Scottish Independence

[Steven79]

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If Scotland becomes independent. It won't be via any legal routes, as there are no legal routes to independence.

Just because it won't be seen as being legal in the eyes of the UK dosen't mean it won't be seen as legal in the rest of the world.

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[147lothian]

One thing is for sure the best vehicle for Scottish Independence is not the snp, they treated supporters like mugs with the indyref2 funds, then look what happened first the wheels came off the motorhome then the doors fell off, and the horn went weh weh.

[Skol]

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If Scotland becomes independent. It won't be via any legal routes, as there are no legal routes to independence.

The vote in 2014 was legal.

[grunt]

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The vote in 2014 was legal.

Indeed. Sadly we're not "allowed" to have another legal vote.

[Skol]

Build the support and there will be another referendum

[weecounty hibby]

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Build the support and there will be another referendum

The support is there and that is exactly why there won't be another referendum. It was granted(still can't believe folk hear that and think it's ok) in 2014 because the unionists didn't believe for a minute that it would be successful

[Steven79]

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Build the support and there will be another referendum

Just like the brexit referendum then...

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[degenerated]

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Build the support and there will be another referendum

Like winning elections?

[JimBHibees]

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Build the support and there will be another referendum

Says no one in any power at Westminster either red or blue.

[Since90+2]

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Build the support and there will be another referendum

Do you genuinely believe the Unionist parties will allow a referendum when all the evidence points to them losing the vote?

Of course not, I don't think even you believe that.

[Ozyhibby]

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Do you genuinely believe the Unionist parties will allow a referendum when all the evidence points to them losing the vote?

Of course not, I don't think even you believe that.

They don’t which is why they don’t say it.


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This is absolutely incredible to listen to.

Yesterday's Scottish Affairs Committee at Westminster, twat Allister Jack reads out a long list of times when SG ministers have spoken to overseas Governments about "reserved matters".

It's a list of times when SG ministers have said that "Brexit is crap". And he thinks they shouldn't be saying this??

https://twitter.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1668277706591444992?s=20

[Keith_M]

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aint that a fact

Yeah, but can you really trust the word of someone who studied at a place called Brasenose College?

[Mibbes Aye]

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Yeah, but can you really trust the word of someone who studied at a place called Brasenose College?

I used to enjoy reading his work in the Guardian, in the 1990s and up to about the time of the millenium. He wrote well on globalisation and environmentalism and he was brilliant on raising awareness of human rights abuses in Timor, I think - which ultimately led to the Australian Defence Force going in and restoring order.

Over the years he has descended somewhat into self-parody though. I also remember him in 2010, when he was butterflying about from supporting the Greens to Plaid Cymru and finally settling on the Lib Dems and saying people should vote for them at the GE that year. Thanks for that George, another enabler of the Coalition government.......

[TrumpIsAPeado]

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Build the support and there will be another referendum

Support comes with momentum. Momentum that would come with the commitment to another independence referendum. By effectively refusing to commit to another independence referendum, Westminster prevents further momentum from building. The last thing they want is a repeat of the previous campaign when support went up from around 25% up to 45%. No referendum commitment = no campaign.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Support comes with momentum. Momentum that would come with the commitment to another independence referendum. By effectively refusing to commit to another independence referendum, Westminster prevents further momentum from building. The last thing they want is a repeat of the previous campaign when support went up from around 25% up to 45%. No referendum commitment = no campaign.

“Blame the English”.

See what I did there? I saved you 54 words

[Skol]

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Do you genuinely believe the Unionist parties will allow a referendum when all the evidence points to them losing the vote?

Of course not, I don't think even you believe that.

Yep, of course. If we see sustained polling in favour then Westminster will not be able to refuse. Right now we see occasional and short term small majorities in favour.

[Skol]

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Support comes with momentum. Momentum that would come with the commitment to another independence referendum. By effectively refusing to commit to another independence referendum, Westminster prevents further momentum from building. The last thing they want is a repeat of the previous campaign when support went up from around 25% up to 45%. No referendum commitment = no campaign.

Why should Westminster build momentum for independence. That’s about the most stupid thing I have read on here. It’s for the snp to build momentum.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

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Why should Westminster build momentum for independence. That’s about the most stupid thing I have read on here. It’s for the snp to build momentum.

They shouldn't. But it's clear that their motive for refusing to commit to another referendum anytime in the future is to prevent a revitalisation of the YES Campaign. Support for Scottish Independence never would have grown to the level that it did if a referendum hadn't been committed to in the first place. Westminster won't want to make that mistake ever again.

[Kato]

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“Blame the English”.

See what I did there? I saved you 54 words

I see what you did.

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[JimBHibees]

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Yep, of course. If we see sustained polling in favour then Westminster will not be able to refuse. Right now we see occasional and short term small majorities in favour.

Westminster have refused what would stop them doing it again.

[Skol]

Of course they could keep saying no. Clearly we will never agree on this as it suits your view to keep saying there is no legal route

It’s my opinion but I don’t believe Westminster could keep saying no If a clear and sustained majority are in favour.

Right now for the most part it’s less than 50% and so they are right to say no.

[Since90+2]

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Of course they could keep saying no. Clearly we will never agree on this as it suits your view to keep saying there is no legal route

It’s my opinion but I don’t believe Westminster could keep saying no If a clear and sustained majority are in favour.

Right now for the most part it’s less than 50% and so they are right to say no.

Westminster parties have a history of calling votes they think they are going to lose, do they?

[Hibrandenburg]

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Of course they could keep saying no. Clearly we will never agree on this as it suits your view to keep saying there is no legal route

It’s my opinion but I don’t believe Westminster could keep saying no If a clear and sustained majority are in favour.

Right now for the most part it’s less than 50% and so they are right to say no.

So there is a legal route, but only if Westminster decides to allow it. Glad we've cleared that up.

[Steven79]

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Of course they could keep saying no. Clearly we will never agree on this as it suits your view to keep saying there is no legal route

It’s my opinion but I don’t believe Westminster could keep saying no If a clear and sustained majority are in favour.

Right now for the most part it’s less than 50% and so they are right to say no.

Before the brexit vote did a majority exist for it?

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[Ozyhibby]

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So there is a legal route, but only if Westminster decides to allow it. Glad we've cleared that up.

Yes, we need to convince a majority of English mp’s to vote for it.


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[Steven79]

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Yes, we need to convince a majority of English mp’s to vote for it.


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[Ozyhibby]

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[Since90+2]

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Before the brexit vote did a majority exist for it?

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Check mate.

They thought it was almost guaranteed they'd win the vote. That's what they do.

The only way we are getting a referendum is by electoral chance that the SNP hold the balance of power in a hung parliament.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

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The only way we are getting a referendum is by electoral chance that the SNP hold the balance of power in a hung parliament.

Which wouldn't happen anyway. As the 2 largest parties at Westminster who pretend to be different would simply join forces (like they did in the independence referendum) to ensure the SNP can never hold the balance of power.