Congestion charges and low emission zones

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Khan has been using a armoured car for 4 years it's provided by police. Boris used the same one. Its nothing to do with would be Robin Hood super assassin groups, that's just Facebook facts
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lan...d-19927900.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...nge-Rover.html

I don't like that this policy effect overwhelmingly poorer people. I'd like a fairer grant like the 7.5k for heatpumps, so people could replace their cars. I'm all for green policies and would go further with banning cars at certain times in the city

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Complete mystery to me why Johnson, a white racist, didn't receive death threats from white racists.

Don't believe GB news rehashes. Khan didn't buy a car it's a police vehicle, boris used one too. Daily Mail tried it too saying the bullet proof car Khan has been provided will be exempt from charges. They don't mention that's because it meets omission standards to be exempt

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12447855/amp/Sadiq-Khan-wont-pay-ULEZ-charge-London-mayors-taxpayer-funded-luxury-2020-Range-Rover-exempt-12-50-day-fee.html

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Oh really?

I am not a Scientist, I am just getting my information from the hundreds of YouTube videos currently available on the internet during this period when the topic is hottest.

According to this researcher here, air pollution went from 2.3 at ground level, to 313.50 at underground level.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/84vXwaNO5qY

Does this mean that Electric vehicles might not be as healthy as we think?

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Don't believe GB news rehashes. Khan didn't buy a car it's a police vehicle, boris used one too. Daily Mail tried it too saying the bullet proof car Khan has been provided will be exempt from charges. They don't mention that's because it meets omission standards to be exempt

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...0-day-fee.html

Khan's been receiving death threats throughout his time as Mayor. Nothing to do with Ulez. I guess it's to do with what football team he supports, something like that.

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Khan's been receiving death threats throughout his time as Mayor. Nothing to do with Ulez. I guess it's to do with what football team he supports, something like that.

I'm sure he has but as you say nowt to do with ULEZ and boris also used the same vehicle anyway

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Sadiq Khan spent an insane amount of taxpayers money to get his favourite Science institution to file a report on car pollution. The report he received suited his agenda. However another department of the same institution tested this theory, and came to the conclusion that in actual fact the ULEZ scheme would be useless. Sadiq Khan tried to bribe the institution with yet more insane amounts of taxpayers money to change the wording, but the institution refused. So what did Sadiq Khan do? He tore up the report from the Scientists of this institution that said the ULEZ scheme would not save lives, and proceeded with the debunked report from the same institution which said the ULEZ would save lives.



Now whether or not the Scientists of this institution are correct or incorrect is not my point. My point is that the Scientific institution which Sadiq Khan is using as proof of his cause, do not actually share the views Sadiq Khan is citing.

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Khan's been receiving death threats throughout his time as Mayor. Nothing to do with Ulez. I guess it's to do with what football team he supports, something like that.

Maybe it is because some believe him to be a racist? Such as recently when a picture of a White family appeared on his Website under the headline, "White people do not represent Londoners".

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Talk TV, GB news? This where we are going now?


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Talk TV, GB news? This where we are going now?

Concrete's in the news. It's only natural that Mike Graham's being consulted for his expertise.

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Talk TV, GB news? This where we are going now?


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I'd believe the readings from my tea leaves before that lot.

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Talk TV, GB news? This where we are going now?


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It has all been written in MSM. But those are in written form.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2396312.html

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"I know nothing"

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It has all been written in MSM. But those are in written form.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2396312.html

I can't quite see what is the main point you're making in this thread.
Is it that (a) cars don't pollute (b) old cars don't pollute more than new cars (c) Khan is corrupt (d) if two scientists disagree one of them is corrupt?

Don't get 'the poorest people suffer the most from ULEZ' argument as the poorest people don't have cars.

Farage and The Daily Telegraph are full of ****.

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Khan has been using a armoured car for 4 years it's provided by police. Boris used the same one. Its nothing to do with would be Robin Hood super assassin groups, that's just Facebook facts
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lan...d-19927900.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...nge-Rover.html

I don't like that this policy effect overwhelmingly poorer people. I'd like a fairer grant like the 7.5k for heatpumps, so people could replace their cars. I'm all for green policies and would go further with banning cars at certain times in the city

The UK government stopped the ev grants, but you can get an interest free loan in Scotland.


https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/grants-and-loans/used-electric-vehicle-loan/

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Don't get 'the poorest people suffer the most from ULEZ' argument as the poorest people don't have cars.

