Climate change and the impending apocalypse

[The_Exile]

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Interested article in the national about the nations pushing hydrogen as a green gas ie China and Qatar

https://archive.ph/72JUP

Hydrogen is not the answer. The vast amounts of electricity required to split hydrogen from oxygen means it has never been a goer, although unsurprisingly, fossil fuel companies love the idea of producing the electricity required for it.

If anyone remembers the year or so we had concept hydrogen cars on Top Gear etc around 15 years ago, this was all funded by a certain petrochemical organisation rather than the car makers themselves. Not hard to work out who would be making the eye watering amounts of cash generating by splitting hydrogen.

[archie]

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Hydrogen is not the answer. The vast amounts of electricity required to split hydrogen from oxygen means it has never been a goer, although unsurprisingly, fossil fuel companies love the idea of producing the electricity required for it.

If anyone remembers the year or so we had concept hydrogen cars on Top Gear etc around 15 years ago, this was all funded by a certain petrochemical organisation rather than the car makers themselves. Not hard to work out who would be making the eye watering amounts of cash generating by splitting hydrogen.

Doesn't hydrogen provide a storage medium for green electricity? Also, doesn't it provide options for green transport where battery size is an issue (at least until battery technology develops)?

[Ozyhibby]

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Doesn't hydrogen provide a storage medium for green electricity? Also, doesn't it provide options for green transport where battery size is an issue (at least until battery technology develops)?

It could possibly provide a solution for boats, trains and planes but I doubt we could produce enough for cars and I can’t see us developing the infrastructure for it as well as for battery cars. I think the battery will win just by being first. And your right that it can be used as storage.


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[archie]

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It could possibly provide a solution for boats, trains and planes but I doubt we could produce enough for cars and I can’t see us developing the infrastructure for it as well as for battery cars. I think the battery will win just by being first. And your right that it can be used as storage.


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On transport I was thinking of boats and trains. I don't think it it's viable for planes.

[Ozyhibby]

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On transport I was thinking of boats and trains. I don't think it it's viable for planes.

Your probably right, science not my strong point.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Was talking to a friend last night over a few beers and we we're discussing the relentless climate protests in Berlin and the effect they've had on local politics.

Both of us agreed that at least in the short term, these protests have achieved the exact opposite to that what they say they hope to achieve.

Not only has Berlin just voted in its first centre right government in over 20 years as a consequence, but also the far right are profiting from what is now generally considered to be a left wing extremist attack on society.

I personally completely agree with what they say they are trying to achieve, however I find it extremely counterproductive the way they are going about achieving those aims.

Just recently there have been jail sentences of 4 months without probation, it will be interesting to see how committed to their cause they now are. That said a judge during sentencing recently expressed sympathy for their cause before passing sentence, it will be interesting to watch developments the next few months.

[Ozyhibby]

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Was talking to a friend last night over a few beers and we we're discussing the relentless climate protests in Berlin and the effect they've had on local politics.

Both of us agreed that at least in the short term, these protests have achieved the exact opposite to that what they say they hope to achieve.

Not only has Berlin just voted in its first centre right government in over 20 years as a consequence, but also the far right are profiting from what is now generally considered to be a left wing extremist attack on society.

I personally completely agree with what they say they are trying to achieve, however I find it extremely counterproductive the way they are going about achieving those aims.

Just recently there have been jail sentences of 4 months without probation, it will be interesting to see how committed to their cause they now are. That said a judge during sentencing recently expressed sympathy for their cause before passing sentence, it will be interesting to watch developments the next few months.

Like any political campaign, you have to take the public with you or it’s doomed to fail.


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[archie]

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Was talking to a friend last night over a few beers and we we're discussing the relentless climate protests in Berlin and the effect they've had on local politics.

Both of us agreed that at least in the short term, these protests have achieved the exact opposite to that what they say they hope to achieve.

Not only has Berlin just voted in its first centre right government in over 20 years as a consequence, but also the far right are profiting from what is now generally considered to be a left wing extremist attack on society.

I personally completely agree with what they say they are trying to achieve, however I find it extremely counterproductive the way they are going about achieving those aims.

Just recently there have been jail sentences of 4 months without probation, it will be interesting to see how committed to their cause they now are. That said a judge during sentencing recently expressed sympathy for their cause before passing sentence, it will be interesting to watch developments the next few months.

I couldn't agree more that the focus needs to be on engaging people on this. We have also seen electoral gains in other European countries for parties that don't support the green agenda. Here Extinction Rebellion have very publically changed tactics. Some other groups haven't. I think the shock tactics get attention, but they are very alienating. When Extinction Rebellion activists glued themselves to the DLR in London, it was very confusing. Why make it harder for people to use public transport to get to work? I think that incident forced their rethink.

[The Modfather]

A bit late to the party, but I see Barry Hearn is/has taken the Snooker protestor to small claims court and written to the fans on that table asking them to join him. He’s looking to get compensation for their ticket price, travel, accommodation etc. He’s only looking for a civil charge and not a criminal charge. He’s also covering the legal costs. Good on him and fair play IMO

[AgentDaleCooper]

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A bit late to the party, but I see Barry Hearn is/has taken the Snooker protestor to small claims court and written to the fans on that table asking them to join him. He’s looking to get compensation for their ticket price, travel, accommodation etc. He’s only looking for a civil charge and not a criminal charge. He’s also covering the legal costs. Good on him and fair play IMO

nae need IMO. the entire point of protest is to cause relatively harmless inconvenience and spectacle in some way.

i'm not for a moment arguing that this was an effective protest, but there really isn't much else that hasn't been tried. this sets a dangerous precedent IMO.

