Scottish Independence

[Stairway 2 7]

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It's shocking because it's hugely cynical. Being in politics used to be about helping people and running the country; now it's about getting power and holding onto it.

All politicians do what they can to get power and keep it, I am a bit shocked when they admit it mind

[cabbageandribs1875]

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They only get seats through SNP voters second votes. Why would they give that up.

you're possibly correct but i'm not too sure about that, SNP insisted SNP 1&2 the last time,which i totally disagreed with, and it's the reason we have,for instance, jackie baillie still in, the Blues got her in, SNP don't play the system, far too nice sometimes

[JimBHibees]

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you're possibly correct but i'm not too sure about that, SNP insisted SNP 1&2 the last time,which i totally disagreed with, and it's the reason we have,for instance, jackie baillie still in, the Blues got her in, SNP don't play the system, far too nice sometimes

Yep the tactical voting was quite apparent in certain better together seats.

[Paul1642]

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you're possibly correct but i'm not too sure about that, SNP insisted SNP 1&2 the last time,which i totally disagreed with, and it's the reason we have,for instance, jackie baillie still in, the Blues got her in, SNP don't play the system, far too nice sometimes

Greens received 1.29% (zero seats) in the constituency vote and 8.12% (8 seats) at the regional vote. Meanwhile the SNP vote drops by 7.36% between the two and it’s hard to imagine those votes are going to Labour / Tories.

It’s most likely a bit more complex than this but I think generally speaking greens seats come form SNP vote 2

[Ozyhibby]

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you're possibly correct but i'm not too sure about that, SNP insisted SNP 1&2 the last time,which i totally disagreed with, and it's the reason we have,for instance, jackie baillie still in, the Blues got her in, SNP don't play the system, far too nice sometimes

Jackie Bailie won her constituency if I remember correctly?


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[Ozyhibby]

SNP should only advocate for voting SNP. If people want to act tactically on their own then that’s up to them.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

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Jackie Bailie won her constituency if I remember correctly?


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with the help of blue votes, i should have instead said her winning was enabled by getting the help of Tory voters




Polling expert Prof Sir John Curtice said the result made it unlikely that the SNP would achieve an overall majority.


He added: "Her success looks as though it has been assisted by a squeeze on the third place Conservatives.

Polling expert Prof Sir John Curtice said the result made it unlikely that the SNP would achieve an overall majority.


He added: "Her success looks as though it has been assisted by a squeeze on the third place Conservatives.


"Unionist tactical voting seems to have played a key role in denying the SNP their majority in this election."












"Unionist tactical voting seems to have played a key role in denying the SNP their majority in this election."

[Ozyhibby]

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with the help of blue votes, i should have instead said her winning was enabled by getting the help of Tory voters

Polling expert Prof Sir John Curtice said the result made it unlikely that the SNP would achieve an overall majority.


He added: "Her success looks as though it has been assisted by a squeeze on the third place Conservatives.

Polling expert Prof Sir John Curtice said the result made it unlikely that the SNP would achieve an overall majority.


He added: "Her success looks as though it has been assisted by a squeeze on the third place Conservatives.


"Unionist tactical voting seems to have played a key role in denying the SNP their majority in this election."












"Unionist tactical voting seems to have played a key role in denying the SNP their majority in this election."

I agree with that. Tactical voting did play a part in that. Labour and Tory voters in Scotland are more than happy to swap votes. Their parties tacitly accept it and they pull funding from certain seats to send the dog whistle for it to happen.
I just don’t think the SNP should be going down the same route but if you want it then the co-alition with the greens is it’s own dog whistle that giving second vote to greens is acceptable to them.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

European groups back Scotland's 'world-leading' deposit return scheme | The National


There are fears that the UK Government could block the legislation under its post-Brexit Internal Market Act, with Scottish Secretary Alister Jack calling for the plans to be dropped and a UK-wide scheme to be set up instead.
All candidates for first minister have suggested changing the plans in various ways, with Humza Yousaf calling for a pause for smaller firms, Kate Forbes saying she'd pause the whole scheme and Ash Regan pledging to scrap it in its current form.


looks like Humza is the right choice



But now several organisations across Europe have said the new legislation has inspired new systems – in Turkey, Romania and Greece in 2023; Ireland and Hungary in 2024; and Austria in 2025.


what a progressive country we are, if only their weren't British Unionists fighting against us

[Moulin Yarns]

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Greens received 1.29% (zero seats) in the constituency vote and 8.12% (8 seats) at the regional vote. Meanwhile the SNP vote drops by 7.36% between the two and it’s hard to imagine those votes are going to Labour / Tories.

