Missing submersible

***HibeeSince85*** · 21-06-2023 07:29 PM

They've been down there now three days is it? It's pitch black I'm guessing down there, probably really cold, was there emergency water on board? Probably no food, little sleep if any. If they're alive you'd think they will already be in a bad way with no end to the nightmare. Grim situation to be in, probably one of my worst nightmares.

***Sylar*** · 21-06-2023 07:42 PM

An utterly horrific way to go - I can't think of a worse way personally.

Don't reckon they'll find them now - even with the recent 'noises'.

***Hibernian Verse*** · 21-06-2023 07:58 PM

Supposedly it’s 4 degrees in the sub at those depths when it’s working normally. Will be even colder. I’d hoped they’d find them today, pretty sure it’s over for them as they don’t even know how to get them to the surface yet.

***Pagan Hibernia*** · 21-06-2023 10:28 PM

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They've been down there now three days is it? It's pitch black I'm guessing down there, probably really cold, was there emergency water on board? Probably no food, little sleep if any. If they're alive you'd think they will already be in a bad way with no end to the nightmare. Grim situation to be in, probably one of my worst nightmares.

it really doesn’t get much worse than what you’ve described. A truly desperate end for them. Still hoping there might be a miracle.

***stu in nottingham*** · 21-06-2023 11:36 PM

I feel there is still hope. BBC reports indicate that further noises have been heard. Perhaps even more significantly they have been heard at 30-minute intervals which according to an Australian submarine expert is 'highly unlikely to be anything other than human-related'. There is apparently a protocol for alerting rescuers in that every hour and half-hour trapped submariners make as much noise as possible.

A system of possible salvage of the submersible has now been spoken of. The US Navy apparently has a deep ocean salvage system which can send a line down to a depth of 20,000ft with the Titanic wreckage estimated depth at 12,500ft. The system has been used successfuly to salvage small aeroplanes small boats

Others talk of the possible conservation of oxygen by breathing techniques which could take the crew beyond the precious hours supply estimated.

There is so much to do and the odds may be against a successful rescue but I still feel there is some genuine hope for the crew. God bless them.

**LunasBoots** · 22-06-2023 01:31 AM

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I doubt suffocating to death is painless, tbh. Not to mention the emotional pain for the previous 72 hours.

It doesn't get a huge deal worse than this for my money

Carbon monoxide would get them pretty quick so I'd imagine it would be pretty painless at that point as they'd be unconscious.

***Allant1981*** · 22-06-2023 07:08 AM

Some of the responses on here are quite disgusting, regardless of their wealth they are still human beings with families, hope these people are found but looking unlikely

***Hibernia&Alba*** · 22-06-2023 10:22 AM

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Some of the responses on here are quite disgusting, regardless of their wealth they are still human beings with families, hope these people are found but looking unlikely

That should go without saying. Their personal circumstances are irrelevant to their situation; one in which all the money in the world can't help them. It's a terrible fate.

***Sylar*** · 22-06-2023 10:53 AM

I feel there's two strands of discussion throughout this thread - I don't think people are being 'heartless' or 'disgusting' around the fate of these particular individuals.

There IS a valid conversation to be had about the extent of resources, time and effort that's being put into finding them (and the media coverage it's all receiving) compared to other ocean-based tragedies. There was a boat sank yesterday making its way from West Africa to the Canaries - people fleeing war, destitution and poverty in search of a better life - 35 dead and it didn't even get onto the BBC front page. Because the Government-supporting rhetoric from the BBC (and other media outets) is that these people don't matter worth a **** - but these extremely privileged individuals who signed up voluntarily for an extremely risky venture on an un-certified vessel are receiving wall to wall coverage, with navy, air force, scientific organisations, charity organisations all scrambling to help them.

Their wealth doesn't mean they're not deserving of sympathy, but equally, it shouldn't give them some kind of priority status when something goes wrong.

