SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Depends what the context in the answer could be yes or no, in this instance no

So the SNP and previous partys in charge are to blame, not just the SNP?

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So the SNP and previous partys in charge are to blame, not just the SNP?

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Given that the SNP have been in power since 2007 it would be stretching it a bit to błame previous administrations for the unprecedented mess we have now.
I keep saying it but the people whose lives are being negatively impacted by this are all but forgotten when this is discussed with more focus being put on protecting politicians.

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Given that the SNP have been in power since 2007 it would be stretching it a bit to błame previous administrations for the unprecedented mess we have now.
I keep saying it but the people whose lives are being negatively impacted by this are all but forgotten when this is discussed with more focus being put on protecting politicians.

Have they been in charge since 2007 or has some of that time been coalitions?

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So the SNP and previous partys in charge are to blame, not just the SNP?

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Ha ffs they have been in power for 16 years. But even if using that graph Labour built 1 but 3 had newly been built in the 5 years before. Then 2 in 16 years of snp and one that's a disaster still being built

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Have they been in charge since 2007 or has some of that time been coalitions?

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There was an informal coalition with the Tories from 2007-2011.
Other than that it’s been minority or majority SNP Governments. It would be hard for anybody to argue they haven’t held power since 2007 and keep a straight face.

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There was an informal coalition with the Tories from 2007-2011.
Other than that it’s been minority or majority SNP Governments. It would be hard for anybody to argue they haven’t held power since 2007 and keep a straight face.

Am only asking questions.

Its hard to keep a sense of proportion on this board the last few weeks. The proportion of scrutiny over aspects of govt is a bit hard to gain.

Seems like the SNP have screwed up over the ferry deal. Is something that they should be suspended or jailed for?

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Am only asking questions.

Its hard to keep a sense of proportion on this board the last few weeks. The proportion of scrutiny over aspects of govt is a bit hard to gain.

Seems like the SNP have screwed up over the ferry deal. Is something that they should be suspended or jailed for?

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No one suggested they should. But they should be held to account.

I know many people want to bury their heads in the sand and deflect attention elsewhere.

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No one suggested they should. But they should be held to account.

I know many people want to bury their heads in the sand and deflect attention elsewhere.

Yeah to hell with them.

I did open up the conversation and said that they had screwed up.

I'm now asking, given clearly something has happened, what should be done.

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Am only asking questions.

Its hard to keep a sense of proportion on this board the last few weeks. The proportion of scrutiny over aspects of govt is a bit hard to gain.

Seems like the SNP have screwed up over the ferry deal. Is something that they should be suspended or jailed for?

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Sadly no.

The ferrry deal is just part of the problem. Somebody in Government was responsible for what has turned in to a costly and embarrassing saga yet nobody has been identified. That’s led to the fleet bring two vessels down and magnified the issues caused by vessels past their use by date. Alternatives should have been chartered long before now. Getting the MV Alfred in is a start but as it was left so long to act it’s had to be taken on as crewed and operated by the owner, the most expensive option. A bareboat charter utilising existing CalMac crew would have been preferable. Given the problems being faced because of the aging fleet we probably need at least another two in now
The Islanders themselves should have been better represented on the bodies that run our ferry services. It beggars belief how their voices have been marginalised, centralisation at its worst. That needs urgently rectified, these are the people who depend on a decent service, they know what is required better than somebody who has never lived there could.
We still have sea passages that are longer than they need to be, building terminals at the closest possible point to the Islands being served would allow service frequencies to be increased and possibly allow cheaper vessels to be constructed. That is going to require a large investment in infrastructure but we should be planning for it now.
Lessons have already been learned about procurement , the deal to build the latest new ships in Turkey looks like value for money and something to be applauded.

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No one suggested they should. But they should be held to account.

I know many people want to bury their heads in the sand and deflect attention elsewhere.

