SNP are lying b******s as well !

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I agree, but he needs to start giving the impression he’s getting on top of it instead of reacting to each thing as it comes out. He should be starting to announce proper investigations and suspensions by now. No matter the police investigations, there was some bad business practises here and not just by Murrell. He needs to start cleaning house.


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Lol at you taking a harder line than me. A role reversal. I do agree with you on this but I suspect humza is only learning as he goes.

The sad fact is that many of us called out our distrust of the snp and it was dismissed out of hand at the time. I do agree though that it’s not appearing to be criminal charges and it’s not as bad as Westminster. However we should expect better.

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Lol at you taking a harder line than me. A role reversal. I do agree with you on this but I suspect humza is only learning as he goes.

The sad fact is that many of us called out our distrust of the snp and it was dismissed out of hand at the time. I do agree though that it’s not appearing to be criminal charges and it’s not as bad as Westminster. However we should expect better.

I do expect better. That’s why there needs to be full disclosure now and better procedures in place to stop it happening again.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opin...liddle-liddle/

A good article on what needs to start happening. Yousaf needs to get on top of the story. His communications have so far been horrific.


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https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opin...liddle-liddle/

A good article on what needs to start happening. Yousaf needs to get on top of the story. His communications have so far been horrific.


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For such a high profile post, advertised for 8 days only

http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=88389

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I saw an interview with Geoff Aberdein recently and I warmed to the guy and thought he appeared to be someone who could do a good job.

Is there a suggestion he could stand for an elected position?

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I do expect better. That’s why there needs to be full disclosure now and better procedures in place to stop it happening again.


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They could start by encouraging all MSPs and ministers to be aware of what's in publicly available documents like their own party's accounts

[Berwickhibby]

More wasted money

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/scott...paign=sharebar

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More wasted money

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/scott...paign=sharebar

If you read the article it looks like it’s doing very well? Or was the headline enough?


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If you read the article it looks like it’s doing very well? Or was the headline enough?


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Read the article ….losing money, should the investors remove their funds then it’s knackered

[Moulin Yarns]

Headlines £3.4m loss.

Article £165m net assets.

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Read the article ….losing money, should the investors remove their funds then it’s knackered

It's a loss if you conveniently ignore the investments made with the profits. A very selective article headline.

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Read the article ….losing money, should the investors remove their funds then it’s knackered

Wow, are you telling me that if people withdraw their money from banks, the bank is knackered? This is amazing. Do other people know about this?


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"a loss of £3.4m, largely due to the early valuation profile of fund investments where unrealised losses are expected, followed by capital appreciation in later years."

Also, set-up costs which won't recur in the future.

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https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opin...liddle-liddle/

A good article on what needs to start happening. Yousaf needs to get on top of the story. His communications have so far been horrific.


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As you say, repeatedly admitting he didn't know about the issues he's being questioned about makes him look ever more like the Murrells' willing stooge. It's hard/impossible to imagine he'd have won the leadership election on a 'continuity' ticket had the membership been party to what was happening behind the scenes.

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More wasted money

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/scott...paign=sharebar

Where was it wasted? How much was wasted? You surely have the answers. 😂

[Ozyhibby]

That bank story has given me some reassurance that some good things are happening with the economy.


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As you say, repeatedly admitting he didn't know about the issues he's being questioned about makes him look ever more like the Murrells' willing stooge. It's hard/impossible to imagine he'd have won the leadership election on a 'continuity' ticket had the membership been party to what was happening behind the scenes.

I think humza genuinely didn’t know. It appears only the murrells and maybe a few select others did. However the murrells won’t disclose what they knew as they seem to have bad memories. Those that did know don’t seem willing to disclose what they knew.

I agree with Ozy in another post that his commas have been bad and this is him effectively not having the support behind him that he thought he had and at the same time being faced with sorting the mess that’s been left for him.

Now of course none of this is going to be a criminal act and there will be no charges, but it’s confirmation about how misleading things actually were. It’s going to take some fixing

What’s even worse is that there is no one on the other side who appears capable of appearing to be an alternative safe pair of hands.

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I think humza genuinely didn’t know. It appears only the murrells and maybe a few select others did. However the murrells won’t disclose what they knew as they seem to have bad memories. Those that did know don’t seem willing to disclose what they knew.

I agree with Ozy in another post that his commas have been bad and this is him effectively not having the support behind him that he thought he had and at the same time being faced with sorting the mess that’s been left for him.

Now of course none of this is going to be a criminal act and there will be no charges, but it’s confirmation about how misleading things actually were. It’s going to take some fixing

What’s even worse is that there is no one on the other side who appears capable of appearing to be an alternative safe pair of hands.

Again, the accounts.

The accounts show the bus and the loan. They also show, and talk about, the independence fundraising.

