SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Jesus.

The CEO of Hibs earned more than twice Nicola Sturgeon did last year. One headed up a mid table football club, one was the elected leader of the country.

That's an argument around what senior roles are paid, but you can't genuinely claim that £140,000 a year isn't a massive wage.

I'd consider £70,000 a great wage personally, and I'd imagine most folk would, and it's double that.
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That's an argument around what senior roles are paid, but you can't genuinely claim that £140,000 a year isn't a massive wage.

I'd consider £70,000 a great wage personally, and I'd imagine most folk would, and it's double that.

20,000 people in Scotland earned more than £150k last year.

And I am arguing it's not a massive wage for the responsibility she has carried for the last 8 years.

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This is such a stupid argument I'm not replying again on the subject of NS' salary.

[Ozyhibby]

Her wage is a good one, no doubt about it but that’s not what’s being talked about here. As far as I could see she paid a fair chunk into her own pension fund but that is it as far as investment goes.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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20,000 people in Scotland earned more than £150k last year.

And I am arguing it's not a massive wage for the responsibility she has carried for the last 8 years.

So 0.75% of workers 😆 its a massive wage as perhaps it should be

[archie]

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20,000 people in Scotland earned more than £150k last year.

And I am arguing it's not a massive wage for the responsibility she has carried for the last 8 years.

In one respect grunt is right. The guy who heads up the company running the DRS is on £300,000! So in comparability terms it's not out of kilter. But it is, to any ordinary person, a massive wage.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I remain bemused as to what they hope to find bearing in mind there's been an 18-month investigation into this. Unless Murrell is plain daft you'd imagine anything incriminating on the premises would be long gone.

Or it never existed 😉

[Mibbes Aye]

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Her wage is a good one, no doubt about it but that’s not what’s being talked about here. As far as I could see she paid a fair chunk into her own pension fund but that is it as far as investment goes.


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I would need to check this but I think you are referring to her MSP pension?

As First Minister isn’t she entitled to 50% of her FM salary as a pension, from the minute she leaves office?

I don’t begrudge her it, BTW. While it certainly is multiples of the average income, there will be loads of examples of people in other jobs getting paid more where you think “WTF?” Same with U.K. PM although for Rishi the PM salary probably barely registers when he’s on his mobile banking app

[He's here!]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/bernard...icola-sturgeon

[Ozyhibby]

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https://news.stv.tv/politics/bernard...icola-sturgeon

Police need a charge soon.


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[WhileTheChief..]

Going back to the start of all of this about the money, why is it a matter for the Police?

I think I read that some individuals had made complaints, but complaints about what?

If the SNP said they’d use the cash for one thing, but instead used it for another, so what?

What did I miss?

[Crunchie]

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Going back to the start of all of this about the money, why is it a matter for the Police?

I think I read that some individuals had made complaints, but complaints about what?

If the SNP said they’d use the cash for one thing, but instead used it for another, so what?

What did I miss?

A quick google will give you a detailed answer, a quick summary would be the money raised by the rank and file was supposed to be ring fenced for Indy2 and they want to know where it is.

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Police need a charge soon.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65202843

For Murrell or Sturgeon? The reference to 28 days in this 'what happens next' analysis doesn't make clear if that's related to charges.

[JeMeSouviens]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65202843

For Murrell or Sturgeon? The reference to 28 days in this 'what happens next' analysis doesn't make clear if that's related to charges.

It’s not. It relates to being released with conditions which can last for up to 28 days.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/sc...-charged-nbsp-

[Since90+2]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65202843

For Murrell or Sturgeon? The reference to 28 days in this 'what happens next' analysis doesn't make clear if that's related to charges.

Why would it be Sturgeon?

As far as I know the Police have given no indication whatsoever that she is under investigation. What makes you think it would be her?

[Berwickhibby]

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Police need a charge soon.


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Why, if there is not enough evidence to reach the the threshold of a criminal charge …remember this is a PFS led investigation where the police are just evidence gatherers.

[Smartie]

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Going back to the start of all of this about the money, why is it a matter for the Police?

I think I read that some individuals had made complaints, but complaints about what?

If the SNP said they’d use the cash for one thing, but instead used it for another, so what?

What did I miss?

I think this is why it’s a matter for the police - they are trying to establish whether or not there has been any wrongdoing.

£600k isn’t an insignificant amount of money, enough to piss people off if it has been earmarked for something then gets dishonestly whisked away for something else having been contributed in good faith.

So it might end up being something, might end up being nothing, but it’s probably up to the police to help figure out which?

Sadly these things aren’t quite black and white.