***Stairway 2 7*** · 22-06-2023 11:11 AM

More effort resources and media coverage went to the boys in the Thai cave, so it isn't about wealth as they were poor. Its just like the cave an unusual situation playing out in real time. There is zero link to other ocean tragedies that happen daily

**Pretty Boy** · 22-06-2023 11:23 AM

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More effort resources and media coverage went to the boys in the Thai cave, so it isn't about wealth as they were poor. Its just like the cave an unusual situation playing out in real time. There is zero link to other ocean tragedies that happen daily

Surely there is a clear link in that the response to one ocean tragedy is directly comparable to the response to another?

Tbh I get why governments, the military and private companies are all over this one. It's high profile and they can bask in the glory of a successful rescue and lose nothing if the rescue is unsuccessful. There just isn't same upside when it comes to rescuing a 'swarm of illegals' who have a hateful rhetoric aimed at them even among mainstream politicians and press.

***lapsedhibee*** · 22-06-2023 11:24 AM

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More effort resources and media coverage went to the boys in the Thai cave, so it isn't about wealth as they were poor. Its just like the cave an unusual situation playing out in real time. There is zero link to other ocean tragedies that happen daily

Sure 'man bites dog' is more 'newsworthy' than 'dog bites man' but if dogs are biting men every day and a lot are dying, like in the migrant boats situation, there's a decent case for the more common thing to be higher up the agenda than the one-off.incident. And the boat crossings happen in real time too, not just the Titan salvage op.

***Scouse Hibee*** · 22-06-2023 11:25 AM

Having read about the size, design and very limited viewing from this submersible, I struggle to comprehend how anyone would actually want to go in it below the ocean. I fear they may never be recovered.

***Sylar*** · 22-06-2023 11:35 AM

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More effort resources and media coverage went to the boys in the Thai cave, so it isn't about wealth as they were poor. Its just like the cave an unusual situation playing out in real time. There is zero link to other ocean tragedies that happen daily

I'd love a source for that if you've got one? I'm not attempting to be arsey with that ask but I'd find it very surprising given how the BBC has been handling the Titan situation the last 3 or 4 days. A full running live commentary section, an entire section of related videos, articles being hosted on their home page...I genuinely don't remember anywhere near that with the Thai Cave situation, so I'd love to know where you've gotten that from and read it.

Of course there's a link to other ocean tragedies. I don't feel the need to add to what PB or lapsed have already said in response to that though.

***Hibernia&Alba*** · 22-06-2023 12:00 PM

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I feel there's two strands of discussion throughout this thread - I don't think people are being 'heartless' or 'disgusting' around the fate of these particular individuals.

There IS a valid conversation to be had about the extent of resources, time and effort that's being put into finding them (and the media coverage it's all receiving) compared to other ocean-based tragedies. There was a boat sank yesterday making its way from West Africa to the Canaries - people fleeing war, destitution and poverty in search of a better life - 35 dead and it didn't even get onto the BBC front page. Because the Government-supporting rhetoric from the BBC (and other media outets) is that these people don't matter worth a **** - but these extremely privileged individuals who signed up voluntarily for an extremely risky venture on an un-certified vessel are receiving wall to wall coverage, with navy, air force, scientific organisations, charity organisations all scrambling to help them.

Their wealth doesn't mean they're not deserving of sympathy, but equally, it shouldn't give them some kind of priority status when something goes wrong.

Very good post. Taking the submersible situation in isolation, it's a human tragedy and an unusual story. Media coverage of the event to such an extent is an interesting debate about the biases and inclinations of our media. It's a 'Hollywood' type story, much more glamorous than refugees drowning in far greater numbers.

***Jones28*** · 22-06-2023 12:06 PM

The American Coastguard have said the oxygen has now run out.

***Hibbyradge*** · 22-06-2023 12:38 PM

If submarines were disappearing every day, there wouldn't be as much cover as this tragedy is getting.

It's like the mass shootings that happen in the US. We only hear about a small percentage of them and even then, the coverage is limited.

That doesn't mean the deaths are any less tragic, it's just because it's such a regular occurrence that we've become immune to them, if that's the right expression.

Monday was the 189th day of 2023. Using your knowledge of news reporting on the issue, guess how many mass shootings there had been by then.

Then look it up.

