Housing

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The lying liar lies again.

Here's criminal Sunak agreeing to relax environmental protections to allow more housebuilding, despite the Tories promising they would enhance environmental protection.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1696455204990845089?s=20

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The lying liar lies again.

Here's criminal Sunak agreeing to relax environmental protections to allow more housebuilding, despite the Tories promising they would enhance environmental protection.

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1696455204990845089?s=20

https://twitter.com/Feargal_Sharkey/status/1696555617177981034?t=7vxNzPGSdmhoqQNpy9aP1A&s=19


Feargal_Sharkey is really good..

How to make £493,964,000 in just 8 hours 30 minutes

Easy, get govt to bin nutrient neutrality laws for house builders exactly what the likes of Persimmon PLC, Barrat Developments PLC and Taylor Wimpey PLC did this morning & that's exactly how much richer they are this afternoon

[Stairway 2 7]

Grim stories of people trying to get housing in London. £25k per year wage isn't enough

https://archive.ph/GMy6D

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https://x.com/agc_reports/status/169...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Self interest over what’s good for the country.


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https://x.com/jeremiahdjohns/status/...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...-mcvey-4276969
Problem getting worse under new council in Edinburgh.


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https://x.com/andywightman/status/16...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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Wightman has done great work on who owns what in Scotland. The idiots really shouldn't keep evoking the holocaust if they want to win public opinion

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I had no idea that students don’t have to pay council tax, how ridiculous.

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I read this today about social and mid-rent affordable housing from Wheatley homes at West Craigs. 425 new homes.

https://www.wheatleyhomes-east.com/a...st-development

That must be the way forward, build social housing and negate the need for a massive private rented sector which just feeds the spiral of inflated house prices and gentrification that has gathered such pace in Edinburgh.
The whole project cost 80 million.

For advocates of any further unnecessary tram vanity in the city, think how many homes the council could have build with what they've spent on the extension.

[Just Alf]

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I read this today about social and mid-rent affordable housing from Wheatley homes at West Craigs. 425 new homes.

https://www.wheatleyhomes-east.com/a...st-development

That must be the way forward, build social housing and negate the need for a massive private rented sector which just feeds the spiral of inflated house prices and gentrification that has gathered such pace in Edinburgh.
The whole project cost 80 million.

For advocates of any further unnecessary tram vanity in the city, think how many homes the council could have build with what they've spent on the extension.

I hear what you're say re the trams but a key part of the appeal is that the development is close to a tram stop enabling the new residents easy access to get work in town/around leith walk and in Leith itself (in the same way going the opposite way Leithers can easily get to Edinburgh Park etc)

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I read this today about social and mid-rent affordable housing from Wheatley homes at West Craigs. 425 new homes.

https://www.wheatleyhomes-east.com/a...st-development

That must be the way forward, build social housing and negate the need for a massive private rented sector which just feeds the spiral of inflated house prices and gentrification that has gathered such pace in Edinburgh.
The whole project cost 80 million.

For advocates of any further unnecessary tram vanity in the city, think how many homes the council could have build with what they've spent on the extension.

It’s not lack of money that stops govts building houses. Houses literally pay for themselves, hence all the private landlords you mention. It’s politics that stops us building more houses. There is unlimited funds available for a govt who is allowed to borrow to build housing and has the political will to push through planning.
There is no need to stop any other functions of govt.
Otherwise, imagine how many houses we could build if we stopped funding hospitals?


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It’s not lack of money that stops govts building houses. Houses literally pay for themselves, hence all the private landlords you mention. It’s politics that stops us building more houses. There is unlimited funds available for a govt who is allowed to borrow to build housing and has the political will to push through planning.
There is no need to stop any other functions of govt.
Otherwise, imagine how many houses we could build if we stopped funding hospitals?


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So the current government is failing people by not using the "unlimited funds" to try and address our housing crisis then?

I'm not sure future tram extension is within the remit of government though, It's the City of Edinburgh Council and they appear not to have learned any lessons after 20 years of chaos on our streets and huge sums of money wasted.

Anyway, let's not lower the level of any attempt at discussion with a viewpoint that isn't yours by getting arsey about building hospitals etc.

Social housing, not exorbitantly priced private sector rented accommodation, that's what is needed in Edinburgh.

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So the current government is failing people by not using the "unlimited funds" to try and address our housing crisis then?

I'm not sure future tram extension is within the remit of government though, It's the City of Edinburgh Council and they appear not to have learned any lessons after 20 years of chaos on our streets and huge sums of money wasted.

Anyway, let's not lower the level of any attempt at discussion with a viewpoint that isn't yours by getting arsey about building hospitals etc.

Social housing, not exorbitantly priced private sector rented accommodation, that's what is needed in Edinburgh.

The govt is definitely failing. The SG is failing by not reforming planning in order to get more housing built and the UK govt is failing by not allowing more borrowing to build social housing.
It has nothing to do with trams? And by any measure they have been a success and are popular with the people who live here.


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Are housing associations not building social housing any more. I used to work for an architect practice with Link Housing Association as a major client. That was almost 40 years ago though.

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I had no idea that students don’t have to pay council tax, how ridiculous.

