SNP are lying b******s as well !

[Crunchie]

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Indeed. The two are inseparable, so unless those who still think independence would be a good thing find a new vehicle for achieving it their stance is now pretty much reduced to: 'We don't want those shambolic Tory eejits running our country so we're sticking by our own bunch of shambolic SNP eejits.'

[Mcbizz1998]

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Who else will give them independence? The comments on here are clear on that, get rid and move on regardless. Before her resignation wee nippy was the best thing since sliced bread to the snp hoardes, now it's get rid and move on haha.

I can list lots of issues and scandals that are higher up the agenda than the corruption within the SNP, but that’s beside the point.

Independence has been dead for a long time, despite what some on here like to believe - however, we have a cultish 45% (give or take) who would have voted for the SNP no matter what. They don’t care that this government has failed on virtually every metric - they want an independent Scotland and would vote SNP even if Sturgeon personally shat in their cornflakes every morning.

My hope now, as this case unravels, that some will wake up. I clearly fundamentally disagree with nationalists on independence, that’s fine - but they need to stop voting for this corrupt, dangerously “progressive” cabal and find a new avenue towards independence. I’m not sure there is anywhere for them to go though, so it will likely continue.

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I can list lots of issues and scandals that are higher up the agenda than the corruption within the SNP, but that’s beside the point.

Independence has been dead for a long time, despite what some on here like to believe - however, we have a cultish 45% (give or take) who would have voted for the SNP no matter what. They don’t care that this government has failed on virtually every metric - they want an independent Scotland and would vote SNP even if Sturgeon personally shat in their cornflakes every morning.

My hope now, as this case unravels, that some will wake up. I clearly fundamentally disagree with nationalists on independence, that’s fine - but they need to stop voting for this corrupt, dangerously “progressive” cabal and find a new avenue towards independence. I’m not sure there is anywhere for them to go though, so it will likely continue.

And what about Unionists voting for a even more corrupt bunch?

We are being shafted on all sides and it's time we took our country back in the hands of Scots that want for the best for Scotland and it's people not corrupt politicians that are only looking out for themselves...

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Indeed. The two are inseparable, so unless those who still think independence would be a good thing find a new vehicle for achieving it their stance is now pretty much reduced to: 'We don't want those shambolic Tory eejits running our country so we're sticking by our own bunch of shambolic SNP eejits.'

Well as someone who fits that bill I would suggest that firstly, the 2 WILL be a separate issue once Independence is achieved. After Indy I would more likely vote independently, or for whichever party suited my agenda.

The SNP are, to me and many others, a vehicle for Indy and no more. FWIW I liked Sturgeon, I thought she most of the Covid stuff right, but made mistakes too.

Re your point about shambolic eejits, the difference is that are the Conservative party in Westminster aren't shambolic, they're so brazen and transparent in their self interest that comparing the two is a bit laughable to be honest.

Having said that, this is no excuse for what has been going on here. Glass houses and stones etc.

[Just Alf]

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Yousaf will be delighted this and the plummeting membership numbers were known after most votes were already cast. I'd doubt the continuity candidate (who won by 1000 votes) would have won otherwise

Yeah... wasn't it the case it was the 2nd choice votes that meant he scraped over the line?

[WhileTheChief..]

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Yep, the SNP are in an almighty mess but let's not lose sight of these issues which are on another level entirely.

Cool, there’s plenty of threads to discuss them, this one’s for the SNP.

You can’t excuse the SNPs actions by pointing to the Tories and shouting “but they did worse”.

That’s not going to cut it any longer.

[SHODAN]

Unionist coalition at Holyrood in 2026, followed by a deliberate stripping away of all the things devolution has given us to make independence as unattractive as possible. Ross or whoever the Tory deputy leader is might fancy a cheeky wee referendum on scrapping Holyrood altogether too.

Thanks, Sturgeon. Thought there might be one politician that wasn't as corrupt at the rest of them.

[marinello59]

Predictable maybe

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[Since90+2]

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Yeah... wasn't it the case it was the 2nd choice votes that meant he scraped over the line?

He got more 1st choice votes than Regan & Forbes.

[Berwickhibby]

What I am having trouble understanding is why the police have erected a forensic tent if they are only looking for documents 🤷*♂️

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What I am having trouble understanding is why the police have erected a forensic tent if they are only looking for documents *

Got to make a show.

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Whereas in my case I quite heavily rely on Mrs One Day Soon to explain plot points that I've missed completely.

It was Murrell. In the study. With the mask, stripit t-shirt and a bag labelled 'LOOT'

[SteveHFC]

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Predictable maybe

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Stolen from elsewhere.

[Mcbizz1998]

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And what about Unionists voting for a even more corrupt bunch?

We are being shafted on all sides and it's time we took our country back in the hands of Scots that want for the best for Scotland and it's people not corrupt politicians that are only looking out for themselves...

