Climate change and the impending apocalypse

[hibsbollah]

Sea grass made an appearance In Attenboroughs Wild Isles this evening, for those interested in what the stuff that will soon be coating the Granton seabed actually looks like.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/04...re-collapsing/

Nothing to do with climate change but it is an issue that presents us with dangers going forward for sustainability. Especially in Scotland with our plummeting birth rate.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/cnn/status/16457...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Americans moving to electric cars.


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[AgentDaleCooper]

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https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/04...re-collapsing/

Nothing to do with climate change but it is an issue that presents us with dangers going forward for sustainability. Especially in Scotland with our plummeting birth rate.


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it's linked to climate change in so far as that it might actually be a good thing on that front, and necessitate a move away from growth based economies. that's not to say it will be fun

[Pretty Boy]

On the face of it this seems a positive:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65240094

[Edina Street]

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anyone worried about it?

I would not go as far as to say that I am a climate change denialist. But I am concerned that the crisis is being exploited by corporations, governments and councils, for monetary gain.

Then again, I have a past history of being wrong about certain things, so this could be yet another theory that I am wrong about.

[Pretty Boy]

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https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/04...re-collapsing/

Nothing to do with climate change but it is an issue that presents us with dangers going forward for sustainability. Especially in Scotland with our plummeting birth rate.


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One of the fundamental issues is that having kids these days just isn't all that attractive.

I love my children dearly (obviously) but there is little doubt they have put a strain on our household finances. We really can't afford a house big enough for us as a family of 4 never mind adding another 1 or 2 into the mix. The lack of funded childcare for under 3s means my wife has had to switch down to part time hours. Feeding a family isn't cheap, heating a house for a family isn't cheap, clothing a family isn't cheap etc etc. I daresay it's always been thus but it feels that over the last 15-20 years, arguably a bit longer, the costs have risen at a rate not matched by wages, particularly when it comes to housing.

As the article suggests I know a decent number of friends and family who have no children and have absolutely no desire to have them and of those that do most have 1 or 2 and have taken steps to ensure that is it. I'd love more children, everything about them fascinates me, I love spending time with them and watching them grow and develop their own personalities and characters. The fact is though I just can't afford it and it would be irresponsible to make such a decision.

[Ozyhibby]

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One of the fundamental issues is that having kids these days just isn't all that attractive.

I love my children dearly (obviously) but there is little doubt they have put a strain on our household finances. We really can't afford a house big enough for us as a family of 4 never mind adding another 1 or 2 into the mix. The lack of funded childcare for under 3s means my wife has had to switch down to part time hours. Feeding a family isn't cheap, heating a house for a family isn't cheap, clothing a family isn't cheap etc etc. I daresay it's always been thus but it feels that over the last 15-20 years, arguably a bit longer, the costs have risen at a rate not matched by wages, particularly when it comes to housing.

As the article suggests I know a decent number of friends and family who have no children and have absolutely no desire to have them and of those that do most have 1 or 2 and have taken steps to ensure that is it. I'd love more children, everything about them fascinates me, I love spending time with them and watching them grow and develop their own personalities and characters. The fact is though I just can't afford it and it would be irresponsible to make such a decision.

Totally agree. Scotland need people to start having more children. To do that we need to put in place policies to make that an attractive choice. Number one in that has to be housing. There has to be a supply of houses that makes it so that a young couple on average wages can easily afford a family home, whether that is renting or buying.
We then have to make sure that childcare is available and affordable.
And we also have to make sure that we have an amazing education system for these children to go into.
Sadly, I don’t think any of this will happen.


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Totally agree. Scotland need people to start having more children. To do that we need to put in place policies to make that an attractive choice. Number one in that has to be housing. There has to be a supply of houses that makes it so that a young couple on average wages can easily afford a family home, whether that is renting or buying.
We then have to make sure that childcare is available and affordable.
And we also have to make sure that we have an amazing education system for these children to go into.
Sadly, I don’t think any of this will happen.


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I didn’t think it’s just about finances and living situation.

Imo many people just don’t want to have more than 1 or 2 kids many more in the the way that the post war generation were happy to do. There are probably a lot of factors in this with the most likely being Woman’s equal role in the workplace / earning income compared to previous generations where woman were viewed as mothers first and everything else second to that .

The number of families having 3+ kids isn’t enough to balance out the number of people who have no kids or just the 1, through choice or otherwise. The population isn’t going to go up without immigration any time soon.

[The_Exile]

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The population isn’t going to go up without immigration any time soon.

This has always been the case. We are a nation reliant on a healthy number of immigrants coming into the workforce. The probelm is that there's nowhere for them to live any more, there is literally no affordable housing available. I've been in the system of seeking affordable housing for 8 years now and I keep getting constantly told no, so I'm stuck in a 1 bedroom flat with 3 kids and unable to afford private rental rates for larger properties.

