SNP are lying b******s as well !

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His first response was the “decent start” (?!) and he was applauded by the audience for most of his input throughout. Sure, the woman next to him rolled her eyes a couple of times and his opposition thought he was an “idiot”.

I assumed it was the Keir Starmer tie comments you took exception to. Like I say, no issue for me personally - saying what so many of us think, including Labour supporters. If your main take from Question Time last night was that Stephen Flynn looked an idiot and blew a big chance then I can’t see either of us budging.

I enjoyed him and think he done well. Happy to agree to disagree with no condescending essays required.

Agreed. The tesco guy and the lady sitting to his right just had knee-jerk reactions to whatever he said, hardly a win for them. Did like some of what the tesco guy said.

Can't say I enjoy hearing those things he said on question time as its the reality for the country/unitary state. Seems like whatever crap the Tories fling at the fan some people can't wait to willfully fling themselves towards the backflow and proclaim it practical or patriotic or whatever it is they pretend it to be at any given time. Someone has to say it though. I'd also quite enjoy hearing him say "round and round the ragged rascal ran", but that's and another matterrr.

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His first response was the “decent start” (?!) and he was applauded by the audience for most of his input throughout. Sure, the woman next to him rolled her eyes a couple of times and his opposition thought he was an “idiot”.

I assumed it was the Keir Starmer tie comments you took exception to. Like I say, no issue for me personally - saying what so many of us think, including Labour supporters. If your main take from Question Time last night was that Stephen Flynn looked an idiot and blew a big chance then I can’t see either of us budging.

I enjoyed him and think he done well. Happy to agree to disagree with no condescending essays required.

Your essay wasn’t condescending, be kind to yourself.

I was just intrigued that no one from the SNP fold on here had posted any comment about their Westminster leader, and by the sounds of it, much-preferred Holyrood leader. That was his first appearance on QT wasn’t it?

He got a great round of applause for Tory-bashing, in a way that the ‘outsider’ on the panel can. Then he made his jibe about Starmer. I didn’t take exception to it. I was laughing out loud. More importantly, the audience who had been on his side went stone-cold silent, some rumbling and growling even. Talk about not being able to read a room. It’s little wonder all he ended up doing after that was trying to shout over Lucy Powell.

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Your essay wasn’t condescending, be kind to yourself.

I was just intrigued that no one from the SNP fold on here had posted any comment about their Westminster leader, and by the sounds of it, much-preferred Holyrood leader. That was his first appearance on QT wasn’t it?

He got a great round of applause for Tory-bashing, in a way that the ‘outsider’ on the panel can. Then he made his jibe about Starmer. I didn’t take exception to it. I was laughing out loud. More importantly, the audience who had been on his side went stone-cold silent, some rumbling and growling even. Talk about not being able to read a room. It’s little wonder all he ended up doing after that was trying to shout over Lucy Powell.

Don’t watch QT so not really got an opinion.


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He should already be gone. The party has lied and the buck stops with him.

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He should already be gone. The party has lied and the buck stops with him.

I agree. They have had a shocking couple of weeks.


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Agreed. The tesco guy and the lady sitting to his right just had knee-jerk reactions to whatever he said, hardly a win for them. Did like some of what the tesco guy said.

Can't say I enjoy hearing those things he said on question time as its the reality for the country/unitary state. Seems like whatever crap the Tories fling at the fan some people can't wait to willfully fling themselves towards the backflow and proclaim it practical or patriotic or whatever it is they pretend it to be at any given time. Someone has to say it though. I'd also quite enjoy hearing him say "round and round the ragged rascal ran", but that's and another matterrr.

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I’m glad you made that last statement first, not me . It becomes more prominent when he gets excited and his voice gets higher-pitched too. I would have imagined the SNP did media training for their MPs but then it turns out he has just quit!

And before anyone gets too hot under the collar, one of the things Ed Miliband was lampooned for was his adenoidal voice. It’s a bit cheap to use it as a weapon but it nevertheless has some effect, which I guess says more about people in general than it does about Miliband or Flynn.

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I agree. They have had a shocking couple of weeks.


