SNP are lying b******s as well !

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In what way?

(genuine question, no digs implied :-) )

I still don’t understand the reason for the 20p. Also the whole scheme only benefits big business

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I still don’t understand the reason for the 20p. Also the whole scheme only benefits big business

It benefits the environment first and foremost. Saving the planet will come at a cost, not saving it an even bigger one.

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It benefits the environment first and foremost. Saving the planet will come at a cost, not saving it an even bigger one.

thanks for not answering my questions

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I still don’t understand the reason for the 20p. Also the whole scheme only benefits big business

Reduces the work of the Councils who currently pick up recycling, just means they're picking up less. The 20p is the incentive to encourage people to participate. Say if you pay £4 more for cans of drink, you're only way to get that back is to recycle using one of the machines (there might be other ways like in-store, not too sure).

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thanks for not answering my questions

I didn't see a question mark never mind a question.

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Reduces the work of the Councils who currently pick up recycling, just means they're picking up less. The 20p is the incentive to encourage people to participate. Say if you pay £4 more for cans of drink, you're only way to get that back is to recycle using one of the machines (there might be other ways like in-store, not too sure).

these recycling machines will only be available by companies that can afford them ie big supermarkets, therefore more chance you’ll go there and shop than use small stores. People already use 3-4 bins without a 20p incentive so why start now. Also reduces the chances of buying 20p more expensive single cans and bottles and will increase big multipack boxes in supermarket deals which small shops can’t compete with. And this without all the problems that small independent distilleries have highlighted.

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these recycling machines will only be available by companies that can afford them ie big supermarkets, therefore more chance you’ll go there and shop than use small stores. People already use 3-4 bins without a 20p incentive so why start now. Also reduces the chances of buying 20p more expensive single cans and bottles and will increase big multipack boxes in supermarket deals which small shops can’t compete with. And this without all the problems that small independent distilleries have highlighted.

It applies to multipacks too, 20p x however many drinks in single containers in the multipacks. I agree the recycling system we have just now does seem adequate, think the SG are looking to increase participation further by introducing this new system. They'll obvs be thinking of the environmental benefits of the increased uptake, but also decreasing the work of the LA workers who collect and process recycling from all homes. I think the Agency responsible for implementation has been given a fair bit money, I imagine this is to help business, then eventually smaller shops. I mind being well miffed when I smoked and they stopped smoking in indoor public spaces, now think it was a brilliant policy.

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It applies to multipacks too, 20p x however many drinks in single containers in the multipacks. I agree the recycling system we have just now does seem adequate, think the SG are looking to increase participation further by introducing this new system. They'll obvs be thinking of the environmental benefits of the increased uptake, but also decreasing the work of the LA workers who collect and process recycling from all homes. I think the Agency responsible for implementation has been given a fair bit money, I imagine this is to help business, then eventually smaller shops. I mind being well miffed when I smoked and they stopped smoking in indoor public spaces, now think it was a brilliant policy.

I’m all for the policy, businesses still need answers and reassurances on how it will all work and affect them initially. Something no politician has been able to provide yet which is flaming all the backlash

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It benefits the environment first and foremost. Saving the planet will come at a cost, not saving it an even bigger one.

I never go to the supermarket and already recycle all these items in the council recycling boxes that get collected from my front door. These collections will still happen so if I then have to drive to a supermarket to recycle some items then surely that’s harming the environment by adding more car journeys?

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I never go to the supermarket and already recycle all these items in the council recycling boxes that get collected from my front door. These collections will still happen so if I then have to drive to a supermarket to recycle some items then surely that’s harming the environment by adding more car journeys?

If everyone behaved like you it wouldn’t be needed but that’s not the case. We are currently only recycling about 50% of containers compared with 90%+ in countries with the deposit return scheme.
I’ve no idea if the SG is ready properly for this scheme but I’m 110% convinced it’s needed and that it’s not hard to do. If the SG is not ready then it needs paused but it def still needs to happen. And if it’s not ready then Slater needs sacked and someone competent brought in to deliver it.


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If everyone behaved like you it wouldn’t be needed but that’s not the case. We are currently only recycling about 50% of containers compared with 90%+ in countries with the deposit return scheme.
I’ve no idea if the SG is ready properly for this scheme but I’m 110% convinced it’s needed and that it’s not hard to do. If the SG is not ready then it needs paused but it def still needs to happen. And if it’s not ready then Slater needs sacked and someone competent brought in to deliver it.


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👏👏 what most businesses have been saying for months

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I never go to the supermarket and already recycle all these items in the council recycling boxes that get collected from my front door. These collections will still happen so if I then have to drive to a supermarket to recycle some items then surely that’s harming the environment by adding more car journeys?

How do you buy food? Online retailers are obliged to collect containers for those that get home deliveries

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I’m all for the policy, businesses still need answers and reassurances on how it will all work and affect them initially. Something no politician has been able to provide yet which is flaming all the backlash

Circularity Scotland, the organisation responsible for managing the scheme, has literally been set up by businesses. It's self administered with the businesses producing the vast majority of waste onboard

If anybody actually wants to read how it will work, who's responsible for what, who the members are, or if youre struggling to sleep it's all on here.
https://circularityscotland.com/abou...-administrator

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If everyone behaved like you it wouldn’t be needed but that’s not the case. We are currently only recycling about 50% of containers compared with 90%+ in countries with the deposit return scheme.
I’ve no idea if the SG is ready properly for this scheme but I’m 110% convinced it’s needed and that it’s not hard to do. If the SG is not ready then it needs paused but it def still needs to happen. And if it’s not ready then Slater needs sacked and someone competent brought in to deliver it.


