SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Oh this is a fact is it?

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19...l-information/

Are you calling Douglas Chapman a liar? Or did the National just make this story up?

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...peter-murrell/

Sturgeon not returning in person to Holyrood after the Easter break.

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Oh this is a fact is it?

Your really down the rabbit hole everyone is lying apart from the glorious dear leader

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The video is from March 2021?

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https://www.thenational.scot/news/19...l-information/

Are you calling Douglas Chapman a liar? Or did the National just make this story up?

Is that you choosing which SNP people you believe?

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Your really down the rabbit hole everyone is lying apart from the glorious dear leader

Whereas you are choosing to believe those who meet your agenda. Neither of us know what the truth is here.

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Whereas you are choosing to believe those who meet your agenda. Neither of us know what the truth is here.

Difference is there has to be about 30 people lying for everything to be going great and normal in the snp. Or just you and the Murrells to be wrong for things to be going bad

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The video is from March 2021?

At the time, information was being leaked from the NEC, to some unsavoury outlets. They've since been replaced.

It's ok though. The Tories have demanded the SNP suspend Nicola sturgeon and Peter murrell

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Scots firms get nothing from £220m ferry deals given to Turkey | HeraldScotland

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The video is from March 2021?

The point being that she was telling the committee to keep their mouths shut about the party's finances and claiming they were in great shape shortly before her husband was loaning them over 100k to address cashflow problems and the police were embarking on their investigation into the missing 670k.

I'm not sure you can just brush off Chapman's departure over lack of access to the accounts when his successor as treasurer (Beattie) has admitted the party is struggling to balance the books.

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I’m struggling to see the problem with this one.

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The point being that she was telling the committee to keep their mouths shut about the party's finances and claiming they were in great shape shortly before her husband was loaning them over 100k to address cashflow problems and the police were embarking on their investigation into the missing 670k.

I'm not sure you can just brush off Chapman's departure over lack of access to the accounts when his successor as treasurer (Beattie) has admitted the party is struggling to balance the books.

Would it not be expected that the books would be in decent shape in March 2021? The drop off in member numbers has presumably happened relatively recently (largely linked to unpopular policy choices so I'm not wanting to let them off the hook altogether).

A lot can change in a couple of years. And it's also not all that unusual for a business with generally healthy finances to need a help with cash flow from time to time.

Also, the point she is (presumably) trying to make is that whilst the finances may have been robust at that time, it's easy to spook people and cut off the flow of money. This is significant when they are relying on donors for that money. It's easy to manufacture a crisis entirely of your own making when none exists (which is as likely an explanation for this whole affair as anything else, from where I'm looking.)

Beattie's points are valid and true - but do they not refer more to the here and now, the post-covid, Ukraine war, post-Brexit, cost of living crisis era, where folk might think better of chucking a few quid the way of a pro-independence political party who have had the democratic door slammed shut in their faces?

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Difference is there has to be about 30 people lying for everything to be going great and normal in the snp. Or just you and the Murrells to be wrong for things to be going bad

Name your 30 people and we'll see how impartial and objective they are.

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The point being that she was telling the committee to keep their mouths shut about the party's finances and claiming they were in great shape shortly before her husband was loaning them over 100k to address cashflow problems and the police were embarking on their investigation into the missing 670k.

The video was taken in March 2021. There is no loan in the SNP accounts at the 31 December 2021. So where do you get your "shortly before" from?

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Beattie's points are valid and true - but do they not refer more to the here and now, the post-covid, Ukraine war, post-Brexit, cost of living crisis era, where folk might think better of chucking a few quid the way of a pro-independence political party who have had the democratic door slammed shut in their faces?

Now then. Away with your common sense arguments. We'll have none of that here.

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I’m struggling to see the problem with this one.

Scottish jobs for Scottish workers. 😒

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The point being that she was telling the committee to keep their mouths shut about the party's finances and claiming they were in great shape shortly before her husband was loaning them over 100k to address cashflow problems and the police were embarking on their investigation into the missing 670k.

