Brexit - What Now.

[Hibrandenburg]

Not sure if it's Brexit related or Euro related but I was at work (UK) and decided to book my ferry for the summer holidays. I'd entered all the details Car, caravan, 3 pax and the mutt and it came to about £610 pounds return. Unfortunately I got interrupted and didn't finish the payment so I waited until I got home (Germany) and then made the exact same booking but it only came to €554. I thought maybe the prices had been lowered so I checked at work again this morning and it was still £610 when booking from the UK. That's about £50 difference when you take in the exchange rate. Brits are being ripped off.

[Jack]

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Not sure if it's Brexit related or Euro related but I was at work (UK) and decided to book my ferry for the summer holidays. I'd entered all the details Car, caravan, 3 pax and the mutt and it came to about £610 pounds return. Unfortunately I got interrupted and didn't finish the payment so I waited until I got home (Germany) and then made the exact same booking but it only came to €554. I thought maybe the prices had been lowered so I checked at work again this morning and it was still £610 when booking from the UK. That's about £50 difference when you take in the exchange rate. Brits are being ripped off.

I've seen similar with air travel and other travel arrangements and although I've seen the cheapness go both ways it's generally the Brits that get shafted. This has gone on long before Brexit.

Buying lots of worldwide goods is the same. Mobile phones for example are either the same amount of currency; £1,000, €1,000 or $1,000 for example, basically making them around 10% to 20% more expensive than overseas. Worse case scenario is when the same spec is actually more than the 1,000 example.

[Smartie]

Where and how is air travel (and other types of travel) taxed?

Was there not a controversy fairly recently about the Tories wanting to cut some of the tax involved in air travel but environmental groups were against it?

[JeMeSouviens]

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Where and how is air travel (and other types of travel) taxed?

Was there not a controversy fairly recently about the Tories wanting to cut some of the tax involved in air travel but environmental groups were against it?

The UK has Air Passenger Duty paid per passenger on all departing flights (apart from the Highlands and Islands which are exempt.) It was brought in because the UK is signed up to some international agreement that excludes aviation fuel from taxation. The rates depend on the distance of the flight and the class of travel, basically how much space your seat takes up on the plane.

The govt has recently halved it, I think it was from the start of this month.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1073578.html

An expensive vote.


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****ing incompetent *******s.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...P=share_btn_tw

Key members of a Ukrainian state orchestra were refused visas to play a series of concerts in the UK this month in a “catastrophe” that the promoter claims cost it more than €100,000 (£88,000).

The shows had been promoted on the UK government website as an example of British-Ukrainian relations.

[Stairway 2 7]

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****ing incompetent *******s.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...P=share_btn_tw

I'd say that's ******g unbelievable but sadly it's not, what a joke we are

[ronaldo7]

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****ing incompetent *******s.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...P=share_btn_tw

You won't see that trumpeted in downing street.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.politico.eu/article/unit...dy-uk-belfast/

I think I’ve found a brexit benefit. Do I get a prize?


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https://www.politico.eu/article/unit...dy-uk-belfast/

I think I’ve found a brexit benefit. Do I get a prize?

It'd be nice if we could get a united Ireland and an independent Scotland to happen on the same day. Say the 5th anniversary of the Brexit "independence" day?

[Stairway 2 7]

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It'd be nice if we could get a united Ireland and an independent Scotland to happen on the same day. Say the 5th anniversary of the Brexit "independence" day?

Polls in NI are worse than Scotland on the subject, surprisingly a number of Republicans aren't bothered about united Ireland. Brexit could definitely change that in time

[Smartie]

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It'd be nice if we could get a united Ireland and an independent Scotland to happen on the same day. Say the 5th anniversary of the Brexit "independence" day?

If the Northern Irish (both sides) could engage their brains and see some of the opportunities that will be given to them over the next half century as a "special case' country that is allowed advantages that neither the ROI or the rest of the UK will enjoy, then they could have a seriously enviable medium term future.

Instead, their future seems destined to be more about another descent into blowing each other up and bickering about which flag flies over the town hall.

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If the Northern Irish (both sides) could engage their brains and see some of the opportunities that will be given to them over the next half century as a "special case' country that is allowed advantages that neither the ROI or the rest of the UK will enjoy, then they could have a seriously enviable medium term future.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/e...pers-next-door

Ireland booms while Brexit Britain whimpers next door

While Joe Biden visits Ireland, Brexiteers said their closest EU neighbour would be “doomed” – now it’s set to be the top-performing economy in Europe this year.

[Ozyhibby]

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If the Northern Irish (both sides) could engage their brains and see some of the opportunities that will be given to them over the next half century as a "special case' country that is allowed advantages that neither the ROI or the rest of the UK will enjoy, then they could have a seriously enviable medium term future.

Instead, their future seems destined to be more about another descent into blowing each other up and bickering about which flag flies over the town hall.

To be fair, one side does see the benefits of their position.


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Maybe not the biggest of concerns, but somehow emblematic of the further closing off of the UK from the continent.

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2...-border-delays

Orient Express to axe UK section after 41 years due to Brexit

[Stairway 2 7]

Like his fellow rat Dyson Jim Ratcliffe supports brexit but then puts factory elsewhere due to brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/business...P=share_btn_tw

[archie]

These are EU proposals for new, enforceable deficit rules. I'm not able to offer a detailed view on this as I've only just read it. My initial thought is it's particularly tough if a country is in the Eurozone. I also wonder how it would affect Scotland if we were to enter a) the EU and b) the Eurozone. This is not trivial. https://www.cer.eu/publications/arch...u-fiscal-rules

[Stairway 2 7]

This is absurd. Britain wants a discount to join horizon European science scheme. They don't need us we need it. A massive own goal not staying in it in the first place

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-w...brexit-hiatus/

Britain wants special Brexit discount to rejoin EU science projects
EU diplomat slams ‘Margaret Thatcher-style thinking’ as UK demands Horizon Europe rebate

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Better together?

