(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[lapsedhibee]

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I was talking more about the growing populist / conspiracy theorist Republican faction in government than Trump, who - even if he did disagree with him on policy - is uncontrollable. McConnell's definitely not a good guy, and he carries the distinction of being, perhaps, the one person who could have prevented all of this nonsense via the impeachment trials. He's somebody who apparently hates Trump, knows exactly who he is and the dangers he presents to the country, has publicly blamed him for the Jan 6 riot, could have stopped him in his tracks and didn't. Twice.

I struggle to get my head around the various senior figures who have spoken out against Trump, written books about how unsuitable for the job he is, blamed him for the insurrection attempt and in some cases given evidence against him... yet have said they would still vote for him if he is the candidate.

Only seems strange if you haven't yet realised that Dems eat babies in a network of underground cellars.

[s.a.m]

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Only seems strange if you haven't yet realised that Dems eat babies in a network of underground cellars.

... forgot about that!

[cabbageandribs1875]

she's madder than a box of frogs Marjorie Taylor Greene calls on 'patriots' to help prove Jan. 6 conspiracy theory (msn.com)


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[s.a.m]

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she's madder than a box of frogs Marjorie Taylor Greene calls on 'patriots' to help prove Jan. 6 conspiracy theory (msn.com)


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It should be laughable, but there's a scarily significant minority who buy that stuff.

[cabbageandribs1875]

now that's what yi call a sentence, longest one yet Ex-Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio given 22 years in longest January 6 sentence yet – live (msn.com)


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[cabbageandribs1875]

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It should be laughable, but there's a scarily significant minority who buy that stuff.

i honestly think it's a majority in the cult of Trumpists

[Keith_M]

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You might be right; we don't know. I suppose I was being a bit pedantic about him 'clearly' looking senile. It's a possible explanation for the kind of 'absences' that he's been suffering, but there are other possibilities. My first thought was that he's suffering after effects of a stroke.
He also has some kind of infirmity as a result of polio as a child, and has had a number of reported falls , and a recent spell in hospital following a head injury after falling.
Anyway, whether dementia or something else, I think we're both agreed that it's time for him to call it a day.

[Hibrandenburg]

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My guess that he is senile, or more accurately has 'dementia' (accepting that I may be wrong) , is based largely on my experience of family members that have gone through similar phases where they appear to be lucid, then suddenly change to appear confused/disoriented

This a good article that describes typical symptoms.


https://alzheimer.ca/en/about-dement...signs-dementia

It's quite incredible that a truck driver has to go through stringent medical checkups to be able to carryout his work but those running the world can basically do so whilst dribbling out the sides of their mouths and filling adult nappies.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i know i've said 20+ times i'd love to see Trump in jail i think maybe some other type of institution would be more appropriate for him/it Trump issues call for Senate Republicans to prepare for revenge: 'We will put them all in jail' (msn.com)

[greenginger]

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now that's what yi call a sentence, longest one yet Ex-Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio given 22 years in longest January 6 sentence yet – live (msn.com)


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They’ll be praying for another Trump presidency.

Pardons all round !

[McD]

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They’ll be praying for another Trump presidency.

Pardons all round !

Not a loaded question, does the Prime Minister here have similar powers to pardon convicted criminals?


Always found it a bit odd that the president can unilaterally pardon and by extension release criminals

[ddoc]

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Not a loaded question, does the Prime Minister here have similar powers to pardon convicted criminals?


Always found it a bit odd that the president can unilaterally pardon and by extension release criminals

No, but the King can on advise from ministers.

You never here much of it as it rarely happens. Google search says they have granted 3 times since 1945.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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They’ll be praying for another Trump presidency.

Pardons all round !

a stick on, and even if Trump ended up in jail Biden would pardon him 24 hours later

i would think


Biden or Trump, what a choice the yank voters have

one can hardly see the script in front of him and the other is the most repugnant individual/politician in the country

[RyeSloan]

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a stick on, and even if Trump ended up in jail Biden would pardon him 24 hours later

i would think


Biden or Trump, what a choice the yank voters have

one can hardly see the script in front of him and the other is the most repugnant individual/politician in the country

Even if you somehow actually do believe Biden would auto pardon Trump (personally I struggle to understand that narrative) the President can only pardon those that have been found guilty of federal offences.

The recent mug shot was from Trump being arrested and accused of rather serious offences against the state of Georgia. The President has no power to pardon those.

