Scottish Independence

[Mibbes Aye]

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article in todays Herald, i won't believe it until state TV report it

Is Douglas Ross happy to see Scottish economy success?: Ian McConnell | HeraldScotland

Equity investment can be a good thing but it can be truly awful, it depends what we are talking about.

For example, many successful startups may have relied on venture capital to get up and running. Conversely, it was very fashionable for private equity to buy care homes (across the U.K.) twenty years ago. That was often disastrous and led to appalling outcomes.

That’s simply because equity investment is intended to generate profit. You can’t blame it for that, it doesn’t pretend otherwise.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65719108

You can have devolution so long as you do the exact same thing as us.


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https://www.gov.wales/new-drinks-container-return-scheme-2025-will-help-wales-improve-world-leading-recycling-rates

England and Northern Ireland won't collect glass for some reason.

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https://www.gov.wales/new-drinks-container-return-scheme-2025-will-help-wales-improve-world-leading-recycling-rates

England and Northern Ireland won't collect glass for some reason.

And we aren't allowed to, but Wales can.

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Unfortunately the Scottish Government are trying to introduce policy and systems that will improve life and the environment in Scotland that are better than in the rest of the UK, the worst thing is that they're doing it on purpose.

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I don't think glass should be included blanket. Pubs already collect almost 100% of glass, in homes its 74%, in cities its higher. Roadside/bottle bank system is already good

The top 3 countries in Europe for glass recycling rates all have Roadside collection. Only 3 of the top 10 do DRS

European container glass federation say the new DRS scheme could jeopardise a working system
https://m.packaginginsights.com/news...g-systems.html

I believe for plastic bottles and cans it should definitely come in though

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65719108

You can have devolution so long as you do the exact same thing as us.


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https://twitter.com/HumzaYousaf/stat...1YvaOFcqA&s=19


It's all very confusing. The Tories up here demanded that glass was included, then the Tories in England are only allowing Scotland to do this if glass isn't included because of conflicts with the internal market. Yet, at the same time Wales are allowed to include glass within their scheme.

It's almost like this is nothing to do with environmental concerns or internal markets but just the UK putting Scotland in it's place.

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It's almost like this is nothing to do with environmental concerns or internal markets but just the UK putting Scotland in it's place.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65731807

Confirmed that Scotland is allowed to pilot the English scheme with glass excluded. Sounds like the poll tax all over again.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65731807

Confirmed that Scotland is allowed to pilot the English scheme with glass excluded. Sounds like the poll tax all over again.

This is where I couldn't be a politician, if I was yousaf I'd tell them to blow it out their arse.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65731807

Confirmed that Scotland is allowed to pilot the English scheme with glass excluded. Sounds like the poll tax all over again.

Anyone heard from the Labour Party yet? Surely they would want to defend devolution?


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[marinello59]

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This is where I couldn't be a politician, if I was yousaf I'd tell them to blow it out their arse.

Unfortunately Yousaf doesn’t know his arse from his elbow.

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Unfortunately Yousaf doesn’t know his arse from his elbow.

Blow it oot yer elbow doesn't really carry the message as well

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https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...us-devolution/


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[JimBHibees]

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Anyone heard from the Labour Party yet? Surely they would want to defend devolution?


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Nope

[Just Alf]

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https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...us-devolution/


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A conference organised by a very right leaning American organisation, just imagine if a Chinese (or in days gone by) a Russian organisation tried to do similar?

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THE Scottish Labour politicians who forged the devolution settlement would be “horrified” to hear their party’s position on the constitution today, former deputy first minister John Swinney has said.

The SNP MSP told Labour’s constitution spokesperson, Sarah Boyack, that the party’s former “commitment to the concept of self-government in Scotland [was] being shredded in front of our eyes” during a debate in Holyrood.

Keith Brown, the SNP’s depute leader, had tabled a motion calling on the Scottish Parliament to express “alarm at what it sees as the UK Government’s escalating disrespect for the devolved settlement”.

READ MORE: Lorna Slater: UK Government showing 'disregard for devolution' with DRS conditions

Brown’s motion listed a raft of examples of bills which he asked parliament to note were “proceeding without heed to the devolved legislatures”, including the Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill, the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020, and the Elections Act 2022.

