SNP are lying b******s as well !

**He's here!** · 09-04-2023 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Glory Lurker

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God almighty, the Tories are simply obsessed by the constitutional question. When will they concentrate on the things that matter?

The only way the constitutional question is getting taken off the table is by removing the independence-obsessed SNP from power. Only then would Scottish politics be freed up to focus on the things that matter.

***Hibrandenburg*** · 09-04-2023 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by He's here!

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The only way the constitutional question is getting taken off the table is by removing the independence-obsessed SNP from power. Only then would Scottish politics be freed up to focus on the things that matter.

I think you'll have to remove the 50% of the Scottish electorate first before the constitutional question is off the table. Like it or not, the SNP are only trying to cater for the wishes of around 50% of the population, democracy huh.

***grunt*** · 09-04-2023 09:18 AM

This all feels very much like Brexit all over again.

***grunt*** · 09-04-2023 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by He's here!

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The only way the constitutional question is getting taken off the table is by removing the independence-obsessed SNP from power. Only then would Scottish politics be freed up to focus on the things that matter.

And those things would be ...?

***Jack*** · 09-04-2023 09:26 AM

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The only way the constitutional question is getting taken off the table is by removing the independence-obsessed SNP from power. Only then would Scottish politics be freed up to focus on the things that matter.

The simple solution would for Westminster to allow the referendum and win that. The independence movement would be put to bed for decades or die out completely. There's no Brexit, EU type crunch coming up anytime soon. There will be no legitimate argument for another referendum after the next one.

Of course if the unionist parties think they'll lose they'll keep kicking the can down the road and the constitutional question will continue to fester.

***Kato*** · 09-04-2023 09:30 AM

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And those things would be ...?

Things that the Labour/Tory Party say matter. He's here doesn't care which one.

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***Stairway 2 7*** · 09-04-2023 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Jack

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The simple solution would for Westminster to allow the referendum and win that. The independence movement would be put to bed for decades or die out completely. There's no Brexit, EU type crunch coming up anytime soon. There will be no legitimate argument for another referendum after the next one.

Of course if the unionist parties think they'll lose they'll keep kicking the can down the road and the constitutional question will continue to fester.

SNP party president says not right now. The first minister says they need a clear and consistent lead in the polls. That's the only way we'll get a referendum. Unfortunately for me his cabinet shows he's more interested in leading than winning no voters to get that lead

***Ozyhibby*** · 09-04-2023 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by He's here!

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The only way the constitutional question is getting taken off the table is by removing the independence-obsessed SNP from power. Only then would Scottish politics be freed up to focus on the things that matter.

All you have to do is win more votes than them. Not looking likely any time soon.

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**archie** · 09-04-2023 09:46 AM

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And those things would be ...?

Health, housing, education, cost of living crisis, just transition from fossil fuels as so on.

***J-C*** · 09-04-2023 10:01 AM

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The only way the constitutional question is getting taken off the table is by removing the independence-obsessed SNP from power. Only then would Scottish politics be freed up to focus on the things that matter.

Strange calling them independence obsessed when the SNP are a party deliberately det up for the one purpose of gaining independence. Surely they're only doing what the voters and party members ask of them, try to gain independence. Do you not think a government can still focus on the day to day stuff and look at independence, they don't just drop everything and say, "it's independence and sod everything else,"

***grunt*** · 09-04-2023 10:03 AM

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Health, housing, education, cost of living crisis, just transition from fossil fuels as so on.

All things that the Scottish Government with their limited resources are managing better than Westminster, because the Scottish Government is focused on making things better for the Scottish people whereas the UK Government is focused on accumulating wealth for themselves and their donors, and keeping foreigners out of the country. I suggest you give independence a go - you might enjoy it. Hundreds of countries around the world thrive as independent countries.

**archie** · 09-04-2023 10:05 AM

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All things that the Scottish Government with their limited resources are managing better than Westminster, because the Scottish Government is focused on making things better for the Scottish people whereas the UK Government is focused on accumulating wealth for themselves and their donors, and keeping foreigners out of the country. I suggest you give independence a go - you might enjoy it. Hundreds of countries around the world thrive as independent countries.

Well that's one view.

***Ozyhibby*** · 09-04-2023 10:09 AM

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Well that's one view.

Which area of govt are Westminster doing better than Holyrood?

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***Berwickhibby*** · 09-04-2023 10:16 AM

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Which area of govt are Westminster diving better than Holyrood?

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Your right …the dive by Humza on his scooter was a lot better than anyone In Westminster

**He's here!** · 09-04-2023 10:28 AM

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And those things would be ...?

You'd need to ask Glory Lurker. He claimed that Labour and the Tories are obsessed with the constitutional question instead of the 'things that matter'. I'm just pointing out that for as long as the dead hand of the SNP controls the agenda there are no other things that matter. That's made clear by the litany of failure Sturgeon left behind her in terms of domestic policy, which seems irrelevant to those who claim the pursuit of independence trumps all else.