[Ozyhibby]

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Better together?

Rejoining the EU is the only way to return to our previous living standards. There is only one route to that.


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[archie]

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Rejoining the EU is the only way to return to our previous living standards. There is only one route to that.


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Big statement that it is the only way. Surely much would depend on the deal to rejoin the EU? Also, SNP has said that it would take 10 years after independence before we would see benefits, so not a quick fix (if a fix at all).

[Ozyhibby]

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Big statement that it is the only way. Surely much would depend on the deal to rejoin the EU? Also, SNP has said that it would take 10 years after independence before we would see benefits, so not a quick fix (if a fix at all).

How do you mean depend on the deal? Do you think we would be turned down?


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[archie]

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How do you mean depend on the deal? Do you think we would be turned down?


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Surely you would want to know: a) the terms of any deal to join and b) how the accession criteria would be applied? I'd also want to understand the deficit proposals that the German Government is pushing, to assess impact on Scottish Government scope to manage the economy.

[marinello59]

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Surely you would want to know: a) the terms of any deal to join and b) how the accession criteria would be applied? I'd also want to understand the deficit proposals that the German Government is pushing, to assess impact on Scottish Government scope to manage the economy.

You make a good point there. I’d be keen to see us rejoin the EU but not under any terms. It might be that a Norway style agreement, which I suspect the UK as a whole will slowly drift towards anyway, is the best solution in the end.

[Ozyhibby]

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Surely you would want to know: a) the terms of any deal to join and b) how the accession criteria would be applied? I'd also want to understand the deficit proposals that the German Government is pushing, to assess impact on Scottish Government scope to manage the economy.

What make you think we are special that we can have a different deal from everyone else? We’ll join on the same terms as everyone else except for Schengen for obvious reasons in that it’s not a barrier to trade because we are on an island.


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[archie]

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What make you think we are special that we can have a different deal from everyone else? We’ll join on the same terms as everyone else except for Schengen for obvious reasons in that it’s not a barrier to trade because we are on an island.


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Well I think Scotland would have very specific circumstances. We would be setting up a country, with all of the stresses and strains that brings. We would also be setting up a new currency, again with all the stresses and strains that brings. So there would be a fair bit of turmoil that would take some years to run through. So the position would be that we wait to work that through or we apply early on and get some leeway from the EU about how we meet the Copenhagen criteria. I assume you would want to go sooner, hence the need to negotiate.

I'd also want a sensible discussion about the Euro. We have to commit to join, but how flexible would that time line be? To have three currencies in, say, ten years could be very destabilising.

I think it's incumbent on people negotiating on Scotland's behalf to get the best deal. I don't see why that's controversial.

[Ozyhibby]

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Well I think Scotland would have very specific circumstances. We would be setting up a country, with all of the stresses and strains that brings. We would also be setting up a new currency, again with all the stresses and strains that brings. So there would be a fair bit of turmoil that would take some years to run through. So the position would be that we wait to work that through or we apply early on and get some leeway from the EU about how we meet the Copenhagen criteria. I assume you would want to go sooner, hence the need to negotiate.

I'd also want a sensible discussion about the Euro. We have to commit to join, but how flexible would that time line be? To have three currencies in, say, ten years could be very destabilising.

I think it's incumbent on people negotiating on Scotland's behalf to get the best deal. I don't see why that's controversial.

So you are looking for time to meet criteria rather than different rules from everyone else. That makes more sense and the EU has always shown good flexibility on all these things.
I’m ok with the Euro but it would take a lot more than 10 years before Scotland was ready for it, so I’m sure that would be ok. The EU seems in no rush to force anyone onto the euro and in fact won’t let you in until you are ready. I think Croatia recently joined but one of their neighbours was told to cool their jets a bit until they were ready.
Half of Eastern Europe isn’t in it and there is no great push for them to join.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Very good journalism and data analysis. Brexit is destroying London and will continue to do

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmulhei...93188235763713

Ian Mulheirn
@ianmulheirn
What's killing London?

Last week
@jburnmurdoch
shone a light on a worrying trend - the shrinking population of Londoners aged 25-39

But there are actually *more* UK-born young Londoners than ever - it's Brexit that's sapping the capital's lifeblood

[Stairway 2 7]

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So you are looking for time to meet criteria rather than different rules from everyone else. That makes more sense and the EU has always shown good flexibility on all these things.
I’m ok with the Euro but it would take a lot more than 10 years before Scotland was ready for it, so I’m sure that would be ok. The EU seems in no rush to force anyone onto the euro and in fact won’t let you in until you are ready. I think Croatia recently joined but one of their neighbours was told to cool their jets a bit until they were ready.
Half of Eastern Europe isn’t in it and there is no great push for them to join.


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Brexit has been so bad economically that any argument against accepting any rules seems silly. Look at how much more money each Irish person has as take home pay each month and still try to argue against it

[archie]

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So you are looking for time to meet criteria rather than different rules from everyone else. That makes more sense and the EU has always shown good flexibility on all these things.
I’m ok with the Euro but it would take a lot more than 10 years before Scotland was ready for it, so I’m sure that would be ok. The EU seems in no rush to force anyone onto the euro and in fact won’t let you in until you are ready. I think Croatia recently joined but one of their neighbours was told to cool their jets a bit until they were ready.
Half of Eastern Europe isn’t in it and there is no great push for them to join.


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But more time will mean a longer time before joining. So either we delay entry to some way down the track or the EU is flexible on deficit criteria etc.