Channel 4 Dispatches

[grunt]

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I see James Cleverley on TV this morning saying the entertainment industry has big questions to answer in regards to Brand.

Funny how he can manage to have a view about Brand but claim not to be able to comment on Susan Hall's support of fascists because he "doesn't know the context". He's a lying Tory liar, so I guess we should expect him to lie.

[grunt]

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Has trial by TV and social media just been accepted as enough these days?

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Innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our judicial system, but it’s hard to hear what he’s being accused of without feeling any sort of bias against him.

As s27 says, "innocent until proven guilty" is a legal term. But we all make judgements every day, based on what we see and hear, and on our own personal moral viewpoints. Yesterday I decided against sitting next to someone on the bus based simply on not liking the look of the guy.

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Watch the show and come to your own conclusions.

Good advice IMO.

[weecounty hibby]

Brand has always made me feel uncomfortable anytime I've seen him on TV. This is news is not in the least bit surprising.

[Jones28]

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Brand has always made me feel uncomfortable anytime I've seen him on TV. This is news is not in the least bit surprising.

His back combed hair was enough for me.

[Kato]

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His back combed hair was enough for me.

What the ******* hell was that?

I can only guess that Camden/Amy Winhouse scene threw up all sorts of questionable choices. It suited her and her shtick but that abomination, and he sported it for years. Didn't he have any pals who said, "mate, the barnet."

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[Stairway 2 7]

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What the ******* hell was that?

I can only guess that Camden/Amy Winhouse scene threw up all sorts of questionable choices. It suited her and her shtick but that abomination, and he sported it for years. Didn't he have any pals who said, "mate, the barnet."

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He was mates with back combed people like Noel Fielding who shacked up with Peaches Geldof when she was 16 and he was 34.

[Kato]

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He was mates with back combed people like Noel Fielding who shacked up with Peaches Geldof when she was 16 and he was 34.

He'll be Noel Naemates now.

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[speedy_gonzales]

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He was mates with back combed people like Noel Fielding who shacked up with Peaches Geldof when she was 16 and he was 34.

For the record, it was Pixie Geldof, but yeah, ill behaviour all the same!

[Pretty Boy]

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Brand has always made me feel uncomfortable anytime I've seen him on TV. This is news is not in the least bit surprising.

A decent chunk of his comedy was heavy innuendo about how he manipulated and coerced women into having sex with him. There was context of course so it's hardly definitive proof he is a wrong 'un but it's a wee bit uncomfortable thinking about it now.

[Jones28]

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What the ******* hell was that?

I can only guess that Camden/Amy Winhouse scene threw up all sorts of questionable choices. It suited her and her shtick but that abomination, and he sported it for years. Didn't he have any pals who said, "mate, the barnet."

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Probably not, would you want to cut about with somebody who had hair like that? 😂

[Keith_M]

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A decent chunk of his comedy was heavy innuendo about how he manipulated and coerced women into having sex with him. There was context of course so it's hardly definitive proof he is a wrong 'un but it's a wee bit uncomfortable thinking about it now.

Sorry, but even without the current 'revelations', I'm confused as to how people didn't already find that disturbing?




Maybe I'd be just described as an old prude, but I find absolutely nothing funny about sexual abuse or sexual manipulation.... no matter how 'edgy' or 'cool' the comedian.

[weecounty hibby]

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Sorry, but even without the current 'revelations', I'm confused as to how people didn't already find that disturbing?




Maybe I'd be just described as an old prude, but I find absolutely nothing funny about sexual abuse or sexual manipulation.... no matter how 'edgy' or 'cool' the comedian.

Exactly. He was unfunny and rhe subjects he chose to try to make funny should have been a huge red flag. As I said earlier, every time I saw him he made me feel uncomfortable. It was like it was a game to him, see what he can get away with and push and push the boundaries. The Andrew Sachs and Jimmy Saville stuff was a disgrace. And done when EVERYONE at the BBC and beyond in entertainment knew exactly what Saville was

[Kato]

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Probably not, would you want to cut about with somebody who had hair like that?

After giving it zero thought, no.

Maybe when someone outlandish appears, speaks persistently in double entendres and has a surface, cheeky charm but a really freaky hairdo people are entranced.



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[Pretty Boy]

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Sorry, but even without the current 'revelations', I'm confused as to how people didn't already find that disturbing?




