The Trans Rights Debate

[147lothian]

A male rapist Adam Graham raped two women, after being charged there was a name change to Isla Bryson, in court the victims had to refer to the rapist using the pronouns she/her and the rapist is now in a women only prison.

[Kato]

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A male rapist Adam Graham raped two women, after being charged there was a name change to Isley Bryson, in court the victims had to refer to the rapist using the pronouns she/her and the rapist is now in a women only prison.

Do you enjoy Julia Hartley-Brewers "style" of journalism?

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[TrumpIsAPeado]

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A male rapist Adam Graham raped two women, after being charged there was a name change to Isley Bryson, in court the victims had to refer to the rapist using the pronouns she/her and the rapist is now in a women only prison.

Does your right wing, anti-minority source mention that the person in question is also being kept isolated from the general population of prisoners, as is the case with all imprisoned sex offenders in Scotland?

What is their take on how well they think the female guards running the prison will treat this particular individual?

[James310]

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Does your right wing, anti-minority source mention that the person in question is also being kept isolated from the general population of prisoners, as is the case with all imprisoned sex offenders in Scotland?

What is their take on how well they think the female guards running the prison will treat this particular individual?

Why are they being kept isolated? A hunch is because a man shouldn't be in a woman's prison, especially a convicted rapist?

[Stairway 2 7]

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Does your right wing, anti-minority source mention that the person in question is also being kept isolated from the general population of prisoners, as is the case with all imprisoned sex offenders in Scotland?

What is their take on how well they think the female guards running the prison will treat this particular individual?

They will be kept in Ross house it's a shared section with other women, shared showers gym ect. It's populated with largely mentally ill people they don't have enough female sex offenders for a wing

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Why are they being kept isolated? A hunch is because a man shouldn't be in a woman's prison, especially a convicted rapist?

Sex offenders don't mix with the general population of prisoners for very obvious reasons. Male, female, transgender.... etc. It makes no difference. The same applies regardless.

It's easy just to point out overly simplistic pieces of information such as "male transgender gets sent to female prison", without any additional context applied in order to put those "thoughts" into people's heads. The right wing media excels when it comes to deliberately vague narratives.

[James310]

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Sex offenders don't mix with the general population of prisoners for very obvious reasons. Male, female, transgender.... etc. It makes no difference. The same applies regardless.

It's easy just to point out overly simplistic pieces of information such as "male transgender gets sent to female prison", without any additional context applied in order to put those "thoughts" into people's heads. The right wing media excels when it comes to deliberately vague narratives.

Do you agree with him being sent to a woman's prison?

[Stairway 2 7]

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Sex offenders don't mix with the general population of prisoners for very obvious reasons. Male, female, transgender.... etc. It makes no difference. The same applies regardless.

It's easy just to point out overly simplistic pieces of information such as "male transgender gets sent to female prison", without any additional context applied in order to put those "thoughts" into people's heads. The right wing media excels when it comes to deliberately vague narratives.

Your making it sound like she will be in isolation. She'll be mixed almost exclusively with women who aren't sex offenders, most will have mental health issues

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They will be kept in Ross house it's a shared section with other women, shared showers gym ect. It's populated with largely mentally ill people they don't have enough female sex offenders for a wing

A prisoner can be kept in the same wing, but still be kept isolated. They're given a different schedule from the other prisoners in order to avoid potentially problematic situations.

Prisons are not some free for all like they're depicted in the movies.

[He's here!]

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Again, a GRC does not grant special legal privileges to people who commit such offences. Saying that a GRC would somehow put the law on their side is based on absolutely nothing whatsoever.



What advantage? The person in question is going to jail. The same person in question will be isolated from the general prison population as sex offenders generally are. Having a GRC doesn't change any of that.

As I said before, we're not necessarily talking worst case scenario. Simply the fact that the proposed legislation will make it easier for any man who wishes to exploit it to enter women-only spaces.

Re 'Isla', I don't think it's hard to figure that whether isolated or not 'she' would prefer to be housed in a women's prison where she will be a figure of fear for many inmates rather than a men's prison where a convicted rapist would be fearful for their own safety.

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A prisoner can be kept in the same wing, but still be kept isolated. They're given a different schedule from the other prisoners in order to avoid potentially problematic situations.

Prisons are not some free for all like they're depicted in the movies.

I know about Ross Hall in Cornton Vale. She will not be isolated. They don't have schedules that keep them separated, there is barely the staff just now to keep it functioning

[He's here!]

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Sex offenders don't mix with the general population of prisoners for very obvious reasons. Male, female, transgender.... etc. It makes no difference. The same applies regardless.

It's easy just to point out overly simplistic pieces of information such as "male transgender gets sent to female prison", without any additional context applied in order to put those "thoughts" into people's heads. The right wing media excels when it comes to deliberately vague narratives.

What's remotely vague about the narrative? This is the first time a trans-woman has been convicted of raping women in Scotland. 'She' has been sent to a women's prison which has, understandably, sparked a great deal of controversy. The story is broken down in exhaustive detail by numerous media sources.

[He's here!]

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Has this hurricane hit Ireland yet?


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You might know more about that than me as it seems to be your go-to source for invalidating concerns over the SG bill...it does seem, however, that the Irish legislation has been far from harmoniously received:

https://thecountess.ie/first-irish-p...gender-debate/

I thought the article I posted was informative and well-reasoned. Bearing in mind you proclaimed the use of an s35 as 'the end of devolution' it's probably fair to say the hurricane has well and truly hit Scotland.

[Keith_M]

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A male rapist Adam Graham raped two women, after being charged there was a name change to Isla Bryson, in court the victims had to refer to the rapist using the pronouns she/her and the rapist is now in a women only prison.

Male rapist, with *****, sent to women's prison.