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You could have disguised your whataboutery a bit better by avoiding actually using ‘and what about’ at the start of the sentence!

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Do you have trouble interpreting the written word?

You don't think that theft and fraud - allegedly perpetrated by someone in a position of authority - is a form of corruption?

Multiple definitions of all those terms so you could argue it in any direction.

In politics, in our current age, I would suggest 'corruption' is generally used about personal gain derived from bribery, inducements etc. That makes it different from theft and fraud, where the personal gain is achieved by the miscreant themself.

Of course, if you are arguing that Murrell and even Sturgeon are morally corrupt or morally bankrupt, say, I would have to ponder that. I will let you know the outcome of my deliberations

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So in your way of thinking you can't find out new information about someone and change your mind on them?

For what it's worth both Sturgeon and Salmond were pretty much head and shoulders above any other politician of their day, none of any of the information that's come out about either of them since changes that

Not literally

As for metaphorically, no. They were good tacticians early on, but if Sturgeon ever had a strategy it fell apart or got lost. As for Salmond, the thing that stood out for me most was that when he had male opponents he could outspar them often. When it was female opponents he was poor. Annabel Goldie regularly pricked his pomposity and given where her party was at, that shouldn't have been possible.

[Mibbes Aye]

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It is in turmoil. And soon it won’t be. That’s how it works.


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You are doing a great job typing while simultaneously ccrossing your fingers

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You can’t excuse the SNPs actions by pointing to the Tories and shouting “but they did worse”.
That’s not going to cut it any longer.

Why not? Seems a reasonable approach to me.

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Thanks, Sturgeon. Thought there might be one politician that wasn't as corrupt at the rest of them.

Has she been arrested too?

[Berwickhibby]

I seem to recall recently that many posters on here were defending Murrell and the missing £600k that was ring fenced, with great explanations on how the money did not have to be physically in possession or in a bank….but would appear when required funny the Polis and the Fiscal who is lead on this investigation think otherwise

[WhileTheChief..]

A lot of SNP supporters / voters are probably feeling really let down by recent events, and rightly so.

We had years of Sturgeon and Blackford preaching to everyone. Let's see what they've got to say now, if anything. The days of them being able to mock those of who don't want Indy are over.

If you're going to slate everyone else, you really need to make sure your own house is in order first.

[JeMeSouviens]

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It was Murrell. In the study. With the mask, stripit t-shirt and a bag labelled 'LOOT'

Swag, surely? He's not an amateur.

[JeMeSouviens]

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A lot of SNP supporters / voters are probably feeling really let down by recent events, and rightly so.

We had years of Sturgeon and Blackford preaching to everyone. Let's see what they've got to say now, if anything. The days of them being able to mock those of who don't want Indy are over.

If you're going to slate everyone else, you really need to make sure your own house is in order first.

Who? SNP voters? Fwiw, I still think an independent Scotland in the EU is by far the best (somewhat achievable) option to a better society here in the long term. Hope that helps.

[He's here!]

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I seem to recall recently that many posters on here were defending Murrell and the missing £600k that was ring fenced, with great explanations on how the money did not have to be physically in possession or in a bank….but would appear when required funny the Polis and the Fiscal who is lead on this investigation think otherwise

'Woven through the accounts' was the fudged explanation.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Swag, surely? He's not an amateur.

Probably. It did have big dollar signs on it though!

[Just Alf]

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He got more 1st choice votes than Regan & Forbes.

Cheers, must've misread it..

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Well as someone who fits that bill I would suggest that firstly, the 2 WILL be a separate issue once Independence is achieved. After Indy I would more likely vote independently, or for whichever party suited my agenda.

The SNP are, to me and many others, a vehicle for Indy and no more. FWIW I liked Sturgeon, I thought she most of the Covid stuff right, but made mistakes too.

Re your point about shambolic eejits, the difference is that are the Conservative party in Westminster aren't shambolic, they're so brazen and transparent in their self interest that comparing the two is a bit laughable to be honest.

Having said that, this is no excuse for what has been going on here. Glass houses and stones etc.

100% 👍

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Cheers, must've misread it..

He got 48% to Forbes 40% 1st pref, 52-48 once Ash Regan's votes were redistributed. You had to get over 50% to win 1st round.

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A lot of SNP supporters / voters are probably feeling really let down by recent events, and rightly so.

We had years of Sturgeon and Blackford preaching to everyone. Let's see what they've got to say now, if anything. The days of them being able to mock those of who don't want Indy are over.

If you're going to slate everyone else, you really need to make sure your own house is in order first.

Will you be voting Tory again?

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[He's here!]

Tweet from the recently-retired general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation:



Certainly true to say that few journalists were bold enough to dip their toes in this murky story when Sturgeon was still in her pomp. The party's implosion since her unexpected (maybe less so in the light of today's developments) resignation has been more spectacular than even its biggest opponents could have hoped for.