Coronavirus

[Stairway 2 7]

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Still not bothered though 😉 for someone who floods these threads with links to Twitter.

From actual journalists, not links from the daily mail US

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/j...accine-booster

Looks like boosters in future will be given out in with the flu vaccine in autumn as it was this year. They will also only be given to the same groups 50+ and those with health needs. immunocompromised groups will keep getting a spring booster also. Seemed to be successful this year so I can understand it

[Hibby70]

I'm fully boosted and have just got covid for the second time. Whole family have now got it and it seems as bad as when I got it unvaccinated.

Be careful out there folks.

[Pretty Boy]

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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/j...accine-booster

Looks like boosters in future will be given out in with the flu vaccine in autumn as it was this year. They will also only be given to the same groups 50+ and those with health needs. immunocompromised groups will keep getting a spring booster also. Seemed to be successful this year so I can understand it

I was up at my grandads last night and saw a leaflet sitting about another covid spring booster. I think he might even have already had it but he's not always the most reliable in what he tells you these days so I could be wrong.

[Santa Cruz]

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I was up at my grandads last night and saw a leaflet sitting about another covid spring booster. I think he might even have already had it but he's not always the most reliable in what he tells you these days so I could be wrong.

The winter programme doesn't end until the end of March. He might have been for another type of vaccination and got them confused. Info on the groups eligble was just released last week, noticed it on another forum.

https://www.nhsinform.scot/spring-co...vid-19-booster

[Santa Cruz]

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I'm fully boosted and have just got covid for the second time. Whole family have now got it and it seems as bad as when I got it unvaccinated.

Be careful out there folks.

Hope you and you're family all make a speedy recovery.

[LunasBoots]

Whole family got covid, so much for going out for the Derby don't know if that's a good thing or not 😁

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World beating

[silverhibee]

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World beating

MPs should be in jail the way they handled things.

[Kato]

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MPs should be in jail the way they handled things.

It's only if protest that fact that you actually get the jail.

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[greenginger]

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MPs should be in jail the way they handled things.

Read the para above the graph.
Due to varying protocols etc. ….

[Moulin Yarns]

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Read the para above the graph.
Due to varying protocols etc. ….

Yep, it could be a whole lot more.

[greenginger]

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Yep, it could be a whole lot more.

Or other countries could have a whole lot more instead.

[Pretty Boy]

The graph isn't a good look for the UK response or for Sweden's laissez faire approach to covid.

Then you look at New Zealand who took about as different an approach as it was possible to take from the UK and we're lavished with praised for that and they don't seem to be doing too well either.

A lot went wrong and lessons have to be learned from it so we are better prepared in future. Looking at it retrospectively I think the harsh truth is there really was no perfect way to deal wit COVID.

[grunt]

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Read the para above the graph.
Due to varying protocols etc. ….

This is grasping at straws. We all recognise the difficulty of clearly defining the role of COVID as a cause of death, we all remember the discussions about the difference between dying "of COVID" and dying "with COVID". Notwithstanding, this graph has been produced by a recognised statistical organisation, the paragraph points out the possible limits of the data, but I don't think we can easily dismiss the findings. Maybe you can, but I can't.

[grunt]

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Yep, it could be a whole lot more.

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Or other countries could have a whole lot more instead.

I think you'd see a different caveat if they thought the numbers could be significantly different.

I should point out for those who are discussing the different approaches of countries to dealing with COVID (e.g. PB), this graph only represents the last year. I think it tells us more about the Government's dealing with the post pandemic phase of the virus.

[Stairway 2 7]

They handled things about the same as other European countries with regards to deaths. England did a little better than Scotland but the difference was small. Excess deaths is the agreed best way to find out how many died. The graph above isn't any use as the UK tested about 10 times more than many other nations, so obviously had much higher deaths than nations that did hardly any testing. To be fair it does say that in the graph that it can't be used as balanced.

Good thread it's old now but the numbers are similar now that covid deaths are tiny

https://twitter.com/drraghibali/stat...27961084264450

Covid is really effecting excess deaths that much just now. What is is the NHS struggling, huge backlog and terrible ambulance response times

[Stairway 2 7]

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I think you'd see a different caveat if they thought the numbers could be significantly different.