I'm not sure you can just brush off Chapman's departure over lack of access to the accounts when his successor as treasurer (Beattie) has admitted the party is struggling to balance the books.

During this period, leaks were occurring from the NEC from the private meetings. Keeping their mouths shut until the minutes are released is normally a prerequisite of being on such a committee.

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The video was taken in March 2021. There is no loan in the SNP accounts at the 31 December 2021. So where do you get your "shortly before" from?

Police were first contacted re the missing funds in March 2021. Chapman and Cherry were among the NEC members to resign in May 2021 citing lack of transparency re accounts. Murrell loan made in June 2021.

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Police were first contacted re the missing funds in March 2021. Chapman and Cherry were among the NEC members to resign in May 2021 citing lack of transparency re accounts. Murrell loan made in June 2021.

So the loan was repaid by the year end?

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During this period, leaks were occurring from the NEC from the private meetings. Keeping their mouths shut until the minutes are released is normally a prerequisite of being on such a committee.

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Police were first contacted re the missing funds in March 2021. Chapman and Cherry were among the NEC members to resign in May 2021 citing lack of transparency re accounts. Murrell loan made in June 2021.

So do we think Cherry leaked the video?

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So do we think Cherry leaked the video?

It's all speculation, like most things these days.

BBC Scotland running a piece the other day on motorhome toilets was a new low.

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So the loan was repaid by the year end?

Less than half has been repaid.

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The video was taken in March 2021. There is no loan in the SNP accounts at the 31 December 2021. So where do you get your "shortly before" from?

I'm sorry, I was wrong, there's a £60k loan from executive management clear as day in the SNP 2021 accounts. (I was looking at the accounts for the SNP Westminster Group. Quite why they need separate accounts I don't know).

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Less than half has been repaid.

£60k was outstanding at December 2021.

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So, as I've found out to my embarrassment, the loan from Murrell is clearly stated in the SNP accounts. So why all the fuss about it?

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I'm sorry, I was wrong, there's a £60k loan from executive management clear as day in the SNP 2021 accounts. (I was looking at the accounts for the SNP Westminster Group. Quite why they need separate accounts I don't know).

It’s weird that? And separate audits need doing as well.
I’m sure I read that Scottish Labour don’t even have their own accounts? They are handled by the party in London?


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I'm sorry, I was wrong, there's a £60k loan from executive management clear as day in the SNP 2021 accounts. (I was looking at the accounts for the SNP Westminster Group. Quite why they need separate accounts I don't know).

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It’s weird that? And separate audits need doing as well.
I’m sure I read that Scottish Labour don’t even have their own accounts? They are handled by the party in London?


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Separate accounts are needed because, under Electoral Law, they are a separate accounting unit.

An audit is needed as their income is over £250k

Scottish Labour do have their own separate accounts, which are audited.

As an aside, the reserves of the SNP at the end of December 2021 were £610k. Those of Scottish Labour were £17k.

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Separate accounts are needed because, under Electoral Law, they are a separate accounting unit.

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The point being that she was telling the committee to keep their mouths shut about the party's finances and claiming they were in great shape shortly before her husband was loaning them over 100k to address cashflow problems and the police were embarking on their investigation into the missing 670k.

I'm not sure you can just brush off Chapman's departure over lack of access to the accounts when his successor as treasurer (Beattie) has admitted the party is struggling to balance the books.

I’ve watched the video a few times now and linking it back to the timeline of how events have unfolded I don’t think you could categorically say she has said anything out of order. You could only make that call if the entire conversation was present. There just doesn’t seem to be anything there that warrants her suspension from her party based on that clip alone.
That ain’t going to stop opposition politicians calling for it but that’s just part and parcel of normal political life. Sturgeon herself didn’t excuse herself from the normal rough and tumble, she seemed to relish it and it can be good fun to watch