Climate change and the impending apocalypse

[Ozyhibby]

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I would have loved it had lorna slater and Humza Yousaf made a joint statement saying Scotland was going ahead with the dsr as agreed by the Scottish Parliament and see what happens.

We can’t break the law. And the law states that Westminster has veto on anything the Scottish Parliament passes. We are not there yet but we are heading to a point where the parliament becomes pointless and all power is taken back to Westminster.


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[overdrive]

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The Government are going to advertise to stop people wishcycling. Putting things like take away boxes and juice cartons in the recycling when they aren't recyclable

https://archive.ph/xui1p

Good, I can point my wife towards that, though I’m not sure what good it will do her. I’m fed up of finding stuff in the recycling that she’s put there that shouldn’t be there. Even though I remind her, I find the same things again and again. Same with stuff in the compost bin. No cooked foods or labels etc and then I see she’s put them in there. “It’s too difficult to remember and then separate stuff” is her retort.

The messaging will be difficult though as I think different councils have different policies on what can and can’t be recycled in their area.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-..._type=web_link

Didn’t see this coming. I’ve always thought I would love an artificial lawn but my wife is dead against. So we still have grass.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Yet another Starmer u-turn. Going green gets a downgrade. By the time the manifesto comes out, will we be able to tell difference from Johnson’s 2019 manifesto?


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[danhibees1875]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-..._type=web_link

Didn’t see this coming. I’ve always thought I would love an artificial lawn but my wife is dead against. So we still have grass.


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This crops up on my twitter often, usually people moaning about how bad they look (they don't look bad, but it suits their narrative to say so).

I find it hard to believe that relatively small areas have that big an impact, and they're not exactly massively popular either. I have proper grass and have no immediate desire to change that but my parents have artifical as they weren't able to keep up with the maintenance of lawn whilst seeking to keep a tidy and useable area (not the wild flower, uncut meadow that's often cited as the best use of the space).

I don't think banning it is a proportional response to the issue.

[cabbageandribs1875]

you can check here if your car is ok for any LEZ areas in Scotland https://www.lowemissionzones.scot/ve...ration-checker

[wookie70]

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https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Yet another Starmer u-turn. Going green gets a downgrade. By the time the manifesto comes out, will we be able to tell difference from Johnson’s 2019 manifesto?


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Might be a couple of extra Union Jacks on the cover.

What is the point in UK democracy when all that happens is you get a chance to vote for the Labour Party under the guise of the previous Tory administration or vote for an even further right Tory party. The direction of travel is further to the right regardless it is just how many pauses there are before we get to full Nazi. Mind you we are approaching the point there is nothing left to steal or privatise so they will be wanting a left leaning government with massive investment plans to take control so their mates companies can benefit even more.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/greenpeaceuk/sta...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Haymaker]

7 inches of rain in 3 hours in West Point, NY yesterday. Search Twitter for the photos. Crazy.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

UK investment in clean energy falling.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/sta...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

This is incredible. Ukraine put up more windmills than the UK in the last year.


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[Pretty Boy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-66225205

I'm sure this was mentioned earlier on this thread.

Looks like the early results are promising.

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/east-central/foo...from-edinburgh

More good news. I think.


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[AgentDaleCooper]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66229065

The last line is alarming - our aims are now to have a planet that's 'liveable' for 'many'

[Ozyhibby]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66229065

The last line is alarming - our aims are now to have a planet that's 'liveable' for 'many'

https://twitter.com/ashcowburn/statu...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

I wouldn’t count on Labour taking the tough decisions.


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[Hibrandenburg]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66229065

The last line is alarming - our aims are now to have a planet that's 'liveable' for 'many'

People should be forced to learn chess at an early age. It seems like a high proportion of mankind in incapable of thinking four steps ahead.

[ballengeich]

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https://twitter.com/ashcowburn/statu...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

I wouldn’t count on Labour taking the tough decisions.


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Don't count on any significant political operator anywhere in the world taking tough decisions. All are committed to growing GDP and the Uxbridge bye-election shows that people put their short-term financial interests above longer-term environmental considerations.