I think the point is the poor people who don’t have cars and can’t afford to live in the nice clean Ulez zones pay with their lives and die early, if you read the linked unep article it’s not really about the UK.

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I can't quite see what is the main point you're making in this thread.
Is it that (a) cars don't pollute (b) old cars don't pollute more than new cars (c) Khan is corrupt (d) if two scientists disagree one of them is corrupt?

Don't get 'the poorest people suffer the most from ULEZ' argument as the poorest people don't have cars.

Farage and The Daily Telegraph are full of ****.

I am not making any point. I never form concrete opinions and am always changing my opinions with every new bit of information. I am simply sharing what I am reading or watching, and all sides of the argument should be considered.

I think I might be bordering upon opposing the current ULEZ schemes however, especially the one in London. I am more supportive of the Scottish ones as those are not cash grabs, however I am looking forward to seeing how much consensus changes in Scotland should our councils decide to expand the schemes city wide any time in the next few years.

I doubt citizens in Muirhouse, Niddrie, Wester Hailes, Pilton, Drylaw would be quite so happy to wake up tomorrow to find out it is £60 to turn their ignition key on, as those in the City Centre appear to be.

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I think the point is the poor people who don’t have cars and can’t afford to live in the nice clean Ulez zones pay with their lives and die early, if you read the linked article it’s not really about the UK.

Yes I get that, I'm objecting to the idea that ULEZ charging is unfair on the poorest people.

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Yes I get that, I'm objecting to the idea that ULEZ charging is unfair on the poorest people.

Our poorest people are currently living in hotels such as the once posh Almond House Lodge in Silverknowes. The Firth of Forth is their back garden and Silverknowes beach their place for recreation. Car pollution does not exist here.
https://theferret.scot/meet-the-peop...eless-hostels/

Even illegal immigrants are getting put up in four star hotels.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-taxpayer.html

Could you afford to live by the beach in a four or five star hotel?

Also, how much pollution does Essex, Sussex, Surrey, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Kent, get compared to Central London? Because all those areas out in the sticks, as Ronnie and Reggie would have referred to them as being, are also effected by the ULEZ expansion.

It takes not much research whatsoever to conclude that the local residents of those areas are arguing "but we don't have pollution out here".

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Our poorest people are currently living in hotels such as the once posh Almond House Lodge in Silverknowes. The Firth of Forth is their back garden and Silverknowes beach their place for recreation. Car pollution does not exist here.
https://theferret.scot/meet-the-peop...eless-hostels/

Even illegal immigrants are getting put up in four star hotels.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-taxpayer.html

Could you afford to live by the beach in a four or five star hotel?

Also, how much pollution does Essex, Sussex, Surrey, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Kent, get compared to Central London? Because all those areas out in the sticks, as Ronnie and Reggie would have referred to them as being, are also effected by the ULEZ expansion.

It takes not much research whatsoever to conclude that the local residents of those areas are arguing "but we don't have pollution out here".

Almond house 4 or 5 star?


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Could you afford to live by the beach in a four or five star hotel?

No. But I was so envious of what I read in your link about the Almond House Lodge that I'm now planning on going to France, which I could afford, crossing the channel in a small boat and claiming asylum. If I see Farage on the beach should I give him your regards?

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The UK government stopped the ev grants, but you can get an interest free loan in Scotland.


https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/grants-and-loans/used-electric-vehicle-loan/

It's disproportionately the poorest 20% that have the old non compliant cars. 20% of the uk are living in poverty. They will be finding it hard to heat and eat right now. A 5 figure loan for a used car is a dream to most, even if they passed the credit check. Its a great deal for us that are very fortunate to be able to afford to buy a car in this climate

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It's disproportionately the poorest 20% that have the old non compliant cars. 20% of the uk are living in poverty. They will be finding it hard to heat and eat right now. A 5 figure loan for a used car is a dream to most, even if they passed the credit check. Its a great deal for us that are very fortunate to be able to afford to buy a car in this climate

Exactly! That is my point. It is not all about how fortunate we are, but what about those less fortunate than us!