Maybe I'd be just described as an old prude, but I find absolutely nothing funny about sexual abuse or sexual manipulation.... no matter how 'edgy' or 'cool' the comedian.

I think talking about his 'Mr Tinky Winky' and such like probably distracted from the darker stuff.

Sometimes people just don't see what is right in front of them. I never much liked Brand and I'd certainly seen reference to some dodgy behaviour from female comedians on Twitter and indeed in their material but I'm still a bit surprised at the depravity of the allegations against him. I always find it odd that no one suspected Saville in the 70s, watching him for 2 seconds even before the truth came out and I thought he was dodgy as. That provokes a strong reaction from people around at the time though and it's very much how could we know, he was eccentric but an institution etc etc. I suppose it's not that uncommon for sexual predators to hide in plain sight, they arguably need a degree of charm and plausibility to get away with it for so long.

[Stairway 2 7]

The Times only go after anti establishment people.. Or tories friends of Thatcher, Mp's and lawyers. A report from the times today, how many of Thatchers friends were beasts

https://archive.ph/sKuAU

[Kato]

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The Times only go after anti establishment people.. Or tories friends of Thatcher, Mp's and lawyers. A report from the times today, how many of Thatchers friends were beasts

https://archive.ph/sKuAU

If ever there was someone sus it was "Nicky", a vicious, verbose, uncaring psycho - and that's just his politics. The Henderson content is abysmally sad, the aura of what went down there was all around the old town in the 80s/90s - rumours/stories of posh predators after youngsters. Brutal.

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[Kato]

Just noticed Fairbairn had an affair with Esther Rantzen, who said she heard all the rumours about Savile but never spoke out and was shocked when the truth eventually came out about him, as with Fairbairn.

She was also involved with Childline which had several, unfounded so far, conspiracy theories around it along with the murder of Jill Dando. Who is said to have uncovered the true purpose of childline, which was to weed out those who accusing protected people, all allegedly mind you.

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[overdrive]

Some of the GB News stuff regarding Brand might be coming from, in part as they also have previous for defending guys like this, the fact that they used to employ his sister-in-law who seems to be supporting him.

[marinello59]

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Some of the GB News stuff regarding Brand might be coming from, in part as they also have previous for defending guys like this, the fact that they used to employ his sister-in-law who seems to be supporting him.

His anti- mainstream media views are not that far removed from a lot posted on the BBC bias thread. It’s not a left wing right wing thing, it’s an inability of so many to tolerate an alternative view to their own. If the news ain’t reflecting their every belief then it is biased. (See Trump) Remember how many decided that Salmond was the victim of a Unionist plot even when the evidence emerged of his inherently sleazy nature. Brand’s supporters attempt at a conspiracy theory explanation comes from the same play book.
The problem here is not the media, that just serves as a distraction from those women who are victimised by badly behaved men in a position of owner. They will all but be forgotten as this progresses and just like the women in the Salmond case will be dismissed by a large number as troublemaking witches. There are still some who will defend Salmond on the grounds of his behaviour passing the criminal test even though it was clearly a disgraceful abuse of power. And let’s be in no doubt, there are men like Salmond and Brand in the upper echelons of every political party, organisation and industry in the country. Men still hold the upper hand , let’s hope this case goes a little bit further towards correcting that imbalance.

[Ozyhibby]

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His anti- mainstream media views are not that far removed from a lot posted on the BBC bias thread. It’s not a left wing right wing thing, it’s an inability of so many to tolerate an alternative view to their own. If the news ain’t reflecting their every belief then it is biased. (See Trump) Remember how many decided that Salmond was the victim of a Unionist plot even when the evidence emerged of his inherently sleazy nature. Brand’s supporters attempt at a conspiracy theory explanation comes from the same play book.
The problem here is not the media, that just serves as a distraction from those women who are victimised by badly behaved men in a position of owner. They will all but be forgotten as this progresses and just like the women in the Salmond case will be dismissed by a large number as troublemaking witches. There are still some who will defend Salmond on the grounds of his behaviour passing the criminal test even though it was clearly a disgraceful abuse of power. And let’s be in no doubt, there are men like Salmond and Brand in the upper echelons of every political party, organisation and industry in the country. Men still hold the upper hand , let’s hope this case goes a little bit further towards correcting that imbalance.

The BBC can be biased and Salmond, Brand etc can be sex pests. Remember, the BBC employed Brand.