The accounts were approved by the Murrells and the party treasurer.

Heartily agree with your last comment. Good government needs good opposition, and the latter has been poor for too long.

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Again, the accounts.

The accounts show the bus and the loan. They also show, and talk about, the independence fundraising.

The accounts were approved by the Murrells and the party treasurer.

Heartily agree with your last comment. Good government needs good opposition, and the latter has been poor for too long.

It’s probably Yousaf’s saving grace. The fact is, out of him, Sarwar and Ross, he looks like the best bet of the three. It’s slim pickings but it’s all we have.


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Again, the accounts.

The accounts show the bus and the loan. They also show, and talk about, the independence fundraising.

The accounts were approved by the Murrells and the party treasurer.

Heartily agree with your last comment. Good government needs good opposition, and the latter has been poor for too long.

Do the accounts tell us what the ringfenced independence fundraising was spent on?

I assume peter would have just shown them the accounts and that’s why he wasnt charged

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Do the accounts tell us what the ringfenced independence fundraising was spent on?

I assume peter would have just shown them the accounts and that’s why he wasnt charged

This is what the accounts say:-

Referendum Appeal

By 31 December 2021, a total of £740,822 had been raised through the independence related
appeals. These donations are also included in – and have been reconciled with – the total
amount for donations included in Party accounts from 2017 to 2021. Up until 31 December 2021
a total of £253,335 of expenditure had been applied against this income. The balance remains
“earmarked” for independence related campaigning.

Of course, the SNP is the party of independence and, as such, every action we take – directly or
indirectly – is in support of winning independence. However, we continue to take a very strict
approach to ensuring that this income supports expenditure directly related to the campaign
for independence. We will ensure that an amount equivalent to the sums raised from these
appeals will go directly to our work to secure a referendum and win independence.

The £253k isn't broken down any further. However, there is an amount of £1.6m in 2021 for "Campaigning Costs", which seems the best home for that £253k.

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Do the accounts tell us what the ringfenced independence fundraising was spent on?

I assume peter would have just shown them the accounts and that’s why he wasnt charged

The ‘ringfenced’ reference is tricky? I don’t think there is any legal commitment to do so. Not arguing what is right and wrong here, just what’s legal.
I’m struggling to see how this is a legal issue.


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The accounts seem pretty clear. And there's no mention of "ring fencing".

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I’m surprised there hasn’t been a charge yet? Given the size of the police operation, they must have been pretty certain a crime had been committed?


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[Skol]

But the fund raising was pretty clear that the money would be ring fenced. But it hasn’t been.

I am now lawyer or accountant, as is probably clear. But I can see when something has been misleading.

I have said in a few posts I don’t believe there will be any charge. However it doesn’t make it right. All my opinion of course.

I guess it’s not unlike vlad selling the cash only shares to jumbos

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But the fund raising was pretty clear that the money would be ring fenced. But it hasn’t been.

I am now lawyer or accountant, as is probably clear. But I can see when something has been misleading.

I have said in a few posts I don’t believe there will be any charge. However it doesn’t make it right. All my opinion of course.

I guess it’s not unlike vlad selling the cash only shares to jumbos

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/ringfence.asp

"Ring-fencing can also describe earmarking assets for a particular purpose."

The accounts use the term "earmarked". Had that been not true, or the number wrong, the auditors wouldn't have given them a clean report.

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https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/ringfence.asp

"Ring-fencing can also describe earmarking assets for a particular purpose."

The accounts use the term "earmarked". Had that been not true, or the number wrong, the auditors wouldn't have given them a clean report.

The accounts might say that. The seperate website they set up to raise the funds didn’t.

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The party has been able to be run by a tight group of individuals who are married or friends - or both
It's not healthy and it's hard to imagine many other arenas where the CEO and leader of a party be married. Especially when one is first min.

Take into account Robison is Sturgeons best pal and was hitched to Stuart Hosie. Angus Robertson another in the inner circle also married to a key party worker. Is it hard to imagine Robison and Robertson didn't know this was on the cards? The lack of the latter's candidacy for the leadership was interesting in itself.

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The party has been able to be run by a tight group of individuals who are married or friends - or both
It's not healthy and it's hard to imagine many other arenas where the CEO and leader of a party be married. Especially when one is first min.

Take into account Robison is Sturgeons best pal and was hitched to Stuart Hosie. Angus Robertson another in the inner circle also married to a key party worker. Is it hard to imagine Robison and Robertson didn't know this was on the cards? The lack of the latter's candidacy for the leadership was interesting in itself.

It’s like the old Etonian Tories on speed.

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The accounts might say that. The seperate website they set up to raise the funds didn’t.

Did it say "ring-fenced"?

That article I posted suggests that it means the same as "ear-marked".I'm not so sure, though.