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With the amount of Haulage firms not paying their ULEZ charges in London just now, and instead taking their chances in court, which will mean bankrupcy for them should they lose their court cases, how on earth is London going to get their imports and exports? I assume that Sadiq Khan must have already thought of this? There obviously must be some International Giant Haulage Corporation ready to step in and replace the local Hauliers with fleets of compliant lorries with Green coloured trees sketched on the sides. I just hope this corporation's name is something less cheesy than Deliveroo.

Apparently Eddie Stobart is also up in arms, with many haulage firms threatening strike action.
https://motortransport.co.uk/blog/20...-backs-london/

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I am not a Scientist, I am just getting my information from the hundreds of YouTube videos currently available on the internet during this period when the topic is hottest.

According to this researcher here, air pollution went from 2.3 at ground level, to 313.50 at underground level.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/84vXwaNO5qY

Does this mean that Electric vehicles might not be as healthy as we think?

I'm not a scientist either but without studying the University of YouTube, I'd take a stab in the dark and say that there is more air pollution in the underground because pollutants and fine particles are heavier than air and with the help of gravity they will effectively be sucked into the underground which is a confined space and thus increasing the pollution density.

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With the amount of Haulage firms not paying their ULEZ charges in London just now, and instead taking their chances in court, which will mean bankrupcy for them should they lose their court cases, how on earth is London going to get their imports and exports? I assume that Sadiq Khan must have already thought of this? There obviously must be some International Giant Haulage Corporation ready to step in and replace the local Hauliers with fleets of compliant lorries with Green coloured trees sketched on the sides. I just hope this corporation's name is something less cheesy than Deliveroo.

Apparently Eddie Stobart is also up in arms, with many haulage firms threatening strike action.
https://motortransport.co.uk/blog/20...-backs-london/

https://www.scania.com/uk/en/home/products/attributes/electrification.html?cid=sep-487151&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxuCnBhDLARIsAB-cq1qoaCYd7A3Ebkbvmw-15CSNP44mYH2MeIFEr0QKpZNkk2TEBgK7S3QaAiLOEALw_wcB


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It's almost like someone has already thought of it 😂

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It's almost like someone has already thought of it 😂

First one says 150 mile range with a 65t load. Not there yet.

I'd do what other cities that have banned cars are doing. Haulage hubs on outskirts then transported by electric cargo bikes, this could be replicated with electric van if allowing green vehicles though

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Let's face it, we're ****ed. If people get their "facts" from Talk TV, GB News and unverified YouTube videos, we might as well all pack up and go home.

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Let's face it, we're ****ed. If people get their "facts" from Talk TV, GB News and unverified YouTube videos, we might as well all pack up and go home.

The problem is with making sweeping statements against platforms as a whole, is it is hard to gather which claims you're denying. Are you denying "all" the claims?

Are you denying that five councils in Greater London took Sadiq Khan to court, and since Sadiq Khan won the court case, the five councils have refused Sadiq Khan permission to erect ULEZ signs up in their areas, leading to a loophole that drivers can exploit?

If citizens of Greater London are happy with the ULEZ expansion, then why are their councils fighting tooth and nail against Sadiq Khan? This is also Main stream news.

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The problem is with making sweeping statements against platforms as a whole, is it is hard to gather which claims you're denying. Are you denying "all" the claims?

Are you denying that five councils in Greater London took Sadiq Khan to court, and since Sadiq Khan won the court case, the five councils have refused Sadiq Khan permission to erect ULEZ signs up in their areas, leading to a loophole that drivers can exploit?

If citizens of Greater London are happy with the ULEZ expansion, then why are their councils fighting tooth and nail against Sadiq Khan? This is also Main stream news.

Think for yourself.

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Let's face it, we're ****ed. If people get their "facts" from Talk TV, GB News and unverified YouTube videos, we might as well all pack up and go home.

To be fair it was the University of YouTube graduates that kept us right during the pandemic.