[The Modfather]

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nae need IMO. the entire point of protest is to cause relatively harmless inconvenience and spectacle in some way.

i'm not for a moment arguing that this was an effective protest, but there really isn't much else that hasn't been tried. this sets a dangerous precedent IMO.

I see what you’re saying but there’s also a danger of this protest setting a precedent as well. How long before we see the Grand National, Ryder Cup, football etc having to be stopped/cancelled in a similar stunt? Protest and cause a delay by all means, but when you’re causing events to be unable to be re-started I’m with Barry Hearn on this.

[neil7908]

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I see what you’re saying but there’s also a danger of this protest setting a precedent as well. How long before we see the Grand National, Ryder Cup, football etc having to be stopped/cancelled in a similar stunt? Protest and cause a delay by all means, but when you’re causing events to be unable to be re-started I’m with Barry Hearn on this.

I struggle with this one.

I'm very sympathetic to their cause but I don't think targeting random events like the snooker, London underground, roads holding up ambulances etc is the right approach and I can understand why someone like Hearn would take action.

I fear that in the cases above protesters are doing their cause more harm than good.

[AgentDaleCooper]

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I see what you’re saying but there’s also a danger of this protest setting a precedent as well. How long before we see the Grand National, Ryder Cup, football etc having to be stopped/cancelled in a similar stunt? Protest and cause a delay by all means, but when you’re causing events to be unable to be re-started I’m with Barry Hearn on this.

look at the relative consequences though - one is an inconvenience, perhaps a serious one, but the other is a de-facto censorship. Protest is never going to be perfect, nor is it always going to be effective, but if you effectively ban it in certain cases based on inconvenience, you're opening the door for that to be applied to all sorts of situations, businesses suing for lost profits etc, which could have colossal consequences.

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Shell shareholders meeting this morning

https://twitter.com/broseph_stalin/s...781599744?s=20

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Good move by the french.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Good move by the french.


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It is, but of course they have a much better high-speed rail service than we do. I can't think of anywhere in the UK with rail links less than 2.5 hours that also have air links.

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It is, but of course they have a much better high-speed rail service than we do. I can't think of anywhere in the UK with rail links less than 2.5 hours that also have air links.

Yes but interesting to contrast with the UK where in the last budget the Tory Government cut APD tax on short haul flights.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...mestic-flights

[Stairway 2 7]

The Government are going to advertise to stop people wishcycling. Putting things like take away boxes and juice cartons in the recycling when they aren't recyclable

https://archive.ph/xui1p

[tamig]

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The Government are going to advertise to stop people wishcycling. Putting things like take away boxes and juice cartons in the recycling when they aren't recyclable

https://archive.ph/xui1p

I’m big on recycling myself and am fully aware of what shouldn’t go in the recycling bins but appreciate that a lot of folk aren’t. Think this is a pretty good initiative personally.

[Hibrandenburg]

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The Government are going to advertise to stop people wishcycling. Putting things like take away boxes and juice cartons in the recycling when they aren't recyclable

https://archive.ph/xui1p

That's a strange one for me to hear as over here both these articles get recycled.

[tamig]

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That's a strange one for me to hear as over here both these articles get recycled.

Its possible to recycle that stuff but requires cleaning and decontaminating. I’d imagine over there things are done properly and not on the cheap so a bigger variety of items can be recycled.

[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/sCSkNiyYv8g

Interesting video on why cities are moving away from cars.


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[Gatecrasher]

Anyone else think there has been a severe lack of rain this winter and it looks like we're in for an extremely dry June. Considering last year it was a dry summer, it's not looking good.

[wookie70]

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Anyone else think there has been a severe lack of rain this winter and it looks like we're in for an extremely dry June. Considering last year it was a dry summer, it's not looking good.

Was it not one of the wettest Springs

[Jones28]

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Anyone else think there has been a severe lack of rain this winter and it looks like we're in for an extremely dry June. Considering last year it was a dry summer, it's not looking good.

Looks like we’re due some rain next weekend, just in time for the proclaimers in kelso!

[nonshinyfinish]

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That's a strange one for me to hear as over here both these articles get recycled.

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Its possible to recycle that stuff but requires cleaning and decontaminating. I’d imagine over there things are done properly and not on the cheap so a bigger variety of items can be recycled.

I think part of the problem is that it varies across the country depending on which recycling company particular councils use. I regularly see examples where the recycling information on supermarket packaging directly contradicts my local council's information – I assume the supermarket labelling for a given item is correct for the majority of the country, but will sometimes be wrong locally in certain places. It's not surprising that people get confused.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/glennbbc/status/...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

No recycling for Scotland. Shame.


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[Just Alf]

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https://twitter.com/glennbbc/status/...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

No recycling for Scotland. Shame.


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What's particularly annoying is that all 4 nations agreed to include glass... even including a working party in NI...

When Scotland voted the legislation through, including glass, the Conservatives were in favour of it.

The only.outlier is England seems to have changed their mind so that seems to trump everything

[Moulin Yarns]

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What's particularly annoying is that all 4 nations agreed to include glass... even including a working party in NI...

When Scotland voted the legislation through, including glass, the Conservatives were in favour of it.

The only.outlier is England seems to have changed their mind so that seems to trump everything

I would have loved it had lorna slater and Humza Yousaf made a joint statement saying Scotland was going ahead with the dsr as agreed by the Scottish Parliament and see what happens.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Caroline Lucus standing down at next election, she's been a very good politician Caroline Lucas says she is leaving parliament to devote more time to fighting ‘accelerating’ threats to planet – UK politics live (msn.com)