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I don't think there's a single country that rolled out the scheme without it having to be tweaked afterwards. It's like most things, it won't be perfect at first but people and the system will adapt. It would appear that Scotland is the only country that has to get new legislation 100% right before it can be implemented. Nothing will change if the bar is set that high.

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👏👏 what most businesses have been saying for months

Imagine a society where business called the shots.

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I don't think there's a single country that rolled out the scheme without it having to be tweaked afterwards. It's like most things, it won't be perfect at first but people and the system will adapt. It would appear that Scotland is the only country that has to get new legislation 100% right before it can be implemented. Nothing will change if the bar is set that high.

It's intentionally set impossibly high to prevent it from happening. There's a hugely anti-progressive agenda flowing through UK politics and media which has a major influence over peoples views. Even if people like to pretend that they're totally not influenced by the media.

Like you say, it doesn't appear to apply to other countries who just get on with it. The UK is trapped in a conservative economic and sociopolitical time capsule, despite the ever increasing long term damage that it has caused.

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I don't think there's a single country that rolled out the scheme without it having to be tweaked afterwards. It's like most things, it won't be perfect at first but people and the system will adapt. It would appear that Scotland is the only country that has to get new legislation 100% right before it can be implemented. Nothing will change if the bar is set that high.

The only thing it appears we are able to do is find problems for every solution.

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How do you buy food? Online retailers are obliged to collect containers for those that get home deliveries

Depending where you live it's still perfectly feasible to do your food shopping at local shops rather than supermarkets, which I'm guessing is what he means.

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Depending where you live it's still perfectly feasible to do your food shopping at local shops rather than supermarkets, which I'm guessing is what he means.

Drinks retailers are legally obliged to take part in the scheme including local shops, so where is the problem?

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The only thing it appears we are able to do is find problems for every solution.

We are not aware of any funding being available to support the Deposit Return Scheme implementation.

there’s a big problem for small businesses selling these products and having to pay for RVM on site.

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Drinks retailers are legally obliged to take part in the scheme including local shops, so where is the problem?

I wasn't referring to the scheme, just responding to someone who seemed to be implying supermarkets were the only places to buy day-to-day food. Might have misunderstood his post tho.

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I don't think there's a single country that rolled out the scheme without it having to be tweaked afterwards. It's like most things, it won't be perfect at first but people and the system will adapt. It would appear that Scotland is the only country that has to get new legislation 100% right before it can be implemented. Nothing will change if the bar is set that high.

But you do have to consider unintended consequences and knock on effects. The DRS doesn’t cover glassware for food packaging. But some local authorities are scrapping glass collection citing DRS. So where does all the glassware go that isn't covered by DRS? Most likely landfill. That can't be an outcome anyone wants.

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But you do have to consider unintended consequences and knock on effects. The DRS doesn’t cover glassware for food packaging. But some local authorities are scrapping glass collection citing DRS. So where does all the glassware go that isn't covered by DRS? Most likely landfill. That can't be an outcome anyone wants.

Those are things that are ironed out once the scheme is up and running.


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Those are things that are ironed out once the scheme is up and running.


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Why are they waiting until then? If a poster is aware of this, why would a Gov Dept not have considered this and found a solution prior to rolling it out? It seems like it's more important to be the first nation in the UK to launch this policy, than to identify and address the problems prior to the launch, which in turn would make it more succesful. I don't even know if plastic milk bottles that I currently recycle along with my other drink containers are included in this.

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Those are things that are ironed out once the scheme is up and running.


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Surely not. Teething troubles are ironed out, not fundamentals. Just to be clear, I think the principle of the scheme is fine, but the execution is all over the place.

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But you do have to consider unintended consequences and knock on effects. The DRS doesn’t cover glassware for food packaging. But some local authorities are scrapping glass collection citing DRS. So where does all the glassware go that isn't covered by DRS? Most likely landfill. That can't be an outcome anyone wants.

Which local authorities are doing this? Wouldn't be Labour run LAs who are proposing to do this for some political motive? Maybe I'm wrong but I'd be interested to see evidence of LAs suggesting this.

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Which local authorities are doing this? Wouldn't be Labour run LAs who are proposing to do this for some political motive? Maybe I'm wrong but I'd be interested to see evidence of LAs suggesting this.

Falkirk have said they will stop collecting from September. Others have raised some concerns.

https://www.letsrecycle.com/news/don...out-zws-urges/

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Which local authorities are doing this? Wouldn't be Labour run LAs who are proposing to do this for some political motive? Maybe I'm wrong but I'd be interested to see evidence of LAs suggesting this.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/...ealed-jobs-go/

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Which local authorities are doing this? Wouldn't be Labour run LAs who are proposing to do this for some political motive? Maybe I'm wrong but I'd be interested to see evidence of LAs suggesting this.

Glasgow and Falkirk are saying they are ending glass pick up both snp. Surely have to add glass jars to the scheme so people don't start throwing them in landfill?

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Glasgow and Falkirk are saying they are ending glass pick up both snp. Surely have to add glass jars to the scheme so people don't start throwing them in landfill?

Well that's disappointing. As you say, needs to be addressed. Perhaps noteworthy that neither has an SNP overall majority.