***Ozyhibby*** · 09-04-2023 10:29 AM

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Your right …the dive by Humza on his scooter was a lot better than anyone In Westminster

No area then.

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***Ozyhibby*** · 09-04-2023 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by He's here!

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You'd need to ask Glory Lurker. He claimed that Labour and the Tories are obsessed with the constitutional question instead of the 'things that matter'. I'm just pointing out that for as long as the dead hand of the SNP controls the agenda there are no other things that matter. That's made clear by the litany of failure Sturgeon left behind her in terms of domestic policy, which seems irrelevant to those who claim the pursuit of independence trumps all else.

Says someone who thinks the defence of the union trumps all else. Claiming one side to be more obsessed with the constitution than the other is childish. The whole of Scotland is obsessed with the constitution. And it will stay that way until there is a vote.

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***Jack*** · 09-04-2023 10:33 AM

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SNP party president says not right now. The first minister says they need a clear and consistent lead in the polls. That's the only way we'll get a referendum. Unfortunately for me his cabinet shows he's more interested in leading than winning no voters to get that lead

My post didn't reference the SNP though.

HH suggested the only any to remove the constitutional question was for the SNP to be wiped out. I suggested that the constitutional question would be resolved if unionists at Westminster took the lead. By winning the referendum the rebellious Scots and their quest for independence would be crushed for a very long time.

**He's here!** · 09-04-2023 10:40 AM

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Strange calling them independence obsessed when the SNP are a party deliberately det up for the one purpose of gaining independence. Surely they're only doing what the voters and party members ask of them, try to gain independence. Do you not think a government can still focus on the day to day stuff and look at independence, they don't just drop everything and say, "it's independence and sod everything else,"

Seems to me that's exactly what the SNP have done. Presumably because they know it's a bigger vote winner than actually delivering on their supposed priorities.

***Stairway 2 7*** · 09-04-2023 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Jack

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My post didn't reference the SNP though.

HH suggested the only any to remove the constitutional question was for the SNP to be wiped out. I suggested that the constitutional question would be resolved if unionists at Westminster took the lead. By winning the referendum the rebellious Scots and their quest for independence would be crushed for a very long time.

And I'm adding the other parties don't need to do anything. SNP is basically the independence moment in Scotland their president and FM say now is not the time so not much to discuss. They would be insane to go for a vote when the opposition aren't even pushing for one now.

The defacto referendum is dead. The FM says they need a constant clear lead in the polls, not much to talk about till then unfortunately.

**archie** · 09-04-2023 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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Which area of govt are Westminster doing better than Holyrood?

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My starter for ten: Drugs policy (cue 'if only we had safe consumption rooms' arguments).

**archie** · 09-04-2023 10:42 AM

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Says someone who thinks the defence of the union trumps all else. Claiming one side to be more obsessed with the constitution than the other is childish. The whole of Scotland is obsessed with the constitution. And it will stay that way until there is a vote.

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Nice bit of DARVO there!

**~~ronaldo7~~** · 09-04-2023 10:46 AM

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Which area of govt are Westminster doing better than Holyrood?

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Borrowing. 😂

***J-C*** · 09-04-2023 11:02 AM

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Seems to me that's exactly what the SNP have done. Presumably because they know it's a bigger vote winner than actually delivering on their supposed priorities.

If that's your view, then you're far more obsessed with the SNP than they are of independence.

***Stairway 2 7*** · 09-04-2023 12:00 PM

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...hiefs-29664221

Nicola Sturgeon ordered SNP chiefs to stop talking about party finances and insisted they were 'fine'
A recording of meeting of the SNP's ruling National Executive Committee shows the former FM angrily responding to calls for transparency

**ehf** · 09-04-2023 03:34 PM

A Niesmann+Bischoff motorhome was taken from a house in Fife at the same time police searched the home of Nicola Sturgeon and her husband, Peter Murrell, according to the Mail on Sunday.

The same model of campervan can sell for around £110,000.

So about the same amount as Murrell lent to the SNP, then...

***Moulin Yarns*** · 09-04-2023 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by ehf

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A Niesmann+Bischoff motorhome was taken from a house in Fife at the same time police searched the home of Nicola Sturgeon and her husband, Peter Murrell, according to the Mail on Sunday.

The same model of campervan can sell for around £110,000.

So about the same amount as Murrell lent to the SNP, then...

I'm missing the point? He had £220,000 spare?

***Hibrandenburg*** · 09-04-2023 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by ehf

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A Niesmann+Bischoff motorhome was taken from a house in Fife at the same time police searched the home of Nicola Sturgeon and her husband, Peter Murrell, according to the Mail on Sunday.

The same model of campervan can sell for around £110,000.

So about the same amount as Murrell lent to the SNP, then...

Didn't Sturgeon leave home just before the police arrived, have the police checked her alibis or has she been seen in the Fife area around the time of the theft?