It also specifically noted the Sewel Convention, saying that it “is now regularly breached by the UK Government”. This convention says that the Westminster government will “not normally legislate with regard to devolved matters without the consent of the Scottish Parliament”.

Speaking in the debate, former deputy first minister Swinney said there had been talk of cementing the convention in law, but instead “we got some token words that Westminster wouldn’t normally legislate over the heads of the Scottish parliament in the 2016 Scotland Act”.

“But look what’s happened since,” Swinney went on.

“It is now commonplace for this parliament’s views to be ignored by the United Kingdom government. That is not the settlement that was crafted in 1998.

“If we do not wake up to the threat that is coming our way as a consequence of all of this, then we will be witnessing the dismantling of the effective competence of this parliament.”

Swinney recalled having been a member of the House of Commons from 1997 to 2001 and helping to legislate for the creation of the Scottish Parliament.

He mentioned Donald Dewar, Scotland’s first first minister, and Henry McLeish, who he said had done the “heavy lifting”, adding: “I think they would be horrified by what has now become the Labour Party’s opinion in Scotland.”

Swinney said he had previously heard a “commitment to the concept of self-government in Scotland, and that is being shredded in front of our eyes”.


Boyack, Scottish Labour’s constitution spokesperson, accepted part of Brown’s motion, telling Holyrood: “The Tories have put massive pressure on the devolution settlement, particularly following Brexit.”

But she argued that the Scottish and UK governments were not working well together and that was the true issue at play.

Meanwhile, Boyack claimed Labour was focused on “rebuilding our relations with our European neighbours”.

The Scottish Tories’ constitution spokesperson, Donald Cameron, also accepted there was an issue with the Sewel Convention, but did not expand on his reasoning.

“I have no doubt that Sewell is under strain and needs rethinking,” he said.



Instead, the Tory MSP took aim at what he called “loose talk about a full-frontal attack” on devolution from pro-independence politicians.

“This is all they have left,” Cameron said. “The sound you hear is the noise of empty, empty rhetoric. The resounding gong and clanging symbol of nationalist grievance.”

Closing the debate, Independence Minister Jamie Hepburn said that the Sewel Convention was ignored by the UK Government as soon as it was “convenient”.

He also took aim at Labour, telling MSPs: “We have the absurdity of a Labour First Minister of Wales standing up for Scottish devolution more than the Scottish Labour party are prepared to do.”

Putting forward his motion, Brown said it was not just "bolshie Jock grievance mongers, as people like Jacob Rees-Mogg might describe us" that were raising concerns about the undermining of devolution.

"For example, former Labour first minister Henry McLeish, who I think would be appalled by at the absences on the Labour benches tonight, branded Tory moves to curtail Scottish ministerial engagement abroad as an attack on devolution."

Brown called on “all those who believed in devolution from the start and still do to unite and repatriate the power that’s been stolen from this parliament and the people of Scotland”.

In full, the motion read:

Protecting Devolution and the Scottish Parliament.

That the Parliament expresses alarm at what it sees as the UK Government’s escalating disrespect for the devolved settlement; highlights the report of the Parliament's Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, The Impact of Brexit on Devolution, which identified "increased tension within the devolution settlement" since the UK’s departure from the EU; believes that the Sewel Convention is now regularly breached by the UK Government; underlines that legislative consent was withheld by the Scottish Parliament in relation to the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020, the Environment Act 2021, the Subsidy Control Act 2022, the Elections Act 2022, the Nationality and Borders Act 2022 and the Trade (Australia and New Zealand) Act 2023; considers that the Procurement Bill, the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill, the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill, and the Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill are all proceeding without heed to the devolved legislatures; expresses profound disappointment in the use of an order under section 35 of the Scotland Act 1998 to, it considers, veto devolved legislation; expresses alarm at what it sees as the Secretary of State for Scotland's apparent unilateral rewriting of the agreed rules regarding requests for exemptions from the market access principles contained in the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020; considers all of these actions to be part of a pattern of undemocratic behaviour of attacks on the devolution settlement and the Scottish Parliament, and believes that these actions demonstrate the vulnerability of the Scottish Parliament while constituencies like Clackmannanshire and Dunblane, and Scotland as a whole, are under what it sees as UK Government control.


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Apologies, the above is a cut and paste job from the National on todays debate in Holyrood.