We need young voters to start voting for parties that will put affordable housing at the very top of the agenda as not many old boomers will use their vote to willingly reduce their house price, ti's why the Tories continue to get massive numbers of voters. The problem with that is that young voters simply do not turn out in the numbers needed to enforce change in their society. I was guilty of it myself as I'm sure a load of us all were, I don't think I started voting until society started failing me. There's no easy answer.

[Pretty Boy]

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This has always been the case. We are a nation reliant on a healthy number of immigrants coming into the workforce. The probelm is that there's nowhere for them to live any more, there is literally no affordable housing available. I've been in the system of seeking affordable housing for 8 years now and I keep getting constantly told no, so I'm stuck in a 1 bedroom flat with 3 kids and unable to afford private rental rates for larger properties.

We need young voters to start voting for parties that will put affordable housing at the very top of the agenda as not many old boomers will use their vote to willingly reduce their house price, ti's why the Tories continue to get massive numbers of voters. The problem with that is that young voters simply do not turn out in the numbers needed to enforce change in their society. I was guilty of it myself as I'm sure a load of us all were, I don't think I started voting until society started failing me. There's no easy answer.

The fundamental issue is that no parties are offering anything radical with regards to housing. I think Scottish Labour mentioned something about compulsory purchase orders on empty properties and selling them for £1 to people who committed to living in them for 5 years (broadly that was it, I can't totally recall). That's the kind of thing that would win my vote.

It's bizarre. It's a huge youth vote winner across the country. I've said it before but the stats don't lie. House prices have raced ahead of average wages, ownership is stagnating in all age groups and falling in under 40s. The status quo is unsustainable.

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/sport/just-stop-...kins-and-perry


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[Jones28]

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https://news.stv.tv/sport/just-stop-...kins-and-perry


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Getting the usual derision on social media.

It's really quite depressing to read some of the comments.

[hibsbollah]

I don’t like snooker. And the cause couldn’t be more important, so good on him. It’s not hurting anyone, think of it as a bit of performance art. And folk threatening to kick **** out of him online says more about the people involved really.

[Callum_62]

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Getting the usual derision on social media.

It's really quite depressing to read some of the comments.

Stephen Hendry tackling the big issue it seems

“It is scary. Wow! You just hope the cloth can be recovered from that. It caught us all by surprise and then this happens.

For me, straight away as a snooker player I am thinking: ‘Is the table recoverable?’"



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[The Modfather]

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I don’t like snooker. And the cause couldn’t be more important, so good on him. It’s not hurting anyone, think of it as a bit of performance art. And folk threatening to kick **** out of him online says more about the people involved really.

I get that the protestors see it as a more important issue to raise awareness about, but I can’t help but see it as quite a selfish act. I love snooker, and go to the world championships every year. It’s not cheap and that protestor ruined the session for those that had payed good money to watch a match.

Protests, by their nature are likely to be disruptive, but stunts like last night put me off supporting whatever worthwhile causes the protest is about. There’s lots of better targets and opportunities to protest at and doing so at the expense of the public is counterproductive IMO.

[hibsbollah]

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I get that the protestors see it as a more important issue to raise awareness about, but I can’t help but see it as quite a selfish act. I love snooker, and go to the world championships every year. It’s not cheap and that protestor ruined the session for those that had payed good money to watch a match.

Protests, by their nature are likely to be disruptive, but stunts like last night put me off supporting whatever worthwhile causes the protest is about. There’s lots of better targets and opportunities to protest at and doing so at the expense of the public is counterproductive IMO.

Interesting choice of phrase; ‘selfish act’. It’s probably the prevalence of billions of individual selfish acts that have got us to the point we are at right now. (I obviously don’t exclude myself from that analysis). 2023 is going to be a pressure cooker of a year with El Niño making a comeback. If that dude genuinely is enough to put you or put anyone else off doing anything to contribute to mitigating what’s going on, they probably weren’t going to do it anyway.

[hibsbollah]

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Stephen Hendry tackling the big issue it seems

“It is scary. Wow! You just hope the cloth can be recovered from that. It caught us all by surprise and then this happens.

For me, straight away as a snooker player I am thinking: ‘Is the table recoverable?’"



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I hadn’t realised he’d gone into satire. That’s pretty funny for a Jambo.

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I get that the protestors see it as a more important issue to raise awareness about, but I can’t help but see it as quite a selfish act. I love snooker, and go to the world championships every year. It’s not cheap and that protestor ruined the session for those that had payed good money to watch a match.

Protests, by their nature are likely to be disruptive, but stunts like last night put me off supporting whatever worthwhile causes the protest is about. There’s lots of better targets and opportunities to protest at and doing so at the expense of the public is counterproductive IMO.

The same could be said for any industrial action, no? Inconveniencing the public is the whole point IMO.

