SNP are lying b******s as well !

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You think Labour can win in Scotland in the next 18 months?


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Win? As in a majority of Scottish Westminster seats? Doubtful, but I think they are in with a good shout of becoming a credible contender again.

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I think even their most ardent supporters would acknowledge they've hit troubled waters.

I don't know any SNP supporter who thinks otherwise. No point in pretending on here that all is well just to have an argument with the likes of you. It's a mess, if KF gets in then that will help but there are still huge issues to overcome. I know some longstanding party members and they're scunnered.

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Win? As in a majority of Scottish Westminster seats? Doubtful, but I think they are in with a good shout of becoming a credible contender again.

They are a contender because they're not the SNP. It's certainly not due to anything Scottish Labour have come up with.

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I don't know any SNP supporter who thinks otherwise. No point in pretending on here that all is well just to have an argument with the likes of you. It's a mess, if KF gets in then that will help but there are still huge issues to overcome. I know some longstanding party members and they're scunnered.

Think you're right. The in-fighting and briefings against the new leader, whoever that is, will continue. That's a problem for any political party when that happens, but much worse if the party is in Gov.

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Win? As in a majority of Scottish Westminster seats? Doubtful, but I think they are in with a good shout of becoming a credible contender again.

So not the govt we voted for as you claimed?


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Some context.


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Some context.


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It doesn't mean anything. Look at how many votes the SNP got at the last election when they had over 100k members. Labour got nearly half that amount of votes with less than a fifth of party member numbers in comparison to the SNP.

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Some context.


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Labour are definitely only another post about ferries or link to the telegraph away from taking complete control.

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So not the govt we voted for as you claimed?


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Yeh, I think right now it's a long shot but not impossible if the SNP continue to unravel at the present rate. I do, though, think the Scottish electorate will have a bigger say in who takes power than they have since Blair, even that doesn't equate to a Labour majority here.

Scottish politics has become a stagnant pond under the SNP. Talk of another referendum in five years is hardly going to invigorate their followers. It's time to change the narrative, which should hopefully work in Labour's favour.

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I do find it funny how people are looking at the SNP and talking about unravelling, turmoil etc. That has been the Labour party for my entire voting life, apart from a brief spell when Blair was leader. Tories are always a **** show. Political parties will go through phases like this. Thankfully for snp, and Scotland, it's not their default position

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Some context.


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What are those numbers?

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What are those numbers?

Party members


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Party members


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Thanks. I should have read the subsequent posts.

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It doesn't mean anything. Look at how many votes the SNP got at the last election when they had over 100k members. Labour got nearly half that amount of votes with less than a fifth of party member numbers in comparison to the SNP.

It doesn't mean the amount of voters they attract is proportionate. It does mean what it says though, they have a vastly larger membership.

And also a very high per-capita membership for a UK party notwithstanding this drop off. For comparison, the most recent Lab figure I can see is 430K (equivalent to 35Kish in Scotland) . So Scot Lab is hugely underperforming the UK party when it comes to attracting members. The Tories have less than half of Lab and the poor old Libs less in the whole UK than even this reduced SNP figure.

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Yeh, I think right now it's a long shot but not impossible if the SNP continue to unravel at the present rate. I do, though, think the Scottish electorate will have a bigger say in who takes power than they have since Blair, even that doesn't equate to a Labour majority here.

Scottish politics has become a stagnant pond under the SNP. Talk of another referendum in five years is hardly going to invigorate their followers. It's time to change the narrative, which should hopefully work in Labour's favour.

When half the electorate or thereabouts want Scotland to be a normal country what makes you think they're going to start voting for a unionist party like Labour?

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It doesn't mean the amount of voters they attract is proportionate. It does mean what it says though, they have a vastly larger membership.

And also a very high per-capita membership for a UK party notwithstanding this drop off. For comparison, the most recent Lab figure I can see is 430K (equivalent to 35Kish in Scotland) . So Scot Lab is hugely underperforming the UK party when it comes to attracting members. The Tories have less than half of Lab and the poor old Libs less in the whole UK than even this reduced SNP figure.

All this ‘size of our membership’ talk by SNP supporters sounds a bit FOH to me 😀

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What are the benefits of being a member of a political party? Is it just getting to vote on leadership contests?

Financial support for elections and campaigns (assuming your party tells you where the money went).

A little bit of a chance to try and shape policy at conference etc

Countless emails

20% off at the Co-Op

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When half the electorate or thereabouts want Scotland to be a normal country what makes you think they're going to start voting for a unionist party like Labour?

