SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Mcbizz1998]

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quality. Of all the things I’ve deservedly been called over the years, they’ve been far from a nerd.

I only hope 1998 isn’t your birth year given your posts today.

Not including the above quoted one, which I actually really enjoyed

Haha! Im only mucking about mate.

Im a bit older than that unfortunately, not much mind you - had a segamega drive myself back in the day.

[Pretty Boy]

Why does the news keep emphasising Sturgeon and Murrell had 'no prior knowledge' of the arrest and search? If I was going to be arrested tomorrow would I get a friendly phone call tonight saying 'by the way you are going to be arrested tomorrow'?

I get why it might be expected the FM would be made aware but surely not the suspect?

[Ozyhibby]

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Why does the news keep emphasising Sturgeon and Murrell had 'no prior knowledge' of the arrest and search? If I was going to be arrested tomorrow would I get a friendly phone call tonight saying 'by the way you are going to be arrested tomorrow'?

I get why it might be expected the FM would be made aware but surely not the suspect?

I think because of all the speculation today that they did have advance knowledge.


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[Bostonhibby]

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Is not Guinea pig.

Is hamster.

I'll dig them up and check, will get back to you.

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This won't be to everyone's taste, but it's certainly thought provoking http://robinmcalpine.org/how-bad-is-this/

[WhileTheChief..]

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It was only £3.4 million a few months ago

Sickening if true.

I had no idea they were even close to being this wealthy. All made out of their positions in politics, supposedly for the benefit of others.

How is that even possible?

[WhileTheChief..]

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If the Tories moved to the left and wanted to rejoin the EU, would their supporters still vote for them?

I was only asking. Needlessly argumentative response. This thread has got nothing to do with the Tories.

No point trying to deflect away from what's happening.

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If they moved back to where they were in 2014? Yes I think so.


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That's what I'm getting at.

I think there's far more chance of Indy if the SNP were a centre right party. I also think Kate Forbes sees it that way too.

[WhileTheChief..]

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It’s been stated several times today alone, but the SNP and independence are two separate things.

Think that might be a difficult one to sell to the Scottish public in the short term.

For 20 years they've been one and the same thing. You can't brush all that away just by saying it a few times.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Why does the news keep emphasising Sturgeon and Murrell had 'no prior knowledge' of the arrest and search? If I was going to be arrested tomorrow would I get a friendly phone call tonight saying 'by the way you are going to be arrested tomorrow'?

I get why it might be expected the FM would be made aware but surely not the suspect?

Maybe compared to Trump who predicted his arrest.

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Think that might be a difficult one to sell to the Scottish public in the short term.

For 20 years they've been one and the same thing. You can't brush all that away just by saying it a few times.

Your first line I agree with, as it’s been irritatingly difficult to paint what always seems very simple to me.

In the event of independence the SNP would have achieved their ultimate goal. It’s debatable if they’d even carry-on as the same party we know today.

I don’t know who I would vote for if and when we achieved independence. But I’d really appreciate the choice.

I’m not brushing away anything. To me (and can only speak for me) independence is far bigger and much more important than the SNP.. whatever does or doesn’t happen to the SNP now or in the future has absolutely zero effect on my desire for independence.

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That's what I'm getting at.

I think there's far more chance of Indy if the SNP were a centre right party. I also think Kate Forbes sees it that way too.

Forbes is centre left.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...=1000607547652

Today’s Holyrood Sources.


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Months of investigations and still released without charge, they either had evidence or they didn't before they made a spectical of things today.

Indeed. Let's see what the coming weeks and months bring, but all beginning to look like a stageshow and sham.

Maybe there will eventually be another inquiry into police prejudice aided and abetted by the Crown Office.

In any case, the independence movement marches on. Prof John Curtice tonight said the last 3 opinion polls showed a decline in support for the SNP but not for independence.

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Forbes is centre left.


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Katie waiting in the wings to take over. Just a matter of time.

[Ozyhibby]

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Katie waiting in the wings to take over. Just a matter of time.

Patience required there.


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Patience required there.


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Indeed. The recent turmoil in the SNP should hopefully encourage the 'we demand independence tomorrow' group to back off and become more realistic.

A good time for the independence movement to re-group and come back stronger.

Unionists are complacent (as can be seen by those on this thread repeatedly) and as long as they continue to be so, the momentum towards independence will be unstoppable.

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Why does the news keep emphasising Sturgeon and Murrell had 'no prior knowledge' of the arrest and search? If I was going to be arrested tomorrow would I get a friendly phone call tonight saying 'by the way you are going to be arrested tomorrow'?

I get why it might be expected the FM would be made aware but surely not the suspect?

There's a strand of anti Sturgeon nationalists who believe she was tipped off before she resigned. Not helped by a garbled report from a journalist who reported she left before the police arrived.

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If the SNP moved to the right and away from the progressive stuff, would their supporters still want Indy?

They'd find another vessel to independence. The SNP are popular in Scotland because they are both more left of centre than Labour and want independence. If they drifted right like Labour have then they'd lose votes.

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There's a strand of anti Sturgeon nationalists who believe she was tipped off before she resigned. Not helped by a garbled report from a journalist who reported she left before the police arrived.

If she'd been there when the police arrived, then you'd be speculating that she waited because she was tipped off that they were coming. That's about the long and short of the unionist storyline the last few years.

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Forbes is centre left.


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Which would be a huge shift to the right from where we've been

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Do we expect NS to continue as an MSP until the next election?

If it's shown that she's lied about of any of this, she would have to stand down, meaning a by-election.

For such a smart political operator for so long, how has she got this so spectacularly wrong. She must have known that these things always come out eventually.

[Since90+2]

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Do we expect NS to continue as an MSP until the next election?

If it's shown that she's lied about of any of this, she would have to stand down, meaning a by-election.

For such a smart political operator for so long, how has she got this so spectacularly wrong. She must have known that these things always come out eventually.

She's not been arrested or charged with anything whatsoever.

Unless you know more than Police Scotland do? Suspicion on your behalf, simply because you don't like her, doesn't count.

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Forbes is centre left.


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So were Blair and Brown, allegedly.

[Since90+2]

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So were Blair and Brown, allegedly.

They were Communists compared to the current gang at Westminster.

[Crunchie]

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Do we expect NS to continue as an MSP until the next election?

If it's shown that she's lied about of any of this, she would have to stand down, meaning a by-election.

For such a smart political operator for so long, how has she got this so spectacularly wrong. She must have known that these things always come out eventually.

She's in a bunker somewhere with Swinney writing her memoirs for her money making book.

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So were Blair and Brown, allegedly.

I still think of them as such. Encouraging the generation of wealth so that you can redistribute it is very much centre left.


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[He's here!]

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Why does the news keep emphasising Sturgeon and Murrell had 'no prior knowledge' of the arrest and search? If I was going to be arrested tomorrow would I get a friendly phone call tonight saying 'by the way you are going to be arrested tomorrow'?

I get why it might be expected the FM would be made aware but surely not the suspect?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/05/police-scotland-questions-peter-murrell-arrest-snp-sturgeon/

Seems reasonable for the Forbes camp to speculate she might have won had news of Murrell's imminent arrest been known earlier.

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I still think of them as such. Encouraging the generation of wealth so that you can redistribute it is very much centre left.


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The only party who redistributed wealth by the stroke of a pen was the conservative party and the right to buy scheme, and that's a fact. No other party has come close or will ever come close.

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The only party who redistributed wealth by the stroke of a pen was the conservative party and the right to buy scheme, and that's a fact. No other party has come close or will ever come close.

Too early in the morning for jokes.


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