It’s most likely a bit more complex than this but I think generally speaking greens seats come form SNP vote 2

Maybe a case of green voters giving their first vote to snp as there wasn't a green candidate in the constituency seat?

[Mibbes Aye]

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Maybe a case of green voters giving their first vote to snp as there wasn't a green candidate in the constituency seat?

Why would any Greens vote for a party that made the economic case for independence on the basis of extracting oil? Fossil fuel extraction is still a key plank for the SNP.

Surely no self-respecting Green with any sense of integrity would give up their core principles to help a party like that? Say it ain’t so!

[Moulin Yarns]

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Why would any Greens vote for a party that made the economic case for independence on the basis of extracting oil? Fossil fuel extraction is still a key plank for the SNP.

Surely no self-respecting Green with any sense of integrity would give up their core principles to help a party like that? Say it ain’t so!

All I was saying was it wasn't necessarily the case that snp 1 vote then voted green, it's possible that it was the other way round.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...box=1679955404

Decent assessment of the direction the SNP need to go in. Hopefully over next couple of days we start to see Yousaf put a decent cabinet together.


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[Santa Cruz]

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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...box=1679955404

Decent assessment of the direction the SNP need to go in. Hopefully over next couple of days we start to see Yousaf put a decent cabinet together.


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Another take, noticed it below the article you linked.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tland-politics

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/anandmenon1/stat...dxJXScFNwz8V4A



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[Stairway 2 7]

Sturgeon goes full subservient in her letter to Charlie
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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

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Sturgeon goes full subservient in her letter to Charlie
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That’s boggin, especially the “obedient servant” part. Boke.


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[J-C]

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Sturgeon goes full subservient in her letter to Charlie
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I think you'll find that's a standard way of writing a letter to a reigning monarch, some folk will see anything to have a dig.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I think you'll find that's a standard way of writing a letter to a reigning monarch, some folk will see anything to have a dig.

It's not a dig but it is pathetic. What would happen if she didn't write it in a grovelling way?

[degenerated]

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It's not a dig but it is pathetic. What would happen if she didn't write it in a grovelling way?

she'd be arrested and thrown in jail, probably.

at the very least right wing rags would demand her head be cut off for treason and she be the target of lunatic unionist extermists.

[grunt]

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It's not a dig but it is pathetic. What would happen if she didn't write it in a grovelling way?

If she hadn't written it as she did she'd have been vilified in the press.

[Kato]

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If she hadn't written it as she did she'd have been vilified in the press.

But what new stuff would have happened?

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[Stairway 2 7]

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If she hadn't written it as she did she'd have been vilified in the press.

I don't believe that. She could have wrote a formal letter and the only people that would disapprove are never going to vote for her or independence. I don't think she usually ruled in a way to pander to the right wing media either

[greenginger]

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If she hadn't written it as she did she'd have been vilified in the press.

And cost her ,her chance of a seat in the House of Lords !

[JeMeSouviens]

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And cost her ,her chance of a seat in the House of Lords !

The SNP have up until now never taken a seat in the Lords. Would be quite the development for her to break that.

[grunt]

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I don't believe that. She could have wrote a formal letter and the only people that would disapprove are never going to vote for her or independence. I don't think she usually ruled in a way to pander to the right wing media either

Where have you been for the last 9 years?

[Mibbes Aye]

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Sturgeon goes full subservient in her letter to Charlie
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It’s Swinney I feel for, in all this. At least Sturgeon had a forelock to tug

[J-C]

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It's not a dig but it is pathetic. What would happen if she didn't write it in a grovelling way?

It's not pathetic, it's protocol. Whether or not you agree in a monarchy, they still have to be addressed accordingly.

[Berwickhibby]

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I think you'll find that's a standard way of writing a letter to a reigning monarch, some folk will see anything to have a dig.

I agree 100% it’s a centuries old tradition

[hibsbollah]

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I agree 100% it’s a centuries old tradition

Tradition is sometimes ignored, Blair didn’t follow convention when corresponding with Charles (although that’s when he was a mere Prince of course, but there’s still convention there).

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/13/humble-and-obedient-how-ministers-defied-etiquette-in-replies-to-charles