[The Modfather]

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Interesting choice of phrase; ‘selfish act’. It’s probably the prevalence of billions of individual selfish acts that have got us to the point we are at right now. (I obviously don’t exclude myself from that analysis). 2023 is going to be a pressure cooker of a year with El Niño making a comeback. If that dude genuinely is enough to put you or put anyone else off doing anything to contribute to mitigating what’s going on, they probably weren’t going to do it anyway.

By put me off I don’t mean I’m off out to buy more petrol because of this stunt. More that I’m less likely to support protestors in these instances than if they had chosen different targets. Not a great equivalence, but take terrorism. Obviously we don’t agree with their methods, but I could at least better understand bombing places of authority than hotels or stadiums to support whatever the cause is.

Cynically, I can’t help but think examples like yesterday are as much about the individuals 15 minutes of fame as it choosing the target that will have the biggest impact or best chance of producing productive results.

[Ozyhibby]

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By put me off I don’t mean I’m off out to buy more petrol because of this stunt. More that I’m less likely to support protestors in these instances than if they had chosen different targets. Not a great equivalence, but take terrorism. Obviously we don’t agree with their methods, but I could at least better understand bombing places of authority than hotels or stadiums to support whatever the cause is.

Cynically, I can’t help but think examples like yesterday are as much about the individuals 15 minutes of fame as it choosing the target that will have the biggest impact or best chance of producing productive results.

I’m not sure about that. When it come to attracting attention, that was up there. The imagery would have been exactly what they were looking for and it has likely been shown worldwide and shared a billion times on social media.
And it will fire up their other activists. A bit like PMQ’s or FMQ’s. On its own it doesn’t change many minds but it does fire up your mp’s or MSP’s if you hammer the other guy and also the other side are are depressed.


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By put me off I don’t mean I’m off out to buy more petrol because of this stunt. More that I’m less likely to support protestors in these instances than if they had chosen different targets. Not a great equivalence, but take terrorism. Obviously we don’t agree with their methods, but I could at least better understand bombing places of authority than hotels or stadiums to support whatever the cause is.

What different targets would you suggest? This didn't hurt anyone, caused no criminal damage, delayed the game for what, 30 minutes? Snooker takes an interminable time to play anyway. But they got front page / headline coverage.

[The Modfather]

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What different targets would you suggest? This didn't hurt anyone, caused no criminal damage, delayed the game for what, 30 minutes? Snooker takes an interminable time to play anyway. But they got front page / headline coverage.

It didn’t just delay the other table for 30 minutes, the match with the orange powder wasn’t able to be played. They pulled up the divide so the fans who had payed good money could at least watch a match even if it wasn’t ideal as the table was on the other side.

In terms of better targets, parliament, offices of oil companies, block oil lorries etc etc

[Paul1642]

Snooker just seems like a weird target to me. Out of all the major sports (if it can be classed as that) it must have one of the lowest impacts on climate change.

Go target an F1 race or a football teams who fly to an away game that they could have easy bussed it to.

Or you know, an oil company……

[hibsbollah]

Extinction Rebellion ‘guarding’ the London Marathon and in partnership for ‘clean air’ with the race organisers. Oddly inspiring.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-from-protests

[CropleyWasGod]

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Extinction Rebellion ‘guarding’ the London Marathon and in partnership for ‘clean air’ with the race organisers. Oddly inspiring.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-from-protests

My immediate thought was "remember how the Hell's Angels provided security for the Stones at Altamont? How did that turn out?"

[Glory Lurker]

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Extinction Rebellion ‘guarding’ the London Marathon and in partnership for ‘clean air’ with the race organisers. Oddly inspiring.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-from-protests

The right wing tabs are going to lose their minds.

[archie]

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Extinction Rebellion ‘guarding’ the London Marathon and in partnership for ‘clean air’ with the race organisers. Oddly inspiring.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-from-protests

Is this not more about factional infighting between different environmental groups, given Extinction Rebellion's move away from direct action?

[Pretty Boy]

For a race that loves a bit of meaningless marketing fluff 'we run for clean air' reaches new heights/plumbs new depths.

It's an uncomfortable truth that many runners don't like to face, our sport has a significant climate impact, and as a Six Star major London has one of the biggest. It creates an unholy amount of waste and has a huge carbon footprint. Much of the latter can't really be reduced because the biggest contributor is runner and spectator travel. There is offsetting from London Marathon Events but offsetting is an imperfect solution, if it's a solution at all.

I can see why LME are keen to enter into this partnership if it protects their flagship event. I'm less clear on and just a tad cynical about the motivations of Extinction Rebellion.

[The_Exile]

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Go target an F1 race

I think out of every single sport, F1 is the one that's done more for the sustainability of the Earth than any other, and likely by orders of magnitude. So that's a bit of an odd target. Although there was an attempt to do something at last years grand prix at Silverstone.