The mainstream view is that if we simply replace carbon based energy by something else then we can go back to having an ever-growing population each using more resources every year. We're not doing the replacement anywhere fast enough and even if we were it seems to me to ignore all the other effects homo sapiens is having on the world.

[Stairway 2 7]

Should have went nuclear 20 years ago when lib dems blew it. The greens opposing nuclear so we will burn gas to make up the shortfall. Its not just us Germany decommissioning it's nuclear plants and increasing burning gas and coal to cover it. Look at the fuel prices explosion in Germany and uk then look at France with its nuclear power

There's 30 deaths per terawatt of coal burnt due to accidents and pollution, zero from nuclear. Then obviously tiny emissions. In France's new plants 98% of the nuclear waste will be low lever and safe in a few decades, only 2% of the waste will need stored.

We should be in the position we don't need nuclear waste in 50 years when battery storage improves. In the meantime we'll keep burning fossil fuels.

[Ozyhibby]

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Should have went nuclear 20 years ago when lib dems blew it. The greens opposing nuclear so we will burn gas to make up the shortfall. Its not just us Germany decommissioning it's nuclear plants and increasing burning gas and coal to cover it. Look at the fuel prices explosion in Germany and uk then look at France with its nuclear power

There's 30 deaths per terawatt of coal burnt due to accidents and pollution, zero from nuclear. Then obviously tiny emissions. In France's new plants 98% of the nuclear waste will be low lever and safe in a few decades, only 2% of the waste will need stored.

We should be in the position we don't need nuclear waste in 50 years when battery storage improves. In the meantime we'll keep burning fossil fuels.

Nuclear is a no brainer on every metric except cost. The SG should end its opposition to nuclear power and judge each case on its merits.


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[Moulin Yarns]

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Should have went nuclear 20 years ago when lib dems blew it. The greens opposing nuclear so we will burn gas to make up the shortfall. Its not just us Germany decommissioning it's nuclear plants and increasing burning gas and coal to cover it. Look at the fuel prices explosion in Germany and uk then look at France with its nuclear power

There's 30 deaths per terawatt of coal burnt due to accidents and pollution, zero from nuclear. Then obviously tiny emissions. In France's new plants 98% of the nuclear waste will be low lever and safe in a few decades, only 2% of the waste will need stored.

We should be in the position we don't need nuclear waste in 50 years when battery storage improves. In the meantime we'll keep burning fossil fuels.

Factcheck: deaths due to nuclear accidents. Just chernobyl caused 30 direct deaths and potentially thousands more.

The worst nuclear accident to date is the Chernobyl disaster which occurred in 1986 in Ukraine. The accident killed approximately 30 people directly[23] and damaged approximately $7 billion of property.[citation needed] A study published in 2005 by the World Health Organization estimates that there may eventually be up to 4,000 additional cancer deaths related to the accident among those exposed to significant radiation levels.[24] Radioactive fallout from the accident was concentrated in areas of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia. Other studies have estimated as many as over a million eventual cancer deaths from Chernobyl.[25][26] Estimates of eventual deaths from cancer are highly contested.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

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Factcheck: deaths due to nuclear accidents. Just chernobyl caused 30 direct deaths and potentially thousands more.

The worst nuclear accident to date is the Chernobyl disaster which occurred in 1986 in Ukraine. The accident killed approximately 30 people directly[23] and damaged approximately $7 billion of property.[citation needed] A study published in 2005 by the World Health Organization estimates that there may eventually be up to 4,000 additional cancer deaths related to the accident among those exposed to significant radiation levels.[24] Radioactive fallout from the accident was concentrated in areas of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia. Other studies have estimated as many as over a million eventual cancer deaths from Chernobyl.[25][26] Estimates of eventual deaths from cancer are highly contested.

Yep. Nuclear energy is "safe" until it isn't. And when it isn't, the effects are catastrophic. Scotland neither requires nuclear or coal to meet it's energy requirements. The only reason we still use coal is because the lion share of the energy generated through renewable's is sent to other parts of the UK on the shared grid. If we simply had our own grid, we'd meet our energy requirements multiple times over from renewable's alone.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Factcheck: deaths due to nuclear accidents. Just chernobyl caused 30 direct deaths and potentially thousands more.