Because unionist/nationalist isn't the only prism people have in deciding who to vote for.

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All this ‘size of our membership’ talk by SNP supporters sounds a bit FOH to me

You say that like FOH is a bad thing?


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Another SNP loss in Council by election…to the Tories in Stirling 🙄

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Because unionist/nationalist isn't the only prism people have in deciding who to vote for.

It’s is the dominant prism in Scotland. We have Tories voting for Labour and Labour supporters voting tactically for the Tories in Scotland. The constitution is the single biggest issue in Scottish politics and it’s not changing soon. I live in ACH constituency that he won by a country mile and I haven’t met a single person who doesn’t think he’s a bit of a dick but I’ve met loads who voted for him.


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You say that like FOH is a bad thing?


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You’re right. I suppose the difference is FOH members know where their money goes.

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It’s is the dominant prism in Scotland. We have Tories voting for Labour and Labour supporters voting tactically for the Tories in Scotland. The constitution is the single biggest issue in Scottish politics and it’s not changing soon. I live in ACH constituency that he won by a country mile and I haven’t met a single person who doesn’t think he’s a bit of a dick but I’ve met loads who voted for him.


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I wonder if that might change given a)Labour in the UK being in its strongest position for years b) stronger emphasis on getting the Tories out c) possible fall out from SNP leadership election?

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Another SNP loss in Council by election…to the Tories in Stirling 🙄

Dunblane and Bridge of Allan. Always was going to be a Tory win. The SNP vote share went up so not too bad a result while not unexpected

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I wonder if that might change given a)Labour in the UK being in its strongest position for years b) stronger emphasis on getting the Tories out c) possible fall out from SNP leadership election?

It is a fallacy to suggest that you need to vote Labour in Scotland to get rid of the Tories. Labour need to win in England, end of. If they don't they will not win the election.

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Mainly greens going to tory

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Dunblane and Bridge of Allan (Stirling) by-election, first preferences:

Conservative: 1832 (41%, +10.9)
SNP: 1202 (26.9%, +1.1)
Labour: 600 (13.4%, +1.6)
Lib Dem: 399 (8.9%, -0.4)
Green: 389 (8.7%, -7.3)
Family: 50 (1.1%, +0.4)
(Non-returns 6.2% in 2022

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It is a fallacy to suggest that you need to vote Labour in Scotland to get rid of the Tories. Labour need to win in England, end of. If they don't they will not win the election.

The point I'm making is that an electable Labour is a more attractive proposition. That will apply here too. At lot will depend on how the new FM does. If the history of Labour teaches us anything it's that nothing lasts forever.

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It doesn't mean the amount of voters they attract is proportionate. It does mean what it says though, they have a vastly larger membership.

And also a very high per-capita membership for a UK party notwithstanding this drop off. For comparison, the most recent Lab figure I can see is 430K (equivalent to 35Kish in Scotland) . So Scot Lab is hugely underperforming the UK party when it comes to attracting members. The Tories have less than half of Lab and the poor old Libs less in the whole UK than even this reduced SNP figure.

'notwithstanding this drop off'...losing more than 40% of your members in a short space of time is more than a drop-off. It lays bare the party's direction of travel right now, so it's little wonder they were so reluctant to release the figures.

When your raison d'etre is independence (ie a specific cause to rally round) it's more likely you'll get folk signing up to that cause. While other factors/policies will likely have contributed to so many members drifting away, the sense that independence is as far away as ever is the most common reason for disillusionment.

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It is a fallacy to suggest that you need to vote Labour in Scotland to get rid of the Tories. Labour need to win in England, end of. If they don't they will not win the election.

Pretty sure Theresa May had Scottish Tory votes to thank for keeping them in power in 2017. Had Labour been more successful here they'd have been in a position to form a government.

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When half the electorate or thereabouts want Scotland to be a normal country what makes you think they're going to start voting for a unionist party like Labour?

The other half of the electorate or thereabouts would prefer to see the dead weight of constitutional debate pushed way down the agenda when it comes to Scottish politics. In the current economic climate it may well be that the mass exodus of members from the SNP reflects that view too. There are simply bigger priorities for many these days.

Sturgeon kicked up a stink about the 'democracy denial' of the Supreme Court decision and the s35, yet membership has continued to fall in the wake of such rabble-rousing hyperbole (probably a key aspect of her decision to quit). The opportunity to actually make a difference at the ballot box may well sway voters next time out. Labour, though, really need to ramp up their credentials here to ensure that happens, so I suspect we'll see plenty more of the rhetoric from Starmer that he's been coming out with this week.