What’s more if you have an HMO with 4 or 6 tenants and 1 is a student , nobody pays council tax.

Ps. This was the way it worked a few years ago, things may have changed.

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What’s more if you have an HMO with 4 or 6 tenants and 1 is a student , nobody pays council tax.

Ps. This was the way it worked a few years ago, things may have changed.

The opposite is true. If you have one non student then council tax is applied.


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The opposite is true. If you have one non student then council tax is applied.


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Sensible, but it was definitely the other way when my daughter was at uni.

Mind you that was 20 years ago .

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The opposite is true. If you have one non student then council tax is applied.


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In that instance there is a 25% discount.

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[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;7467339]The govt is definitely failing. The SG is failing by not reforming planning in order to get more housing built and the UK govt is failing by not allowing more borrowing to build social housing.
It has nothing to do with trams? And by any measure they have been a success and are popular with the people who live here.


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Trams cost our local authority a huge amount of money. I already explained that I would rather see more social housing built than any further tram extension.

I made the point that nearly 500 social and mid-market houses cost £80 million and suggested that we could have seen a huge investment in housing, had our local authority deployed our cash in a more socially responsible manner.

If we understand that our resources are finite, we have to make choices around how money is spent.

The idea that the private sector is somehow going to meet our future housing needs is ludicrous.

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The govt is definitely failing. The SG is failing by not reforming planning in order to get more housing built and the UK govt is failing by not allowing more borrowing to build social housing.
It has nothing to do with trams? And by any measure they have been a success and are popular with the people who live here.


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Trams cost our local authority a huge amount of money. I already explained that I would rather see more social housing built than any further tram extension.

I made the point that nearly 500 social and mid-market houses cost £80 million and suggested that we could have seen a huge investment in housing, had our local authority deployed our cash in a more socially responsible manner.

If we understand that our resources are finite, we have to make choices around how money is spent.

The idea that the private sector is somehow going to meet our future housing needs is ludicrous.

You're not entirely wrong but you've glided past the point that it's the fact they're served by a nearby tram stop that makes it viable for social housing where a higher percentage of people may not have cars.

EDIT: Apologies, not sure what's happened to the quote function :-/

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Trams are needed if we are to cut car use by the 30% needed to meet net zero. Climate change will effect us all rich or poor. Good transport gets people out of cars but it also boosts the economy. For the £100 million pound housing project announced this week in Leith docks, the project team said the trams were a reason for going ahead with the build.

As oz says its planning that's stopping housing not money. Nimby'ism and ridiculously complicated planning process is holding us back. The effort to get even brownfield sites into housing is ridiculous, never mind greenfield. Developers and housing associations will build tomorrow if they get planning

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I had no idea that students don’t have to pay council tax, how ridiculous.

So a student doctor, nurse or engineer should be disincentivised from going to Uni?

We should be paying certain students to go to Uni!

J

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Sensible, but it was definitely the other way when my daughter was at uni.

Mind you that was 20 years ago .

When I was at Uni 20 years ago it was definitely the case that if you had a non student you’d pay council tax. That was down in Bristol though.

J

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When I was at Uni 20 years ago it was definitely the case that if you had a non student you’d pay council tax. That was down in Bristol though.

J

It was the same in Scotland in circa 2006. One of my mates left uni at the end of 2nd year, still stayed with the other 3 of us who were students and we started getting increasingly threatening letters demanding council tax. Being 19/20 we ignored them a lot longer than we should have.

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If everyone is a student in a household they don't pay council tax, at least that is what my son says

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If everyone is a student in a household they don't pay council tax, at least that is what my son says

That is definitely correct.


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So a student doctor, nurse or engineer should be disincentivised from going to Uni?

We should be paying certain students to go to Uni!

J

Nothing to do with disincentivising people from going to uni and it shouldn’t matter what they are studying, we’re already paying for them to go to uni anyway.

If three students sharing a 3 bed flat in the centre of Edinburgh can afford up to £1000pm per room in private rent then they can afford to pay council tax like the rest of us.

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Nothing to do with disincentivising people from going to uni and it shouldn’t matter what they are studying, we’re already paying for them to go to uni anyway.

If three students sharing a 3 bed flat in the centre of Edinburgh can afford up to £1000pm per room in private rent then they can afford to pay council tax like the rest of us.

It's a benefit to incentives students it's good economics. We go further than that we pay for their tuition in Scotland, we give bursaries, student loans to be paid only when they earn a certain amount, 8k bursaries for all students in families on less than 25kpa, 10kpa loan to post graduates.

The reason we do this is its good for the economy long term to have an educated populous. The increased taxes gained in their 30+ years makes up for the money we spend on them in the 3-6 years

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It's a benefit to incentives students it's good economics. We go further than that we pay for their tuition in Scotland, we give bursaries, student loans to be paid only when they earn a certain amount, 8k bursaries for all students in families on less than 25kpa, 10kpa loan to post graduates.

The reason we do this is its good for the economy long term to have an educated populous. The increased taxes gained in their 30+ years makes up for the money we spend on them in the 3-6 years

I doubt someone that can afford £1000pm would not go to uni and take a minimum wage job just because they had to pay council tax.