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    Same could be said for McKirdy.

    Signed him as a striker and played him as a winger.
    I could be totally wrong here though I thought Mckirdy had played for Swindon both on the left and right sides at times and was more versatile. Though it's quite possible Mckirdy would be better played more central too .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby View Post
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    I could be totally wrong here though I thought Mckirdy had played for Swindon both on the left and right sides at times and was more versatile. Though it's quite possible Mckirdy would be better played more central too .
    Swindon fan that posts on here said at the time although he had played right wing for them he wasn’t great there and all his success had come playing central with a strike partner. Sure he said as much as he loved McKirdy he couldn’t understand why we signed him when we played with central striker up front.

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    Same could be said for McKirdy.

    Signed him as a striker and played him as a winger.
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    He came on against Ross County at home last season when we lost 0-2. I think he shot instead of crossing and Porteous went absolutely through him and his head completely dropped and it wasn’t great to see. Melkersen went over to put his arm round him and recognised it too

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    He came on against Ross County at home last season when we lost 0-2. I think he shot instead of crossing and Porteous went absolutely through him and his head completely dropped and it wasn’t great to see. Melkersen went over to put his arm round him and recognised it too
    One of the reasons why Porteous had to leave imo.

    He was guilty of slaughtering boys for trying things yet he would make more mistakes/poor decisions than them at times

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    One of the reasons why Porteous had to leave imo.

    He was guilty of slaughtering boys for trying things yet he would make more mistakes/poor decisions than them at times
    Sure Porteous had a go at Melkersen a few times last season.
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    I thought he didnt really get much of a chance to show what ability he did have last season, both Melkerson and McKirdy have both had far more game time than he has. It'll be interesting to see if he has settled and developed, IMO.

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    I'm all for seeing Jair getting a clean slate and a chance at us , I'd also like to see melkersen get a chance too . Never felt playing him on the right really suited him TBH and with Monty playing two upfront I think that would suit him too Still think there's a player there.
    I have noticed you have a bit of an obsession with wanting Melkersen to do well, obviously we all do as Hibs fans, but what is it you have seen that makes you think he would be good for us? Was it footage from his previous club or something? Just curious as I have really struggled to see what he offers.

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    Going to need Jair between now and Jan, Boyle and youan won’t be fit for every game and we’re short out wide, Monty’s done well involving him straight away and attempting to give the guy a bit of a confidence boost hopefully between that and the new coaches being able to communicate with him will help the guy settle and show us what he has.

    Agree with comments about melkerson and mckirdy as well maybe the 2 up top will suit them much better as well both too lightweight to play as a lone central striker and not enough in their game to play on the wing, 3 much better options at the club ahead of them just now though imo

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    Swindon fan that posts on here said at the time although he had played right wing for them he wasn’t great there and all his success had come playing central with a strike partner. Sure he said as much as he loved McKirdy he couldn’t understand why we signed him when we played with central striker up front.
    Pretty much every Swindon fan I know has said the opposite, possible you've mixed it up? Harry is a winger and pretty much always has been. He can play up front like Boyle can, ie, to cover, but he's not a striker. He played most of his games for Swindon out wide.

    There's also more to the Mckirdy story than meets the eye as far as I'm aware. Similar to Jair. It's not as simple as 'both crap' like some fans thought, some big fallouts behind the scenes with LJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc View Post
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    Pretty much every Swindon fan I know has said the opposite, possible you've mixed it up? Harry is a winger and pretty much always has been. He can play up front like Boyle can, ie, to cover, but he's not a striker. He played most of his games for Swindon out wide.

    There's also more to the Mckirdy story than meets the eye as far as I'm aware. Similar to Jair. It's not as simple as 'both crap' like some fans thought, some big fallouts behind the scenes with LJ.
    Going by transfer market, which I know isn't the most reliable, he definitely played more games in League Two as a centre forward. 32, compared to 16 RW and 14 LW. Then a smattering of games in midfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc View Post
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    Pretty much every Swindon fan I know has said the opposite, possible you've mixed it up? Harry is a winger and pretty much always has been. He can play up front like Boyle can, ie, to cover, but he's not a striker. He played most of his games for Swindon out wide.

    There's also more to the Mckirdy story than meets the eye as far as I'm aware. Similar to Jair. It's not as simple as 'both crap' like some fans thought, some big fallouts behind the scenes with LJ.
    I always thought that the issue was Harry being played as a winger when he is a striker preferably one of a two ( Doidge ) according to a Swindon fan that posts on here
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    Going by transfer market, which I know isn't the most reliable, he definitely played more games in League Two as a centre forward. 32, compared to 16 RW and 14 LW. Then a smattering of games in midfield.
    Could be that he was turned into a striker at Swindon and I've misremembered the Swindon fans post, but I know 2 lads from down there and have spoken to a few on twitter who all say he's a winger.