[lapsedhibee]

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Even if you somehow actually do believe Biden would auto pardon Trump (personally I struggle to understand that narrative) the President can only pardon those that have been found guilty of federal offences.

The recent mug shot was from Trump being arrested and accused of rather serious offences against the state of Georgia. The President has no power to pardon those.

Can the Governor of Georgia pardon Trump for the state offences?

[McD]

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No, but the King can on advise from ministers.

You never here much of it as it rarely happens. Google search says they have granted 3 times since 1945.

Thanks! That’s really interesting

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Can the Governor of Georgia pardon Trump for the state offences?

No. That power was taken away when a previous Georgia governor pardoned the head of the KKK.


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No. That power was taken away when a previous Georgia governor pardoned the head of the KKK.

[cabbageandribs1875]

at least one someone in iowa doesn't like him

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Former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly finally goes on the record about his former boss. It should be devastating.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/02/p...ans/index.html

“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

[cabbageandribs1875]

well said De Niro Robert De Niro Rips Donald Trump: He’s “Evil” | The New Republic

I’ve spent a lot of time studying bad men. I’ve examined their characteristics, their mannerisms, the utter banality of their cruelty. Yet there’s something different about Donald Trump. When I look at him, I don’t see a bad man. Truly.

I see an evil one.

Over the years, I’ve met gangsters here and there. This guy tries to be one, but he can’t quite pull it off. There’s such a thing as “honor among thieves.” Yes, even criminals usually have a sense of right and wrong. Whether they do the right thing or not is a different story—but—they have a moral code, however warped.
Donald Trump does not. He’s a wannabe tough guy with no morals or ethics. No sense of right or wrong. No regard for anyone but himself—not the people he was supposed to lead and protect, not the people he does business with, not the people who follow him, blindly and loyally, not even the people who consider themselves his “friends.” He has contempt for all of them.

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It's sad to watch. Someone, his family, friends, should step in.

https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/171...606887857?s=20

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It's sad to watch. Someone, his family, friends, should step in.

https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/171...606887857?s=20

What's even sadder, and frankly terrifying, is that this guy might actually win. America is totally ****ed.

[lapsedhibee]

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It's sad to watch. Someone, his family, friends, should step in.

Lee Harvey Oswald would have been 84 next Wednesday.

[Oscar T Grouch]

His week in a NY court room has not been going well for him. But frankly it is mental that he has not been found in contempt for what he has done this week. I suppose it is the USAs 1st amendment preventing him being locked up for contempt. He was censured by the judge in court for speaking loudly whilst a witness was giving testimony, not a huge issue except he was trying to say the person on the stand was lying, whilst they were giving testimony.

He has problems in Georgia too where Sidney Powell his mad lawyer has plead guilty on a plea deal to trying to overturn the election result in that state, she has been given 6 years probation and will be compelled to testify against Trump if called by the prosecution, but given their strong case that might not have to happen.

It is crazy that he is the republican's front runner for 2024, he could literally be in jail whist contesting the presidency. It would of course test the US legal system as to whether he could become President again but there is precedent for a candidate campaigning from jail before. If he does manage to get into power again it will be a scary world, the worlds largest military machine in the hands of a want-to-be dictator!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

don't just threaten, freakin do it the big orange radge just can't keep his big gub shut Judge threatens to jail Trump for 'blatant' gag order violation - BBC News and do it before someone is killed

A New York judge has threatened Donald Trump with jail for a "blatant violation" of a gag order in his civil fraud trial.

Judge Arthur Engoron said in court that the former president had failed to remove a social media post mocking a clerk at the court.


Judge Engoron demanded Mr Trump take down the "untrue and disparaging" post about the clerk earlier this month.


He said the post was deleted on social media, but remained on his website.


"Incendiary untruths can and have led to serious physical harm," Judge Engoron said on Friday.

[Jones28]

Is it just me that thinks he will never see jail because the fallout would be so seismic that the government would struggle to control it?

[Dan Sarf]

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Is it just me that thinks he will never see jail because the fallout would be so seismic that the government would struggle to control it?

No, crooked Donald thinks that as well.

[Jones28]

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No, crooked Donald thinks that as well.

I want him to, but I just wonder if the authorities are playing the numbers?

[s.a.m]

I've read a lot of commentators suggesting that, if he gets time, he'll serve it under house arrest at Mar a Lago or somewhere, because of the security implications with putting him in a regular jail.