least one occasion.

Nobody is pretending he was brilliant, he wasn’t. He did some good/tidy things and he had a couple of poor moments. Overall, he was fine and it was a good reintroduction to the first team for him.

[bingo70]

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Presumably that was because he wasn't playing well.

Tavares wasn't good today. He might get better, but we can't judge him on what's yet to happen.

As someone else pointed out, he was our worst player. Young Whittaker hasn't played a single minute for the first team and he made a much bigger impact in half the time.

That's a negative review, but I don't think it can seriously be contradicted.

Whittaker came on when we were winning and they were opening up. Tavares played when the game was ugly, scrappy and they were being hard to break down with bodies behind the ball.

Not a fair comparison at all.

[DJ HIBBY]

Tavares also went off when we hadn’t really played well and our performance improved massively when he went off.

[tamig]

I think if the coaching stuff can work on the physical side of his game, he could be useful for us. Thats where he lacks most in my opinion. Being able to stay on his feet with someone right up his arse would be a good starting point.

[Hibbyradge]

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Whittaker came on when we were winning and they were opening up. Tavares played when the game was ugly, scrappy and they were being hard to break down with bodies behind the ball.

Not a fair comparison at all.

Ok. Do you disagree with the rest of my remarks too?

By the way, both Whittaker and Tavares played about 20 minutes while we were winning.

[CL0762]

Some of the comments in here saying it’s the worst ever performance from a Hibs player 😂😂😂 must’ve been the first time they’ve ever seen Hibs play.

For a young laddie who was effectively bombed out the first team and treated like a piece of **** by the previous management team, he done ok today. Given he’s had barely any minutes even for the dev team he’s hardly going to be full of confidence.

Some folk need to have a word with themselves.

[7Hero]

Biggest positive is manager is giving players a chance.

Long may that continue..

If they are PISH then he'll find out soon ...

[Donegal Hibby]

Tavares had a poor game imo and didn't get involved enough . Young Whittaker showed more desire and hunger and wasn't afraid to get stuck in , most of the time Tavares just strolled about without tackling or closing players down .

[Hiber-nation]

Produced 2 of the best moments of the 1st half. But still too lightweight. Hopefully the management team can get something out of him. Can't honestly see him starting again any time soon.

[bingo70]

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Ok. Do you disagree with the rest of my remarks too?

By the way, both Whittaker and Tavares played about 20 minutes while we were winning.

Yeah, pretty much.

I don’t see the need to label someone as our worst player when he was fine. He contributed to a winning team when he went off. I don’t think for a second the team carried him at all like some, including you, seem to be suggesting.

Martin Boyle was a lot better in the second half today too, he didn’t become a better player in the second half, the game just started to open up a a bit more.

For a player like Jair, it would have been easier for him to come on in the second half than it would have been to start.

Just to reiterate though, i don’t think he was brilliant, I thought he put in a decent shift in though and made a good enough contribution for a guy who a week ago was bombed miles out the picture, hasn’t had a proper pre-season and is going to be a work in progress in terms of his rehabilitation.

[BILLYHIBS]

Nervous start with a couple of clumsy touches and wasn’t allowed time on the ball as you would expect

Improved as the game progressed without making any real impact

A worthwhile 55 minutes for Jair to appreciate the pace and physicality of the Scottish game and for the Coaches to see at close quarters if he is worth persevering with

[Brightside]

He’s not better than the youth players.

[bingo70]

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He’s not better than the youth players.

Who are the wingers in the youth sides still at the club and not on loan?

When NM has literally just put someone in the side today based on a performance in the younger age group against Rangers and training, I wonder why he played Jair and not one of the players who you think are better.