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Do you not think they should spoil the ballot papers received and re-start the voting process again?

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Snps excuse for lying is awful. They say when they were asked if they had lost 30k members they were being asked if they lost 30k members due to grc.


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Don’t watch QT so not really got an opinion.


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It will be on catch-up. I think they repeat the programme during the week as well.

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It will be on catch-up. I think they repeat the programme during the week as well.

I mean that I don’t ever watch it. It’s not really my cup of tea. And Newsnight on the other channel.


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Mr. Continuity is now Mr. Change.


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I mean that I don’t ever watch it. It’s not really my cup of tea. And Newsnight on the other channel.


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Yeah, I’m being a bit unfair to be honest, sorry.

I go through phases with it. I don’t think it will ever match its heyday, c.1995-1997. The audience used to boo the Tory panellist just about from the minute they were introduced, and every time they gave a response, even if it couldn’t possibly offend anybody

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Mr. Continuity is now Mr. Change.


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Footage emerges of Murray Forde at his exit interview with Murrell

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What did he say, I'm proud of being Mr continuity, Peter Murrell why would I get rid of him he's an election winner, I don't go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories the other candidates should stop listening to innuendo.

He's literally not mentioned change once, any criticism of the snp was doing the opponents work. Now when it's a shambles, they are nothing to do with me I wanted change

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What did he say, I'm proud of being Mr continuity, Peter Murrell why would I get rid of him he's an election winner, I don't go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories the other candidates should stop listening to innuendo.

He's literally not mentioned change once, any criticism of the snp was doing the opponents work. Now when it's a shambles, they are nothing to do with me I wanted change

Yousaf’s slogan should be ‘Follow me, I’ll be right behind you.’

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Mandy Rhodes now - when she was told not to question the press officer's integrity re: J. Cherry questions.

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I’m glad you made that last statement first, not me . It becomes more prominent when he gets excited and his voice gets higher-pitched too. I would have imagined the SNP did media training for their MPs but then it turns out he has just quit!

And before anyone gets too hot under the collar, one of the things Ed Miliband was lampooned for was his adenoidal voice. It’s a bit cheap to use it as a weapon but it nevertheless has some effect, which I guess says more about people in general than it does about Miliband or Flynn.

I like both Miliband and Flynn.

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I like both Miliband and Flynn.

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I voted for Ed in 2010. I think history will treat him more kindly than the electorate did. His policies were portrayed as extreme at the time and are pretty much orthodox now.

As for Flynn, he seems a very earnest fellow, which is an admirable trait in my book. Not enough earnestness these days, regardless of what one is being earnest about.

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Do you not think they should spoil the ballot papers received and re-start the voting process again?

Why? Please explain that as I have no idea why that needs to happen.

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Why? Please explain that as I have no idea why that needs to happen.

If two of the three candidates hadn't asked questions, the members wouldn't have been any wiser about the lack of transparency. They may have made different choices if they knew at the start of the ballot what they know now. The resignations have created speculation which leads to suspicion, I don't think that will go away if Humza wins now. Just think it would remove the speculation if they restart the voting process. I'm obvs not a member or supporter, so my opinion is not as valid as others who are.

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If two of the three candidates hadn't asked questions, the members wouldn't have been any wiser about the lack of transparency. They may have made different choices if they knew at the start of the ballot what they know now. The resignations have created speculation which leads to suspicion, I don't think that will go away if Humza wins now. Just think it would remove the speculation if they restart the voting process. I'm obvs not a member or supporter, so my opinion is not as valid as others who are.

What if HY still wins? I am gutted that the debate has been dragged down by innuendo that could have been sorted if the 3 candidates had attended the meeting that Lorna Finn asked them to a few weeks ago. Imo this has been used by some to divide and cause disruption in the party. Its been great for folk like Cherry and Salmond to use it as an attack on the party. Sal.ond is a bitter ego driven has been and Cherry is a total *****bag. If she really had any conviction she would have left the party and gone to Alba. But she won't as she knows she won't be elected again if she does

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What if HY still wins? I am gutted that the debate has been dragged down by innuendo that could have been sorted if the 3 candidates had attended the meeting that Lorna Finn asked them to a few weeks ago. Imo this has been used by some to divide and cause disruption in the party. Its been great for folk like Cherry and Salmond to use it as an attack on the party. Sal.ond is a bitter ego driven has been and Cherry is a total *****bag. If she really had any conviction she would have left the party and gone to Alba. But she won't as she knows she won't be elected again if she does

You have just described a party ripping itself apart with infighting. Apart from Indy why would anyone vote for them?