I should point out for those who are discussing the different approaches of countries to dealing with COVID (e.g. PB), this graph only represents the last year. I think it tells us more about the Government's dealing with the post pandemic phase of the virus.

It does but perhaps not in the way your thinking. UK is scaled-down testing but is still testing huge more people in any nation bar Denmark I think. Belgium lower down the graph has pretty much stopped testing, some states in the US likewise. I think the UK will eventually go the same way and stop testing, they already have with the ONS ending

[grunt]

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It does but perhaps not in the way you're thinking. UK is scaled-down testing but is still testing huge more people in any nation bar Denmark I think. Belgium lower down the graph has pretty much stopped testing, some states in the US likewise. I think the UK will eventually go the same way and stop testing, they already have with the ONS ending

The graph is about "confirmed COVID deaths". Are you suggesting that the testing that the UK is apparently performing will impact on COVID related deaths? I'm not sure I see the connection.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Or other countries could have a whole lot more instead.

I'd rather look at it that every country made mistakes and the graph is as accurate a representation as it's possible to get.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The graph is about "confirmed COVID deaths". Are you suggesting that the testing that the UK is apparently performing will impact on COVID related deaths? I'm not sure I see the connection.

Yes of course. For example uk tested about 4x per person more than Belgium, so crudely you'd expect us to have 4 times the deaths found. Somewhere like Hungary or Belarus hardly tested and got barely any covid deaths, but we know they done much worse than most due to the excess deaths.

As the twitter thread says excess deaths is the gold standard in finding out how many died and takes away the different testing amounts nations did.

Everyone in Europe has pretty much had covid and most twice. The only factor that changed how a nation done in regards to deaths was whether the person was vaccinated when they eventually caught it, particularly older groups.

If vaccines didn't come we were knackered as we couldn't shield it forever. In hindsight the best policy would have been hard lockdown get the nation fully vaccinated and then open

[Stairway 2 7]

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I'd rather look at it that every country made mistakes and the graph is as accurate a representation as it's possible to get.

It isn't

[grunt]

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Yes of course. For example uk tested about 4x per person more than Belgium, so crudely you'd expect us to have 4 times the deaths found. Somewhere like Hungary or Belarus hardly tested and got barely any covid deaths, but we know they done much worse than most due to the excess deaths.

[Moulin Yarns]

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It isn't

Based on data available, it is.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Based on data available, it is.

You wouldn't find one epidemiologist that says a good way of finding out how many died in each nation is the number of reported deaths. If so well done Belarus who had no mitigations, testing and poor vaccine uptake. Despite this they only had a few covid deaths unlike Western European nations that tested more and had lockdowns.

By no means perfect excess deaths takes how many more people died over the 5 year average. It takes out the massive differences in testing figures.

[McD]

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S27 is saying, if a country hardly tests anyone for covid, then they’ll find hardly anyone who’s died because of or with covid. UK tested far more than most countries, so were always going to be able to determine much more accurately if covid was present

[Stairway 2 7]

Uk did lots wrong though. They locked down to late and too light imo. They released old people from hospital back into care homes without testing. We also had poor icu capacity pre covid compared to say Germany.

We did great on testing and vaccine roll out though. The public not listening to vaccine misinformation like a section of society did in Eastern Europe and the US helped as more than anything though

[grunt]

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S27 is saying, if a country hardly tests anyone for covid, then they’ll find hardly anyone who’s died because of or with covid. UK tested far more than most countries, so were always going to be able to determine much more accurately if covid was present

Yes but the testing he's talking about is not the same as determining the cause of death? Maybe it is. I don't know.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Yes but the testing he's talking about is not the same as determining the cause of death? Maybe it is. I don't know.

In the UKs case it is anyone who died in the 28 days after a positive covid test. Another reason excess deaths is a better judge is it takes away the died of or with covid debate

[McD]

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Yes but the testing he's talking about is not the same as determining the cause of death? Maybe it is. I don't know.

you’re correct, it’s not. However, the caveat to that is, if a country didn’t do much testing, then they can rarely know if covid played a part in someone’s death. There’s huge variance about how much testing was done from one country to another, so the graph shown isn’t really much help. I’m not even sure if the same definition of a covid death is used.

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In the UKs case it is anyone who died in the 28 days after a positive covid test. Another reason excess deaths is a better judge is it takes away the died of or with covid debate

exactly