SNP are lying b******s as well !

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If they're bent then it's tax payers money well spent bringing them to justice, if they're not bent then questions need to be asked about how this investigation is being conducted.

Just out of interest, how many Tories have been arrested in connection to all the corruption accusations flying around?

First paragraph, first sentence, I agree completely.

First paragraph, second sentence, why and what questions? How would you know how the investigation is being conducted?

Second paragraph, come on! That’s desperate deflection and doesn’t fool anybody. Anyway, there is a whole thread for looking at Tory wrongdoing, I don’t think you are a stranger to it

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Shona Robinson says a bad culture was allowed to develop and the SNP has to get its house in order. She refuses to blame Sturgeon although I'm not sure who is to blame then for the bad culture and house not being in order

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Another question that the SNP needs to answer, for probity’s sake.

Was Sturgeon appointed acting SNP treasurer between Chapman going and Beattie being re-appointed?

Is being First Minister, party leader and party treasurer appropriate? If nothing else why would the FM be taking time out of their elected duties to run the finances of what we used to be told was a party with a huge membership?

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Another question that the SNP needs to answer, for probity’s sake.

Was Sturgeon appointed acting SNP treasurer between Chapman going and Beattie being re-appointed?

Is being First Minister, party leader and party treasurer appropriate? If nothing else why would the FM be taking time out of their elected duties to run the finances of what we used to be told was a party with a huge membership?

Yousaf is acting treasurer today.


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First paragraph, first sentence, I agree completely.

First paragraph, second sentence, why and what questions? How would you know how the investigation is being conducted?

Second paragraph, come on! That’s desperate deflection and doesn’t fool anybody. Anyway, there is a whole thread for looking at Tory wrongdoing, I don’t think you are a stranger to it

Don’t see you on that thread very often though.


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Shona Robinson says a bad culture was allowed to develop and the SNP has to get its house in order. She refuses to blame Sturgeon although I'm not sure who is to blame then for the bad culture and house not being in order

https://mobile.twitter.com/ConnorGil...35892909723650

I doubt everyone has played a part in the culture allowed to develop. People did ask questions. Imagine being Joanna Cherry and listening to that.

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We can but hope for a resolution. It’s a farce that taxpayers’ money, our money, needs spent establishing whether these people are bent or not.

How would you like to fund the criminal justice system?


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First paragraph, first sentence, I agree completely.

First paragraph, second sentence, why and what questions? How would you know how the investigation is being conducted?

Second paragraph, come on! That’s desperate deflection and doesn’t fool anybody. Anyway, there is a whole thread for looking at Tory wrongdoing, I don’t think you are a stranger to it

I think if after all this nobody gets charged or no wrong doing can be proven, then it's fair to ask what the motivation behind the accusations were and why this investigation has been conducted in the manner it has.

Maybe I am deflecting or maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate, I've never voted for the SNP so consider myself more a supporter of independence rather than an SNP supporter so I'm not sure why I'd want to deflect and I honestly don't know if any Tories have had forensic tents erected on their front lawn or had members arrested before questioning? I think wanting a level playing field is relevant on any thread where there's suspected corruption.

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Don’t see you on that thread very often though.


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But when I do, I post brilliantly Anyway, it is a bit dull - it’s essentially a big pile-on but no one seems to have sussed out there’s no one at the bottom of the pile

Fair point though. Mind you, I have never posted on the Ukraine thread or the trans rights thread despite them being pretty huge.

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How would you like to fund the criminal justice system?


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In person, you mean?

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In person, you mean?

No, I mean if not taxpayers money then how? You know that though.


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I think if after all this nobody gets charged or no wrong doing can be proven, then it's fair to ask what the motivation behind the accusations were and why this investigation has been conducted in the manner it has.

Maybe I am deflecting or maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate, I've never voted for the SNP so consider myself more a supporter of independence rather than an SNP supporter so I'm not sure why I'd want to deflect and I honestly don't know if any Tories have had forensic tents erected on their front lawn or had members arrested before questioning? I think wanting a level playing field is relevant on any thread where there's suspected corruption.

Suspects need to be arrested to be interviewed under caution …ie questioning 🙄 I imagine he will have been informed to attend a police station with his solicitor at a set time.

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Yousaf is acting treasurer today.


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I get that the Electoral Commission rules guide the party leader to step in if it is not a seamless transition.

But given the levels of iffiness now and when Chapman resigned, would it not have been much better for them to have appointed someone else, even as an interim?

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No, I mean if not taxpayers money then how? You know that though.


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Okay. I think it’s a farce that the SNP are so incapable of transparently managing their party finances that it requires a two-year police investigation, at a cost to the public purse.

I shouldn’t have been so naive though. After all the evidence was there in their incapable managing of public services, again at a cost to the public purse.

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I get that the Electoral Commission rules guide the party leader to step in if it is not a seamless transition.

But given the levels of iffiness now and when Chapman resigned, would it not have been much better for them to have appointed someone else, even as an interim?

You mean, they should not obey the Electoral Commission rules? Interesting idea.

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Okay. I think it’s a farce that the SNP are so incapable of transparently managing their party finances that it requires a two-year police investigation, at a cost to the public purse.

I shouldn’t have been so naive though. After all the evidence was there in their incapable managing of public services, again at a cost to the public purse.

You make a mockery of every thread you post on. It's the SNP's fault that the police have spent two years without making a charge? Ok.

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Okay. I think it’s a farce that the SNP are so incapable of transparently managing their party finances that it requires a two-year police investigation, at a cost to the public purse.

