SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Just watched the video Sturgeon says the finances have never been stronger due to membership numbers. Also says members have to be careful when suggesting there are problems. She was either lying to the NEC or the party was lying to her. She also won't be happy that someone in the NEC has screenshotted a private meeting and chucked her under the bus by giving it to the press

MA on another thread talks of the danger of taking things out of context. Without having seen the video, I expect this is what's happening here. Plus she'd be right to be angry about someone recording a private meeting - it's an enormous betrayal of trust. Unfortunately with the politics and press the way things are now, this is the new normal. The country is ****ed.

I thought this was all the subject of a CPS investigation. So how are these things being played out on the front pages o the press? Anyone who thinks this is the proper way to conduct an investigation needs to think again.

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Every hour a SNP staff member works on any of those issues money is spent through wages. I'm guessing wages is the biggest outgoing. Look at the SNPs social media this year how much of it is actually about independence. That's their perogative of course

Are you complaining about how the SNP spends the party's money? I'm unclear about what is upsetting you here.

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What bull**** is this? Are they implying that Sturgeon bought a holiday villa with money stolen from the SNP?

The press in this country are out of control.

Quite the opposite, they are well under control.

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Are you complaining about how the SNP spends the party's money? I'm unclear about what is upsetting you here.

I'm not complaining I'm saying you can see how ring fenced money can be spent on other things. Is that a crime I have no idea.

There has clearly been mismanagement and some of the branch davidians are having aneurisms as dear leader is coming undone. I'm just annoyed that this shambles will put back independence for years, along with voting in the continuity candidate who is going down the same useless path

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Am I the only one that thinks at this stage that NOTHING is clear?

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Am I the only be that thinks at this stage that NOTHING is clear?

We keep being told "clearly" that stuff has happened, though.

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I'm not complaining I'm saying you can see how ring fenced money can be spent on other things. Is that a crime I have no idea.

There has clearly been mismanagement and some of the branch davidians are having aneurisms as dear leader is coming undone. I'm just annoyed that this shambles will put back independence for years, along with voting in the continuity candidate who is going down the same useless path

That’s where I am. Sturgeon’s legacy is to see the Indy dream dead for at least a decade. It’s hard to believe that only a matter of weeks ago we were looking at a special conference to drive things forward.

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We keep being told "clearly" that stuff has happened, though.

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Stuff has undoubtedly happened, I'm not talking about any of the legal stuff. The treasurer quit as wasn't allowed to look at the books. The new treasurer says snp is running out of cash and legal fees and by election will push them. The auditors quit 8 months ago, NEC members say they weren't informed, they can't find an auditor yet close to the deadline. Sturgeon told the NEC that finances were good. They needed a 100k loan whilst buying a 100k campervan that sat outside the presidents mums house for 2 years, Humza said he should have been told about van.

That's just stuff that is known and is ignoring the whole legal criminal angle

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Sunday mail with more. If its footage I'm not sure how Sturgeon can back away from saying accounts never been stronger

https://mobile.twitter.com/johncferg...67842268839937


John Ferguson
@johncferguson
💥Police passed emails claiming Sturgeon blocked finance scrutiny
💥Footage of former FM angrily telling NEC accounts ‘never been stronger’ and not to talk about them - weeks before fraud probe launched
💥Jewellery purchases being investigated
💥Portuguese villa revealed

Whatever all that means, it's certainly another cracking Sunday of front pages for the SNP:

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Scotland’s ferry network is sinking, and taking the SNP with it | The Spectator

"If the SNP are booted out of western islands, it will be a well-deserved comeuppance for the party’s complete disregard for Scotland’s islanders. The ferries fiasco is the scandal that should have brought down the SNP long before we got to police raids and seizing a luxury campervan."

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Am I the only one that thinks at this stage that NOTHING is clear?

The only thing that is clear is that the speculation around anything SNP is like a circus that arrives in town promising a lion taming show but once you've bought your ticket it turns out to be a flea circus.

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Scotland’s ferry network is sinking, and taking the SNP with it | The Spectator

"If the SNP are booted out of western islands, it will be a well-deserved comeuppance for the party’s complete disregard for Scotland’s islanders. The ferries fiasco is the scandal that should have brought down the SNP long before we got to police raids and seizing a luxury campervan."

I’m surprised that Blackford wanting to call in the military to sort out the SNP Government’s mess hasn’t attracted more comment. The scandal is not that we failed to deliver two new ferries, it is that we have let our Islanders down so badly by not making alternative plans. And still nobody takes responsibility.