Edit: I'm not trying to post clickbait. I just think doing it that way illustrates the point better.

***Sylar*** · 22-06-2023 12:51 PM

Turns out that one of those trapped on board this thing is an undergraduate student in my faculty at Strathclyde. I haven't taught him, hadn't encountered him at all, but it certainly brings it a bit closer to home than I thought it ever would be.

***Sylar*** · 22-06-2023 12:55 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65984821

Thought I'd include a link to the Strathclyde side of the story.

***Stairway 2 7*** · 22-06-2023 02:06 PM

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I'd love a source for that if you've got one? I'm not attempting to be arsey with that ask but I'd find it very surprising given how the BBC has been handling the Titan situation the last 3 or 4 days. A full running live commentary section, an entire section of related videos, articles being hosted on their home page...I genuinely don't remember anywhere near that with the Thai Cave situation, so I'd love to know where you've gotten that from and read it.

Of course there's a link to other ocean tragedies. I don't feel the need to add to what PB or lapsed have already said in response to that though.

I haven't got a link to say media coverage is bigger, but my opinion is it was much bigger. Remember Elon Musk saying he wanted to send a submersible and then calling the brave diver apedo. Maybe I'm pulled that way because everything that happened post rescue, visiting old Trafford, Oscar winning documentary then Ron Howard movie the year after ( both great)

***Sylar*** · 22-06-2023 02:19 PM

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I haven't got a link to say media coverage is bigger, but my opinion is it was much bigger. Remember Elon Musk saying he wanted to send a submersible and then calling the brave diver apedo. Maybe I'm pulled that way because everything that happened post rescue, visiting old Trafford, Oscar winning documentary then Ron Howard movie the year after ( both great)

I remember the fall out quite clearly with Musk etc, but not so much the actual rescue at the time. Don't get me wrong, I do remember the rescue taking place etc, but I can't recall that same magnitude of coverage. It was a while ago though and perhaps I just wasn't paying attention.

***overdrive*** · 22-06-2023 02:48 PM

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Having read about the size, design and very limited viewing from this submersible, I struggle to comprehend how anyone would actually want to go in it below the ocean. I fear they may never be recovered.

Quite. Especially combined with the contents of the waiver they are made to sign.

***overdrive*** · 22-06-2023 03:21 PM

I guess (sadly) we'll never know but I wonder how the other 4 reacted to the CEO when he made them aware they were up the brown creek, assuming it wasn't an instant death scenario.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 22-06-2023 04:03 PM

sad

BREAKINGDebris field found - US Coast Guard

A debris field has been discovered within the search area by an ROV near the Titanic, the US Coast Guard has just announced.
Experts within the unified command are evaluating the information.
We will bring you more details shortly.

A statement from the Coast Guard says the Horizon Arctic’s ROV (remotely operated vehicle) found debris on the sea floor near the Titanic wreck

***Trinity Hibee*** · 22-06-2023 04:58 PM

An expert on sky news in the studio has just had a text from someone on one of the rescue ships saying it’s the debri of the sub. Not unexpected but weird seeing the guy get the text live on tv and reading it out

***Hibbyradge*** · 22-06-2023 05:25 PM

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I remember the fall out quite clearly with Musk etc, but not so much the actual rescue at the time. Don't get me wrong, I do remember the rescue taking place etc, but I can't recall that same magnitude of coverage. It was a while ago though and perhaps I just wasn't paying attention.

There was a huge amount of coverage. We even had live TV from the rescue area, iirc.

The time difference may have caused some people to miss the live reporting, but the papers and news programmes went big on it.

***500miles*** · 22-06-2023 05:28 PM

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sad

BREAKINGDebris field found - US Coast Guard

A debris field has been discovered within the search area by an ROV near the Titanic, the US Coast Guard has just announced.
Experts within the unified command are evaluating the information.
We will bring you more details shortly.

A statement from the Coast Guard says the Horizon Arctic’s ROV (remotely operated vehicle) found debris on the sea floor near the Titanic wreck

If they found debris then they died instantly. The pressure that far down will turn you to soup, never mind crush you.