Accountability seems to be sadly lacking across politics of all shades in the UK today. To say that there is also no accountability in the UK Government is not to deflect attention elsewhere, merely to point out a problem that we all face.

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Yeah to hell with them.

I did open up the conversation and said that they had screwed up.

I'm now asking, given clearly something has happened, what should be done.

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Yousaf seems to be talking of a review of some sort and changes as a result. That would be a start. Big test for him though.

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Accountability seems to be sadly lacking across politics of all shades in the UK today. To say that there is also no accountability in the UK Government is not to deflect attention elsewhere, merely to point out a problem that we all face.

I agree there. As someone who doesn’t vote for a tory or snp government I feel pretty badly let down.

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No one suggested they should. But they should be held to account.

I know many people want to bury their heads in the sand and deflect attention elsewhere.

They will be, at the next election.

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New calls for Nicola Sturgeon to be suspended from SNP after fundraising leak

Baillie calling for Sturgeon's suspension.

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New calls for Nicola Sturgeon to be suspended from SNP after fundraising leak

Baillie calling for Sturgeon's suspension.

She should submit that call to her branch Secretary giving her SNP member number.


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New calls for Nicola Sturgeon to be suspended from SNP after fundraising leak

Baillie calling for Sturgeon's suspension.

Jackie Baillie, the Labour MSP Jackie Baillie

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New calls for Nicola Sturgeon to be suspended from SNP after fundraising leak

Baillie calling for Sturgeon's suspension.

Jeez. People are scraping the barrel now.

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They will be, at the next election.

Very well said.

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Jeez. People are scraping the barrel now.

Or the tip of the iceberg? ;-)

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Or the tip of the iceberg? ;-)

I'm sure you hope that's the case, thought I think you may be disappointed.

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Sunday mail

Oh the Sunday Mail you say?

Here's a thread about where this "newspaper" completely changed a historian's article when publishing it today.
This is how trustworthy the Sunday Mail is.

https://twitter.com/FunkyPlaid/statu...780660737?s=20

What kind of bull**** is this, @Sunday_Mail
? This is not the text of the draft article I have on record. It’s been deliberately changed to portray blatant lies about my work and opinion, and I have proof of it. Never again will I give your reporters a moment of my time.

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Oh the Sunday Mail you say?

Here's a thread about where this "newspaper" completely changed a historian's article when publishing it today.
This is how trustworthy the Sunday Mail is.

https://twitter.com/FunkyPlaid/statu...780660737?s=20

It was literally a video, unless she was computer generated by the mail

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-65293006

Why the refusal to grant NEC members (and indeed the party's national treasurer) sight of the accounts if they were as robust as was alleged?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-65293006

Why the refusal to grant NEC members (and indeed the party's national treasurer) sight of the accounts if they were as robust as was alleged?

"According to the Sunday Mail".

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-65293006

Why the refusal to grant NEC members (and indeed the party's national treasurer) sight of the accounts if they were as robust as was alleged?

Not showing the treasurer is just bizarre.

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Not showing the treasurer is just bizarre.

I blame the media.

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Jeez. People are scraping the barrel now.

Doesn't matter if its the barrel or the iceberg the press dogs have been lost lose and can now say anything they want about the SNP and the legions of curtain twitchers who love our tabloids will spread it around.

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Doesn't matter if its the barrel or the iceberg the press dogs have been lost lose and can now say anything they want about the SNP and the legions of curtain twitchers who love our tabloids will spread it around.

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All that is true but the SNP need to start fighting back. In the last two weeks they have not been putting up anyone to appear on news shows for interviews etc. It leaves the slot free for unionist politicians to present their view of the world. Yousaf needs to get some sort of media operation into gear quickly. To do that he needs to show that he is getting on top of this. So far it’s been pretty hopeless.


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Not showing the treasurer is just bizarre.

Oh this is a fact is it?

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It was literally a video, unless she was computer generated by the mail

Which part of the video do you think is incriminating?