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What if HY still wins? I am gutted that the debate has been dragged down by innuendo that could have been sorted if the 3 candidates had attended the meeting that Lorna Finn asked them to a few weeks ago. Imo this has been used by some to divide and cause disruption in the party. Its been great for folk like Cherry and Salmond to use it as an attack on the party. Sal.ond is a bitter ego driven has been and Cherry is a total *****bag. If she really had any conviction she would have left the party and gone to Alba. But she won't as she knows she won't be elected again if she does

If Humza still wins, that removes the ?? around speculation, it puts him in a better position than he will be if he wins as things stand. Totally disagree about Cherry, think she's been treated really poorly. Admire her for standing up for herself when she's been sidelined just for having a different opinion on some issues.

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The dishonesty at the top is now exposed as just being what they thought was clever spin.

This might seem innocuous over member numbers. You need to ask though if they lie about this what else were the lying about.

It is time for change

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What if HY still wins? I am gutted that the debate has been dragged down by innuendo that could have been sorted if the 3 candidates had attended the meeting that Lorna Finn asked them to a few weeks ago. Imo this has been used by some to divide and cause disruption in the party. Its been great for folk like Cherry and Salmond to use it as an attack on the party. Sal.ond is a bitter ego driven has been and Cherry is a total *****bag. If she really had any conviction she would have left the party and gone to Alba. But she won't as she knows she won't be elected again if she does

I don’t think it’s fair now to blame the candidates. I don’t think that information was going to be given had that meeting happened. I think we are well beyond this not being a transparency issue. When the party is lying to its own press officer so that he can lie to the public then that is definitely a problem. While this campaign has now been messy it will be good for the party in the long term. It’s clear now that some people have become too cosy in their roles and had not been following best practice. In future the party must have full transparency over these issues.
And we have to ask why these figures were such a closely guarded secret? It’s a spectacular drop.
I think supporters of the party are entitled to ask questions about why nearly a third of the membership have left?
While I’m happy enough to support the GRA I certainly would not have wasted as much political capital on it as the SNP did. Especially when the other parties who supported it were happy to take a back seat when they saw it could cause problems for the SNP. But if you told me that the GRA would cost the SNP a third of its membership then there is zero chance I would have supported it. And I would have wanted rid of anyone in the party who wanted to pursue that strategy. We are a party bound together by support for Indy above all else. You can’t pursue issues without taking the membership and the public with you.
Ash Regan has done the party a massive favour by going so hard on this issue.


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I would guess that the actual lie was in the overstating of the membership numbers.

They were probably right that they haven’t lost 30k members but ended up being forced to reveal the truth.

It’s a pretty odd thing to be untruthful about though.

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You have just described a party ripping itself apart with infighting. Apart from Indy why would anyone vote for them?

All parties have times like this. It’s probably a bit overdue with the SNP. It will be good for the party in the long run.
Indy is the primary reason that people vote for the SNP. That’s not going away anytime soon. It’s why Labour won’t recover in Scotland the way it will in England.


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I would guess that the actual lie was in the overstating of the membership numbers.

They were probably right that they haven’t lost 30k members but ended up being forced to reveal the truth.

It’s a pretty odd thing to be untruthful about though.

Difficult to speculate why they did it but it’s clear that they should not have concealed it during a leadership race. Especially when there is a favoured candidate of the party big wigs. That has been handled terribly.


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The dishonesty at the top is now exposed as just being what they thought was clever spin.

This might seem innocuous over member numbers. You need to ask though if they lie about this what else were the lying about.

It is time for change

And there’s only one thing that will bring change.