    I knew of Harry before Hibs as he came through the villa academy so always kept an eye on him and always seemed to see him playing out wide but I didn't see a lot of Swindon that season so I could be wrong, could have been converted to a striker.

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    Could be that he was turned into a striker at Swindon and I've misremembered the Swindon fans post, but I know 2 lads from down there and have spoken to a few on twitter who all say he's a winger.

    I knew of Harry before Hibs as he came through the villa academy so always kept an eye on him and always seemed to see him playing out wide but I didn't see a lot of Swindon that season so I could be wrong, could have been converted to a striker.
    I don't know anything about his career prior to Hibs, but I can confirm the the Swindon fan who came on here said he's better in a two up front

    That being said, I don't see him getting a game ahead of any of our forward line options as we're very strong there. I reckon he'll be for sale next summer having played very little football for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibee Mac View Post
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    I don't know anything about his career prior to Hibs, but I can confirm the the Swindon fan who came on here said he's better in a two up front

    That being said, I don't see him getting a game ahead of any of our forward line options as we're very strong there. I reckon he'll be for sale next summer having played very little football for us.

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    Final Game of the season against Hearts after the split. Doidge injured (Against Kilmarnock of course) Vente suspended for giving the finger to Rangers fans. Alf playing up top with Boyle. 0-0 with 20 mins to go and Alf is subbed for McKirdy in his first game back after injury. The Swindon Van Basten causes mayhem due to his foot-high green mohawk getting in defenders faces at corners. His first goal is a toe poke from a loose ball..his second a knuckle ball 30 yarder that dips into the top corner...his third a volley that smashes Zander Clarke in the face, breaks his nose and flies in off the crossbar... Harry runs to the centre of pitch, drops his shorts to reveal a second green mowhak and takes out the whole of the Hearts directors box with an imaginary machine gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worcesterhibby View Post
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    Final Game of the season against Hearts after the split. Doidge injured (Against Kilmarnock of course) Vente suspended for giving the finger to Rangers fans. Alf playing up top with Boyle. 0-0 with 20 mins to go and Alf is subbed for McKirdy in his first game back after injury. The Swindon Van Basten causes mayhem due to his foot-high green mohawk getting in defenders faces at corners. His first goal is a toe poke from a loose ball..his second a knuckle ball 30 yarder that dips into the top corner...his third a volley that smashes Zander Clarke in the face, breaks his nose and flies in off the crossbar... Harry runs to the centre of pitch, drops his shorts to reveal a second green mowhak and takes out the whole of the Hearts directors box with an imaginary machine gun.
    I'll safely say I'll sit in a bath of beans if this happens.

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    I don't know anything about his career prior to Hibs, but I can confirm the the Swindon fan who came on here said he's better in a two up front

    That being said, I don't see him getting a game ahead of any of our forward line options as we're very strong there. I reckon he'll be for sale next summer having played very little football for us.

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    I think it just highlights how all over the place our recruitment was at times. We maybe didn't exclusively sign a whole load of bad players, albeit there have been a few stinkers, but we seemed to sign a whole host of players with no idea how or where we were actually going to play them.

    We play 1 up top so lets bring in McKirdy who excels in a 2 and stick him out on the right, ditto with Melkerson. Hoppe was another about whom it was often said that he 'has to play as a 2'. Obviously you want options but last season it was Nisbet then trying to shoehorn others in around him, bizarrely we also had the situation that when Nisbet wasn't fit we really had no one who could play up top on their own in a comparable way to him so had to shuffle the whole team to try and accommodate that or have someone totally unsuited to the lone striker role huffing and puffing for 60 minutes until they were replaced by someone else to take a 30 minute turn being frustrated.

    Hopefully now we seem to have a wee bit more cohesion around what we are doing we start to see players coming in and playing to their strengths rather than desperately trying to turn them into something they are clearly not. It might even see guys like McKirdy, Melkerson and Jair show why we were so keen to spend money on bringing them in.
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    I have noticed you have a bit of an obsession with wanting Melkersen to do well, obviously we all do as Hibs fans, but what is it you have seen that makes you think he would be good for us? Was it footage from his previous club or something? Just curious as I have really struggled to see what he offers.
    I'll throw my name in for this as well as someone who is a bit 'obsessed' with wanting Melkersen to do well. Much like Jair he was signed at a young age (even younger at just turning 19 days before signing) and I think he has shown in glimpses (Motherwell is the obvious one) there is a footballer in there for such a young lad who was settling in, and perhaps just needs a bit more of a push/first team football to unlock it further. The loan to Rotterdam was a poor choice from the club as they clearly went chasing the big sum of money to get their investment back quickly when actually he might have been better served going out to a Raith Rovers etc for 6 months, but I'm still hoping that this current spell back home will perhaps reset his batteries while letting him play proper senior football and then we can reassess in January when he returns if he's bulked up/come on another level that we can work with.