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I’m surprised that Blackford wanting to call in the military to sort out the SNP Government’s mess hasn’t attracted more comment. The scandal is not that we failed to deliver two new ferries, it is that we have let our Islanders down so badly by not making alternative plans. And still nobody takes responsibility.

That ferry is not run by the SG. It’s run by Highland Council. And it was them who asked Blackford to help them ask for military assistance. Well done to Blackford for jumping in to provide assistance.


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That ferry is not run by the SG. It’s run by Highland Council. And it was them who asked Blackford to help them ask for military assistance. Well done to Blackford for jumping in to provide assistance.


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You are right. It does however form part of the needless disruption to people’s lives on our islands and more far flung communities.
This particular shambles is down to the SNP / Independent controlled Highland Council.

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Whatever all that means, it's certainly another cracking Sunday of front pages for the SNP:

After all those years of those papers giving nothing but positive front pages to the SNP, it's came to this.

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It's absolutely ridiculous that it's being emphasised that the British army are helping. **** off its equally our Scottish army and 10% of it will be ours post independence. Sometimes the services help out councils when needed ie bins. That's not excusing the poor service but the uk isn't helping, we are helping ourselves using our resources

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It's as clear as mud. And there's a lot of mud being thrown round at the moment.

When it's pointed out that the SNP is not actually responsible for day to day ferry operations, there's an immediate switch to blame the SNP controlled Highland Council. Yet when you look at the political composition of Highland Council you find that, yes, the SNP are the largest party, but it's a minority administration. They have 22 councillors out of 74. Some people just want to blame the SNP for everything.

https://www.highland.gov.uk/councillors/party

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It's as clear as mud. And there's a lot of mud being thrown round at the moment.

When it's pointed out that the SNP is not actually responsible for day to day ferry operations, there's an immediate switch to blame the SNP controlled Highland Council. Yet when you look at the political composition of Highland Council you find that, yes, the SNP are the largest party, but it's a minority administration. They have 22 councillors out of 74. Some people just want to blame the SNP for everything.

https://www.highland.gov.uk/councillors/party

Who's budget was it?

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I’m surprised that Blackford wanting to call in the military to sort out the SNP Government’s mess hasn’t attracted more comment. The scandal is not that we failed to deliver two new ferries, it is that we have let our Islanders down so badly by not making alternative plans. And still nobody takes responsibility.

I'm sure I recall Sturgeon taking responsibility for the ferries contract.

But these issues are seldom clear cut. Why do we have failing ferry services? Could it be that a complete lack of investment in our lifeline ferry services by previous administrations might have some impact on the current situation? Labour were in power in the SG from 1999 to 2007. Let's see how many ferries were built in that period ...

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I'm sure I recall Sturgeon taking responsibility for the ferries contract.

But these issues are seldom clear cut. Why do we have failing ferry services? Could it be that a complete lack of investment in our lifeline ferry services by previous administrations might have some impact on the current situation? Labour were in power in the SG from 1999 to 2007. Let's see how many ferries were built in that period ...

Who ran calmac before devolution?

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It's as clear as mud. And there's a lot of mud being thrown round at the moment.

When it's pointed out that the SNP is not actually responsible for day to day ferry operations, there's an immediate switch to blame the SNP controlled Highland Council. Yet when you look at the political composition of Highland Council you find that, yes, the SNP are the largest party, but it's a minority administration. They have 22 councillors out of 74. Some people just want to blame the SNP for everything.

https://www.highland.gov.uk/councillors/party

Some people want to absolve the SNP of blame for anything.

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Some people want to absolve the SNP of blame for anything.

Ha, very good. I'm not saying they're blameless, just that these things are seldom as simple as we sometimes like to think.

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Who ran calmac before devolution?

No idea.

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Who's budget was it?

Your question is unclear.

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Your question is unclear.

Which parties council budget is it. I've checked it's snp's as with previous years. Lots of the independents vote with them

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No idea.

The secretary of state for Scotland. Calmac were nationalised in the 1940s.

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Some people want to absolve the SNP of blame for anything.

It's certainly unusual to see the likes of Blackford lauding the broad shoulders of the union ;-)

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Some people want to absolve the SNP of blame for anything.

Does context absolve blame?



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Ha, very good. I'm not saying they're blameless, just that these things are seldom as simple as we sometimes like to think.

And I agree.

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Does context absolve blame?



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Depends what the context in the answer could be yes or no, in this instance no