I shouldn’t have been so naive though. After all the evidence was there in their incapable managing of public services, again at a cost to the public purse.

Let’s wait and see what the police investigation comes up with. Can’t be long now before we see some charges then we will have more info.


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You mean, they should not obey the Electoral Commission rules? Interesting idea.

Good grief, how hard is it? I asked whether it might have been in their best interest to have clear blue water between the roles, given the way things have panned out so far.

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Let’s wait and see what the police investigation comes up with. Can’t be long now before we see some charges then we will have more info.


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Or there is no evidence of any criminal activity but a full investigation has cleared them of any impropriety without usual cover up accusations.

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You make a mockery of every thread you post on. It's the SNP's fault that the police have spent two years without making a charge? Ok.

No. It’s the SNP’s fault they are under investigation in the first place. Otherwise things wouldn’t have got to this stage. The police are only doing their job, in the full glare of the media spotlight admittedly.

As for ‘mockery’ spare me the melodrama. You can’t even bring yourself to admit Douglas Chapman resigned because despite being treasurer he didn’t get to see where the money was. Instead you wander down cul-de-sacs about how just because it was reported in the Sunday Mail it can’t be true, or you start taking offence at quotation marks or whatever.

I appreciate that you are heavily-invested in all being well in SNP world and all being the fault of everyone else, and that is a tough place to be. But resorting to some sort of circular denial mentality out of Kafka does nothing for the discussion.

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No. It’s the SNP’s fault they are under investigation in the first place. Otherwise things wouldn’t have got to this stage. The police are only doing their job, in the full glare of the media spotlight admittedly.

As for ‘mockery’ spare me the melodrama. You can’t even bring yourself to admit Douglas Chapman resigned because despite being treasurer he didn’t get to see where the money was. Instead you wander down cul-de-sacs about how just because it was reported in the Sunday Mail it can’t be true, or you start taking offence at quotation marks or whatever.

I appreciate that you are heavily-invested in all being well in SNP world and all being the fault of everyone else, and that is a tough place to be. But resorting to some sort of circular denial mentality out of Kafka does nothing for the discussion.

It must be very hard for people who are so heavily invested in something to be able to see/admit what looks like matters very damaging to that thing. Mind you Cherry, Salmond et al seem more enthusiastic about getting the disinfectant out.

Robison's position is completely untenable however. 'Things shouldn't have been allowed to come to this' says best mate of person who allowed things to come to this (and that's a charitable description). You could almost imagine she hadn't been a senior Minister and Sturgeon's bestie throughout Sturgeon's time as FM.

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New treasurer to be appointed asap.


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Shona Robinson says a bad culture was allowed to develop and the SNP has to get its house in order. She refuses to blame Sturgeon although I'm not sure who is to blame then for the bad culture and house not being in order

https://mobile.twitter.com/ConnorGil...35892909723650

FWIW I think that this sounds closest to being an adequate description of what has been going on to me.

It’ll be for others to decide whether it’s corrupt or criminal or the like.

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Humza interim treasurer then the NEC will choose the next one. That's two treasurers in a row that will be unelected

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Humza interim treasurer then the NEC will choose the next one. That's two treasurers in a row that will be unelected

He could do the right thing and appoint Cherry, at least he would have confidence she'd carry it out properly. Also makes up for her being treated so badly when she was right all along. It would at least be an attempt to look like he's trying to unify the party and distance himself from NS for presiding over a poor culture. You can see the strain on his face, I don't know why but I actually feel a bit sorry for him.

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He could do the right thing and appoint Cherry, at least he would have confidence she'd carry it out properly. Also makes up for her being treated so badly when she was right all along. It would at least be an attempt to look like he's trying to unify the party and distance himself from NS for presiding over a poor culture. You can see the strain on his face, I don't know why but I actually feel a bit sorry for him.

I wouldn’t worry too much, he won’t be leader for very long, then he can relax.

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I think if after all this nobody gets charged or no wrong doing can be proven, then it's fair to ask what the motivation behind the accusations were and why this investigation has been conducted in the manner it has.

Maybe I am deflecting or maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate, I've never voted for the SNP so consider myself more a supporter of independence rather than an SNP supporter so I'm not sure why I'd want to deflect and I honestly don't know if any Tories have had forensic tents erected on their front lawn or had members arrested before questioning? I think wanting a level playing field is relevant on any thread where there's suspected corruption.

It's wheesht for indy taken to extremes, both among Sturgeon's former disciples (Robison being exhibit A with her Boris Johnson-esque attempts to emerge blameless from a mess she helped to make) and those who simply can't bear to take off the blinkers and at least pause to re-examine their unconditional support for the SNP as an exemplar vehicle for independence.

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I wouldn’t worry too much, he won’t be leader for very long, then he can relax.

You're probably right. I might be losing it, am now feeling sorry for SNP leaders. My Daughter accused me of being a Lib Dem the other week, just cos I said I liked Christine Jardine, I can't even mind what she was saying for me to come out with that.

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Why use party funds to get a few Bob when they could have done the same as the torys and given millions in government contracts to their mates?

What about a multi million £ ferry contract going to an SNP mega donner

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I'm waiting to see the evidence and the charges.

Granted we don’t know what the police evidence is, but there is sufficient information in the public domain to form a view.

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Is there a link to that?

Someone shared a link last week to quite a detailed summary of the whole thing. I didn’t store it. I didn’t recognise who wrote it, but my guess is it will be dismissed as written by a unionist.

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