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https://twitter.com/thesnp/status/16...dxJXScFNwz8V4A


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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...g-30124853.amp


Tennents says the tories changes to the DRS is unworkable by excluding glass it penalises products in cans.

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...g-30124853.amp


Tennents says the tories changes to the DRS is unworkable by excluding glass it penalises products in cans.

Yousaf said the same thing yesterday. It hurts Scottish producers more than others. As usual.


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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...g-30124853.amp


Tennents says the tories changes to the DRS is unworkable by excluding glass it penalises products in cans.

If tennents move away from aluminium to glass then we all lose, don’t we? Aluminium is best for environment?


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Yousaf said the same thing yesterday. It hurts Scottish producers more than others. As usual.


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Is that not the plan, then they can blame the SNP and claim devolution isn't working. Their pals at the BBC and in print media will help spin it for them.

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Is that not the plan, then they can blame the SNP and claim devolution isn't working. Their pals at the BBC and in print media will help spin it for them.

https://twitter.com/humzayousaf/stat...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

And Labour silent on this attack on Scottish jobs?


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And Labour silent on this attack on Scottish jobs?


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Sarwar won't want to spoil his chances of becoming mayor of Scotland.

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7 of the top 10 glass recyclers in Europe don't have DRS. People unbelievably still buy cans in those that have can DRS.

Glass is a success story in Europe without DRS a good article on it

https://www.euractiv.com/section/ene...e-dont-fix-it/

A deposit on one-way glass packaging is today used in just six EU member states: Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany and Lithuania. In these countries, DRS schemes manage only 5% of the waste glass generated. According to the latest figures, Croatia, Estonia and Lithuania are also among the nine countries with the lowest recycling rates in Europe. In addition, the average cost of the DRS is €213 per tonne of waste collected. The average cost of EPR systems across the same countries is €94 per tonne. A DRS for one-way glass packaging results at best in marginal gains but at a very high cost.

Meanwhile, EPR systems, such as kerbside collections, bottle banks and other single stream glass collection systems, mean that all glass container types are effectively collected and recycled at the end of their life. Eight out of the 11 Member States with a glass recycling rate above 80% operate an EPR-only system

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7 of the top 10 glass recyclers in Europe don't have DRS. People unbelievably still buy cans in those that have can DRS.

Glass is a success story in Europe without DRS a good article on it

https://www.euractiv.com/section/ene...e-dont-fix-it/

A deposit on one-way glass packaging is today used in just six EU member states: Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany and Lithuania. In these countries, DRS schemes manage only 5% of the waste glass generated. According to the latest figures, Croatia, Estonia and Lithuania are also among the nine countries with the lowest recycling rates in Europe. In addition, the average cost of the DRS is €213 per tonne of waste collected. The average cost of EPR systems across the same countries is €94 per tonne. A DRS for one-way glass packaging results at best in marginal gains but at a very high cost.

Meanwhile, EPR systems, such as kerbside collections, bottle banks and other single stream glass collection systems, mean that all glass container types are effectively collected and recycled at the end of their life. Eight out of the 11 Member States with a glass recycling rate above 80% operate an EPR-only system

Which may be good for them but we are managing only 67% recycling for glass so clearly we need to do better.
Eu rates are a good 10% ahead of us.
Everyone talks about saving the environment but as soon as they can see a potential inconvenience there is pushback.


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[Just Alf]

The annoying thing is the Tories in Scotland AND Westminster voted for and intended glass to be included in the DRS scheme... wonder why they've changed their mind re the Scottish one?

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The annoying thing is the Tories in Scotland AND Westminster voted for and intended glass to be included in the DRS scheme... wonder why they've changed their mind re the Scottish one?

Scottish Tories pushed hard for glass to be included. This is all about cutting back on devolution.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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Which may be good for them but we are managing only 67% recycling for glass so clearly we need to do better.
Eu rates are a good 10% ahead of us.
Everyone talks about saving the environment but as soon as they can see a potential inconvenience there is pushback.


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Norways recycling rate rose 20% to 95% after DRS was brought. Glass wasn't included as they think kerbside is better and know the highest rates in Europe are kerbside, it also shot up to 90 odd %

I'm all for anything that works, I'm all for plastic and cans DRS