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Why, if there is not enough evidence to reach the the threshold of a criminal charge …remember this is a PFS led investigation where the police are just evidence gatherers.

Aye, the police can’t win. No investigation and it’s a cover up. Investigate and it’s an ‘establishment’ stitch up whilst simultaneously being coordinated by the Scottish Government so they could get their man elected in the leadership contest. Erect a tent and it’s a show designed to either humiliate the SNP or to cover up the tip off given so evidence could be destroyed.
It might be that the police have just been doing their job here and what will be revealed will be pretty underwhelming whether charges are brought or not. It has been fun to watch though.

Sarwar has called it right, the over riding scandal in Scotland is the state of our NHS, not this. The sooner minds are concentrated on that the better.

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I think this is why it’s a matter for the police - they are trying to establish whether or not there has been any wrongdoing.

£600k isn’t an insignificant amount of money, enough to piss people off if it has been earmarked for something then gets dishonestly whisked away for something else having been contributed in good faith.

So it might end up being something, might end up being nothing, but it’s probably up to the police to help figure out which?

Sadly these things aren’t quite black and white.

It's the Police bit I don't get.

If I donate money to Hibs to buy players, but the club spends it on painting the stairs instead, I don't go greeting to the police.

I complain to Hibs and don't give them any more money.

[Ozyhibby]

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It's the Police bit I don't get.

If I donate money to Hibs to buy players, but the club spends it on painting the stairs instead, I don't go greeting to the police.

I complain to Hibs and don't give them any more money.

This is politics though. There are disgruntled ex-members to deal with. People who would gladly bring down the leadership. It’s the same with every party. There would be no shortage of people willing to go to the police.
And if there is wrong doing then they are perfectly entitled to do so.


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This is politics though. There are disgruntled ex-members to deal with. People who would gladly bring down the leadership. It’s the same with every party. There would be no shortage of people willing to go to the police.
And if there is wrong doing then they are perfectly entitled to do so.


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The person that went to the police was that loony Sean Clerkin of the Scottish resistance, there's no way he was an SNP member.

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The person that went to the police was that loony Sean Clerkin of the Scottish resistance, there's no way he was an SNP member.

He's an ex Council candidate.

[Skol]

At the end of the day nothing will probably come of this. Yet again though the snp or murrell thinking they are clever tried to cover up what really happened. If he had been honest about where the money went when asked then that would have been the end of it.

And yet still people vote for them because they say independence will be great.

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At the end of the day nothing will probably come of this. Yet again though the snp or murrell thinking they are clever tried to cover up what really happened. If he had been honest about where the money went when asked then that would have been the end of it.

And yet still people vote for them because they say independence will be great.

If he has committed a crime then surely he will be charged?


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It's the Police bit I don't get.

If I donate money to Hibs to buy players, but the club spends it on painting the stairs instead, I don't go greeting to the police.

I complain to Hibs and don't give them any more money.

I think it depends on the nature of the “giving”, the conditions attached to that, the formality of the arrangement and whether any sort of consent was sought for it to be used for a different purpose.

Different people have different takes in situations, and can be motivated by all sorts of stuff.

Here the police help figure out if there is wrongdoing or not. Someone, somewhere is obviously pissed off enough to take it this far. Whether or not that is misguided or malevolent remains to be seen.

[Stairway 2 7]

He spent his campaign saying the opposite but humza now saying governance of the SNP wasn't as it should be.

https://news.sky.com/story/first-min...ld-be-12851270

"Whatever else transpires in this case, it is very, very clear that the governance of the party was not as it should be.

"It was not at its best standard. And frankly, the debacle over membership numbers is just one example of that."

[Stairway 2 7]

No proof it's linked but SNPs auditors have quit after working with them for a decade. SNPs treasures quit this year saying he was refused proper access to accounts to do his job

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65212357

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SNP auditors Johnston Carmichael quit.

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/snp-aud...-investigation

Jeezo, they audited the Hearts when owned by Vlad but the SNP were too much for them.

[Ozyhibby]

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SNP auditors Johnston Carmichael quit.

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/snp-aud...-investigation

Jeezo, they audited the Hearts when owned by Vlad but the SNP were too much for them.

If anything has been going on and they haven’t noticed they should be sacked anyway.


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It's the Police bit I don't get.

If I donate money to Hibs to buy players, but the club spends it on painting the stairs instead, I don't go greeting to the police.

I complain to Hibs and don't give them any more money.

I get your logic, think in this case the SNP can’t/haven’t show the stairs that have been painted or the receipt for the paint and brushes, the money can’t be/hasn’t been accounted for