SNP are lying b******s as well !

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It's 17.5 over 2 years, so 8.75. A cut both years, after they have dropped 26% in real terms in 12 years. Still a world away from Englands derisory offers defo

I think we all agree on that ?

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Haven’t you read the drugs thread? Comparisons with England are a constant in Scottish politics.


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That doesn't make it a good thing. It's not relevant to me if the NHS waiting time is two weeks longer in Manchester.

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That doesn't make it a good thing. It's not relevant to me if the NHS waiting time is two weeks longer in Manchester.

Glad you agree with the majority of us on here regardless of if they want independence or not

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That doesn't make it a good thing. It's not relevant to me if the NHS waiting time is two weeks longer in Manchester.

And yet.

https://twitter.com/stvnews/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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And yet.

https://twitter.com/stvnews/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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Brutal, brutal, brutal. I can't believe the neck of the Tories trying to make an issue of it all. They don't give a monkey's about the issues that encourage problem drug use.

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And yet.

https://twitter.com/stvnews/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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I don't see the relationship to what I posted.

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Haven’t you read the drugs thread? Comparisons with England are a constant in my posts


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FTFY

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FTFY

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In fairness we shouldn't compare with England as it is to all intents and independent nation. We can't really compare with anywhere. And as the devolved government is just the UK government in Scottish form, does it really matter?

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Not really. I love England. It’s a great place but more importantly, having spent 10 years in Oz, most of my mates are English(sounds weird). They’re a great lot.


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That doesn't make it a good thing. It's not relevant to me if the NHS waiting time is two weeks longer in Manchester.

How is it not relevant. Two systems that have the same origins, were the same system for decades and one is almost fully dependent on how much the other gets funded. Of course comparisons will be made.

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How is it not relevant. Two systems that have the same origins, were the same system for decades and one is almost fully dependent on how much the other gets funded. Of course comparisons will be made.

It's not relevant to me if I'm waiting for care.

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It's not relevant to me if I'm waiting for care.

Well here’s hoping your in Scotland.


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Not sure what thread but it's Glasgow Council.

3000 old cars fined in Glasgows LEZ in first month
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...BCScotlandNews

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Not sure what thread but it's Glasgow Council.

3000 old cars fined in Glasgows LEZ in first month
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...BCScotlandNews

Good. Money that might be put to good causes.

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Well here’s hoping your in Scotland.


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This is where tribalism corrodes normal politics.

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But why are you comparing to England?

The pay offer in Scotland is significantly more than is being offered to junior doctors in England. That's why the strike has been called off north of the border but is going ahead in England.

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The pay offer in Scotland is significantly more than is being offered to junior doctors in England. That's why the strike has been called off north of the border but is going ahead in England.

I know that. But why are you obsessing on England.

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It's not relevant to me if I'm waiting for care.

How is overall performance not relevant if you're waiting for care? Especially if where you're waiting is mostly dependant on somewhere else.

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It's not relevant to me if I'm waiting for care.

I could have swore you are normally willing to comment on things that don’t necessarily affect you personally, Archie.

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I know that. But why are you obsessing on England.

Because Scotland's financing of the NHS is dependent on England's.

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How is overall performance not relevant if you're waiting for care? Especially if where you're waiting is mostly dependant on somewhere else.

Because politicos use it to deflect from issues affecting people in Scotland. If a waiting list is longer in England that makes no difference to my waiting time here.

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Because Scotland's financing of the NHS is dependent on England's.

To a point - block grant expenditure decisions are made here.

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I could have swore you are normally willing to comment on things that don’t necessarily affect you personally, Archie.

I'm not sure I understand your point?

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The Scottish Government is the devolution of the UK state. If it's failing, the UK is failing.

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Because politicos use it to deflect from issues affecting people in Scotland. If a waiting list is longer in England that makes no difference to my waiting time here.

Yes, I bet if waiting times were shorter in England we would never hear about it.


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To a point - block grant expenditure decisions are made here.

Yes, we get to decide within limits what we do with our pocket money. But there's more to running the NHS than money and we don't have the levers to control those things.

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Yes, we get to decide within limits what we do with our pocket money. But there's more to running the NHS than money and we don't have the levers to control those things.

Scot gov budget covers the majority of the finance we use in Scotland. Also income tax alone covers about 35% of GDP. We also get about 20% per head of population to spend than England. To downplay it and say its pennies is a good tactic as it takes away responsibility but its silly imo.

Yes we should have all the budget but we don't just now simple as. We get a large part of the budget to sort ourselves. If a party says we're unable to work this budget then they should move over and let someone else do it. Yes it's unfair ect ect but it is what it is in the meantime

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Scot gov budget covers the majority of the finance we use in Scotland. Also income tax alone covers about 35% of GDP. We also get about 20% per head of population to spend than England. To downplay it and say its pennies is a good tactic as it takes away responsibility but its silly imo.

Yes we should have all the budget but we don't just now simple as. We get a large part of the budget to sort ourselves. If a party says we're unable to work this budget then they should move over and let someone else do it. Yes it's unfair ect ect but it is what it is in the meantime

Money is only half the story. Scotland has an NHS staff shortage of over 7000, with those retiring leaving not being replaced. The Tories and Labour are both determined to continue down Brexit Avenue and the Scottish Government are forced to follow. They have no say in immigration, employment law, visas or citizenship, how on earth can they be expected to fill those vacancies without being able to widen the recruitment pool? NHS staff do an amazing job under the circumstances, but they can't continue to do the jobs of those missing from the system indefinitely, something has to give and sadly that's the staff themselves which only compounds the problems.