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[Jay]

I'm going to go a little bit against the grain here. Somethings just not sitting right. I have no doubt he behaved in the way described, he hid in plain sight really. He openly 'joked' about his treatment of women. Its the women who I either don't think are being represented well or some of the stuff being said is questionable. Now I'm not saying they deserved what happened by any means, no means no 100% of the time . But in most of the cases I saw the women knew his behaviour, knew his persona, saw the TV shows , watched him pick women up and treat them badly, slept with him consenusally and remained friends with him, knew women were given radios to carry when alone with him and still chose to be around him, still chose to go and see him alone . He's not someone I'd have wanted to sit next to on a bus far less be alone with. Somethings just not clicking into place for me , it could be we are being given a very slanted version of things. I don't know.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I'm going to go a little bit against the grain here. Somethings just not sitting right. I have no doubt he behaved in the way described, he hid in plain sight really. He openly 'joked' about his treatment of women. Its the women who I either don't think are being represented well or some of the stuff being said is questionable. Now I'm not saying they deserved what happened by any means, no means no 100% of the time . But in most of the cases I saw the women knew his behaviour, knew his persona, saw the TV shows , watched him pick women up and treat them badly, slept with him consenusally and remained friends with him, knew women were given radios to carry when alone with him and still chose to be around him, still chose to go and see him alone . He's not someone I'd have wanted to sit next to on a bus far less be alone with. Somethings just not clicking into place for me , it could be we are being given a very slanted version of things. I don't know.

One said he forced his x down her throat as she was saying no, he didn't stop when she pushed him so had to punch him. She was 16 but should have known better than to be alone with the top swordsman?

[Stairway 2 7]

Here's brand phoning Jimmy Savile, what are the two of them like with their bands

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[Ozyhibby]

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One said he forced his x down her throat as she was saying no, he didn't stop when she pushed him so had to punch him. She was 16 but should have known better than to be alone with the top swordsman?

Bet she was wearing a short skirt as well.


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[Jay]

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One said he forced his x down her throat as she was saying no, he didn't stop when she pushed him so had to punch him. She was 16 but should have known better than to be alone with the top swordsman?

Thats not what I'm saying. The 16 year old was different. I knew my words wouldn't come across right. I'm not saying they deserved it at all. I'm saying something missing for me and it's possible it's the way the programme was made to prove his guilt.

[Jay]

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Bet she was wearing a short skirt as well.


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100% not what I said . I said no mean no 100% of the time. I said I believe he did it. Please dont turn it into something I didn't say

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

First complaint. There will be others.


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[Hibrandenburg]

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100% not what I said . I said no mean no 100% of the time. I said I believe he did it. Please dont turn it into something I didn't say

I get what you're saying, there's no doubt that Brand is a creepy ****bag, but the Dispatches show seemed to concentrate on his creepy but legal behaviour rather than his criminal behaviour. I guess they were just painting a picture to the audience of a creep that is capable of doing the things he's been accused of.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I get what you're saying, there's no doubt that Brand is a creepy ****bag, but the Dispatches show seemed to concentrate on his creepy but legal behaviour rather than his criminal behaviour. I guess they were just painting a picture to the audience of a creep that is capable of doing the things he's been accused of.

I think it's to more point a finger at the bbc and Channel 4 themselves. Why did we allow this, his call to Savile saying he can tell his assistant to turn up naked, his constant banter that he will snog people if they aren't careful, his being in his pants a number of times on his radio show and asking guests to do the same, calling up Sachs and saying he's sleeping with his granddaughter, the sun giving him top ****ger award.

00s was brutal to be a girl the lads and "swordsman" could say what they wanted with a cheeky smile. How did bbc and Channel 4 allow that patter and that's without the rape accusations

[Jay]

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I get what you're saying, there's no doubt that Brand is a creepy ****bag, but the Dispatches show seemed to concentrate on his creepy but legal behaviour rather than his criminal behaviour. I guess they were just painting a picture to the audience of a creep that is capable of doing the things he's been accused of.

Yes possibly. I think what I'm trying to say (badly) is that the woman would have 'known better' for want of a better phrase , so what's missing, why were they still in that position? Power? Employment? Drugs? Obviously yet again I'm excluding the 16 year old and probably many more. There's something still to come out. The women's stories didn't seem complete to me. Anyway I'll bow out for now