    I will concede though that time is running out for him and if he can't come back and stake a claim going into next season it's perhaps not going to happen at all. But I always have sympathy with the younger lads we sign, as it will never be an instant result, we do have to nurture and develop them like we would a Josh O'Connor and afford them more time to show what they've got than say a 28 year old first team signing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centre Hawf View Post
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    I'll throw my name in for this as well as someone who is a bit 'obsessed' with wanting Melkersen to do well. Much like Jair he was signed at a young age (even younger at just turning 19 days before signing) and I think he has shown in glimpses (Motherwell is the obvious one) there is a footballer in there for such a young lad who was settling in, and perhaps just needs a bit more of a push/first team football to unlock it further. The loan to Rotterdam was a poor choice from the club as they clearly went chasing the big sum of money to get their investment back quickly when actually he might have been better served going out to a Raith Rovers etc for 6 months, but I'm still hoping that this current spell back home will perhaps reset his batteries while letting him play proper senior football and then we can reassess in January when he returns if he's bulked up/come on another level that we can work with.

    I will concede though that time is running out for him and if he can't come back and stake a claim going into next season it's perhaps not going to happen at all. But I always have sympathy with the younger lads we sign, as it will never be an instant result, we do have to nurture and develop them like we would a Josh O'Connor and afford them more time to show what they've got than say a 28 year old first team signing.
    Firmly in the wanting Melkersen to succeed here as well. Always have been.

    Think he'll absolutely benefit a lot from this current loan, actually starting games as a striker through the middle and will come back in January a better player.

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    MacKay is currently struggling to get a game at Livingston, having had some fairly ordinary loan spells, and Tait is back playing in League 1. Appreciate they are both young but I don’t think there is much to be worrying ourselves about. I
    Nah. Mackay to be filed alongside Fraser Murray and Stephen Bradley under - players who were let go at the right time, that were never going to make it at Hibs.

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    Firmly in the wanting Melkersen to succeed here as well. Always have been.

    Think he'll absolutely benefit a lot from this current loan, actually starting games as a striker through the middle and will come back in January a better player.
    I hope he comes back and succeeds too, but other than the Motherwell game he's looked miles off it. The games he played in this season, he was absolutely useless.

    He's starting games while away on loan, which can only be good for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    Nah. Mackay to be filed alongside Fraser Murray and Stephen Bradley under - players who were let go at the right time, that were never going to make it at Hibs.
    ... or who might have made it at Hibs, but we'd have had to have been operating at a level at the time way below attempting to compete for 3rd in the premier league. Either of them might have found themselves establishing themselves in a Championship Hibs or one of our weaker, bottom 6 efforts.

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    I hope he comes back and succeeds too, but other than the Motherwell game he's looked miles off it. The games he played in this season, he was absolutely useless.

    He's starting games while away on loan, which can only be good for him.
    Think the important thing is he's starting games as a striker through the middle. The laddie is never going to be a winger. Doesn't have the attributes for that.

    Definitely think this is probably make or break for him in regards to his Hibs career.

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    Nah. Mackay to be filed alongside Fraser Murray and Stephen Bradley under - players who were let go at the right time, that were never going to make it at Hibs.
    I would have quite liked to have seen MacKay get a little run between now and January as well to see if he was capable, but Lee Johnson clearly didn't fancy him (at this point I'm questioning who he did fancy as he had a habit of freezing people out/not giving minutes). But considering he's played about 10 minutes so far this season since joining Livi I think we can probably assume he was never going to make an impact at us and LJ was perhaps right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centre Hawf View Post
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    I would have quite liked to have seen MacKay get a little run between now and January as well to see if he was capable, but Lee Johnson clearly didn't fancy him (at this point I'm questioning who he did fancy as he had a habit of freezing people out/not giving minutes). But considering he's played about 10 minutes so far this season since joining Livi I think we can probably assume he was never going to make an impact at us and LJ was perhaps right.
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    Nah. Mackay to be filed alongside Fraser Murray and Stephen Bradley under - players who were let go at the right time, that were never going to make it at Hibs.


    Dan Mackay will never play at as high a level as Hibs again in his career imo.

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    Dan Mackay will never play at as high a level as Hibs again in his career imo.
    Have to agree. The only times he's looked decent is against weak opposition (European games, pre-season friendlies, etc.) - and that's been under a few managers so it wasn't just LJ not fancying him.

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