What a totally *****ed up idea.... and what's to stop it happening multiples times with other prisoners that decide totake advantage of this nonsense?

[Keith_M]

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Does your right wing, anti-minority source mention that the person in question is also being kept isolated from the general population of prisoners, as is the case with all imprisoned sex offenders in Scotland?

What is their take on how well they think the female guards running the prison will treat this particular individual?

Is this is a 'right-wing, anti-minority source'?......


"Rhona Hotchkiss, a former governor of Cornton Vale and outspoken critic of the gender reforms, told the Guardian: “My fear was that under self-identification it would open the floodgates and open the prison service to legal challenge if [these individuals] weren’t moved to the women’s estate”.

She suggested that the frequency of segregation reviews meant the SPS would “struggle” to keep Bryson from mixing with other female prisoners."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rison-scotland

[Ozyhibby]

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Male rapist, with *****, sent to women's prison.

What a totally *****ed up idea.... and what's to stop it happening multiples times with other prisoners that decide totake advantage of this nonsense?

That might be handy. Would make a separate wing viable.


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[archie]

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Sex offenders don't mix with the general population of prisoners for very obvious reasons. Male, female, transgender.... etc. It makes no difference. The same applies regardless.

It's easy just to point out overly simplistic pieces of information such as "male transgender gets sent to female prison", without any additional context applied in order to put those "thoughts" into people's heads. The right wing media excels when it comes to deliberately vague narratives.

Interesting that you are trying to turn this into a left right issue. Surely with a class analysis you would recognise that the majority of women prisoners are poor, vulnerable and working class. And so protecting them is a class issue.

[Santa Cruz]

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That might be handy. Would make a separate wing viable.


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According to this article Cornton Vale is due to close.


https://insidetime.org/cornton-vale-...-the-new-year/

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Interesting that you are trying to turn this into a left right issue. Surely with a class analysis you would recognise that the majority of women prisoners are poor, vulnerable and working class. And so protecting them is a class issue.

Not sure if these are UK-wide stats, but it appears that only 1% of women prisoners are there for violent offences:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1763192.html

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Is this is a 'right-wing, anti-minority source'?......


"Rhona Hotchkiss, a former governor of Cornton Vale and outspoken critic of the gender reforms, told the Guardian: “My fear was that under self-identification it would open the floodgates and open the prison service to legal challenge if [these individuals] weren’t moved to the women’s estate”.

She suggested that the frequency of segregation reviews meant the SPS would “struggle” to keep Bryson from mixing with other female prisoners."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rison-scotland

While from a perceived 'right-wing' source, the farcical nature of this case is only heightened by the fact 'her' counsel argued that: ‘There is no way Isla Bryson could be described as a predatory male. If you accept that evidence, that she is transitioning, that she is aiming to continue on that path to becoming female gender, that goes a long way to acquitting her of these charges’.

​https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...s-gender-bill/

[LewysGot2]

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Sex offenders don't mix with the general population of prisoners for very obvious reasons. Male, female, transgender.... etc. It makes no difference. The same applies regardless.

It's easy just to point out overly simplistic pieces of information such as "male transgender gets sent to female prison", without any additional context applied in order to put those "thoughts" into people's heads. The right wing media excels when it comes to deliberately vague narratives.

Do you have any concern whatsoever for the mental wellbeing of not just the statistically impoverished and vulnerable female prisoners or their female prison officers?

This person will come into contact with females who know they are a double sex offender. Whether they ever get assaulted or not, they will feel the impact of the presence of a fox in the hen house.

[Moulin Yarns]

On the subject of women's prisons, is it also wrong that there are male prison officers in charge of women in women's prisons?

[James310]

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On the subject of women's prisons, is it also wrong that there are male prison officers in charge of women in women's prisons?

Why would it be wrong? You do see a difference between someone who has committed a crime and is in prison for that reason and someone who happens to be working there?

You haven't thought this one through have you....

[LewysGot2]

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On the subject of women's prisons, is it also wrong that there are male prison officers in charge of women in women's prisons?

Convicted sex offenders/rapists of women on multiple occasions - not those ones.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Why would it be wrong? You do see a difference between someone who has committed a crime and is in prison for that reason and someone who happens to be working there?

You haven't thought this one through have you....

For starters, all the talk of men entering women only spaces? Are women prisoners not allowed that right?

[James310]

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For starters, all the talk of men entering women only spaces? Are women prisoners not allowed that right?

You are seriously comparing a man convicted of multiple rapes of women entering a woman's prison with an employee of the Scottish Prison Service working there? Are you on the wind up?

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Interesting that you are trying to turn this into a left right issue. Surely with a class analysis you would recognise that the majority of women prisoners are poor, vulnerable and working class. And so protecting them is a class issue.

Oh yes, I forgot. Male prisoners are rich, powerful and upper class.

Not sure where you got the idea that class had anything to do with this.

[Stairway 2 7]

Some will call it transphobic, most will call it common sense

Uk gov to change the law so no one with a ***** will be housed in a female prison. Trans males regardless of genitalia won't be put in a female prison if they are convicted of a sexual offence.

This all could and should have happened with GRA ammendments

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...licy-framework

[archie]

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Oh yes, I forgot. Male prisoners are rich, powerful and upper class.

Not sure where you got the idea that class had anything to do with this.

Do you really think class has nothing to do with the make up of prison population?

[James310]

SNP MSP calls for the policy of allowing rapists in woman's prisons to end.

https://twitter.com/AshtenRegan/stat...9aCuNUCdQ&s=19

"Rapists should not be placed in the women’s prison estate. Many female prisoners have been victims of male violence and are vulnerable. It is unacceptable - the policy must be urgently changed."

This will confuse people I am guessing seeing as it's only right wing Tories opposed to this.