The worst nuclear accident to date is the Chernobyl disaster which occurred in 1986 in Ukraine. The accident killed approximately 30 people directly[23] and damaged approximately $7 billion of property.[citation needed] A study published in 2005 by the World Health Organization estimates that there may eventually be up to 4,000 additional cancer deaths related to the accident among those exposed to significant radiation levels.[24] Radioactive fallout from the accident was concentrated in areas of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia. Other studies have estimated as many as over a million eventual cancer deaths from Chernobyl.[25][26] Estimates of eventual deaths from cancer are highly contested.

Year I was born but my figures are from the world health organisation today. Per year 30 deaths from accidents and pollution per terawatt hour of coal. 44,000 twh lasts year from coal so 1,300,000 deaths attributed to it in one year. Nuclear isn't actually 0 it 0.02.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Yep. Nuclear energy is "safe" until it isn't. And when it isn't, the effects are catastrophic. Scotland neither requires nuclear or coal to meet it's energy requirements. The only reason we still use coal is because the lion share of the energy generated through renewable's is sent to other parts of the UK on the shared grid. If we simply had our own grid, we'd meet our energy requirements multiple times over from renewable's alone.

Big pile of made up facts here 😆.

Scotland produces about 50% of its energy consumption from renewables. Some days when the wind is low and its cloudy it can be as low as 5% of the energy through renewables.

Once we master storage we will be OK. Well except for heating our homes and all petrol vehicles, that might take 50 years to change on its own.

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Nuclear is a no brainer on every metric except cost. The SG should end its opposition to nuclear power and judge each case on its merits.


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I think the new rolls Royce factories look great. We would only need 1 and could decommission as soon as we possibly could.

It's isn't that nuclear is perfect its that we are literally burning the planet instead

[Ozyhibby]

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Yep. Nuclear energy is "safe" until it isn't. And when it isn't, the effects are catastrophic. Scotland neither requires nuclear or coal to meet it's energy requirements. The only reason we still use coal is because the lion share of the energy generated through renewable's is sent to other parts of the UK on the shared grid. If we simply had our own grid, we'd meet our energy requirements multiple times over from renewable's alone.

That’s not correct. We don’t have storage for all the energy we produce and there are times when we don’t produce enough and import. None of that is a bad thing although more storage would be good. Being part of larger grids is not a bad thing, even after independence.

Nuclear energy is very very safe. I’m not saying Scotland needs it because it’s very expensive and we have so many other cheaper alternatives but for lots of countries it should be part of the long term solution.


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[Moulin Yarns]

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Year I was born but my figures are from the world health organisation today. Per year 30 deaths from accidents and pollution per terawatt hour of coal. 44,000 twh lasts year from coal so 1,300,000 deaths attributed to it in one year. Nuclear isn't actually 0 it 0.02.

I assume these are deaths directly attributed to the pollution but the longer term effects of radiation mean the actual number of deaths due to radiation is difficult to enumerate.

And that's not taking into account the environmental damage. Soil and water courses polluted for decades if not centuries.

[Kato]

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I assume these are deaths directly attributed to the pollution but the longer term effects of radiation mean the actual number of deaths due to radiation is difficult to enumerate.

And that's not taking into account the environmental damage. Soil and water courses polluted for decades if not centuries.

Uranium mining isn't exactly risk free either.

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[Ozyhibby]

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Uranium mining isn't exactly risk free either.

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No mining is.


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[lapsedhibee]

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We should be in the position we don't need nuclear waste in 50 years

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Nuclear energy is very very safe.

How safe is the waste?

[Ozyhibby]

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I assume these are deaths directly attributed to the pollution but the longer term effects of radiation mean the actual number of deaths due to radiation is difficult to enumerate.

And that's not taking into account the environmental damage. Soil and water courses polluted for decades if not centuries.

There is a whole wiki page on the death toll from Chernobyl.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deat...duced%20cancer.

Given the size of the disaster and the fact that it would be very difficult (almost impossible) for it to happen again, even the upper estimates bring it in a lot safer than other fuels.


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