Hibs 18's and Development

[Brightside]

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Our youngsters will probably be on pretty low wages and must look at the likes of Tavares, Kenneh and Melkersen and compare what they earn with what they (allegedly) earn and think WTF. Is this a case of us offering Laidlaw and O'Connor a relative pittance compared to laddies mentioned and they're thinking, **** signing that? I can't see any info on the length of Laidlaw's contact online, but I'm surprised it was only a two year deal. He signed his first professional contact in Feb 2021, when he was 16.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/articl...ional-contract

But the players you have mentioned are first team players. Once these young boys start performing for the first team then they are in a position to ask for more money and not before.

[GreenPJ]

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Garry needs to butt out and leave contract conversations to those that are not emotionally involved. Surely young O'Connor has a proper agent?

Kurtis Byrne mark 2

[SMAXXA]

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Garry needs to butt out and leave contract conversations to those that are not emotionally involved. Surely young O'Connor has a proper agent?

He will be the ruin of that laddie guaranteed

[HIBS NUTS]

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He will be the ruin of that laddie guaranteed

If josh is to be the worth big tranfer fees, he wants to stay away from, Why Not, and the Harp and Castle.
He is not doing himself, any favours.
Edinburgh has a small nightlife,and my laddie uses most of it, but he’s a chef.

[J-C]

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But the players you have mentioned are first team players. Once these young boys start performing for the first team then they are in a position to ask for more money and not before.

Not quite, Tavares and Melkersen were brought in for the development squad, same squad as O'Connor an Laidlaw.

[04Sauzee]

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Not quite, Tavares and Melkersen were brought in for the development squad, same squad as O'Connor an Laidlaw.

I do t think they were? Can't remember reading they were for the development squad like Haugue etc. I could off course be wrong.

[CapitalGreen]

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Not quite, Tavares and Melkersen were brought in for the development squad, same squad as O'Connor an Laidlaw.

No they weren’t.

[SMAXXA]

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Not quite, Tavares and Melkersen were brought in for the development squad, same squad as O'Connor an Laidlaw.

No they weren’t

[Bayern Bru]

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Garry needs to butt out and leave contract conversations to those that are not emotionally involved. Surely young O'Connor has a proper agent?

Yep, Jackie McNamara


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[superfurryhibby]

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But the players you have mentioned are first team players. Once these young boys start performing for the first team then they are in a position to ask for more money and not before.

Perhaps that makes them feel all the more frustrated. These guys must be earning a pittance compared to the likes of Tavares, Melkersen, Kenneh, none of whom have actually "performed", albeit they have been on the pitch.

For young strikers with self -belief, knowing that they have had a group of poor strikers (Bojang, Melkersen, McKirdy, Tavares) ahead of them when they are not really getting a sniff of an opportunity, it must piss them off big time. Whether they are any better than the likes of Bojang, Melk or Tav, who knows, but I'm baffled as to why neither have been used from the bench in order to find out.

[The dalmeny]

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Yep, Jackie McNamara


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Said 'proper' agent

[Brightside]

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Not quite, Tavares and Melkersen were brought in for the development squad, same squad as O'Connor an Laidlaw.

No they weren't. The plan was for them to play in both. Melk got pushed up earlier due to injuries. Tav has just sat on the bench the whole time. They are still classed as senior players and trained with the first team every week.

[hibsforeurope]

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Perhaps that makes them feel all the more frustrated. These guys must be earning a pittance compared to the likes of Tavares, Melkersen, Kenneh, none of whom have actually "performed", albeit they have been on the pitch.

For young strikers with self -belief, knowing that they have had a group of poor strikers (Bojang, McKirdy, Tavares) ahead of them when they are not really getting a sniff of an opportunity, it must piss them off big time. Whether they are any better than the likes of Bojang, Melk or Tav, who knows, but I'm baffled as to why neither have been used from the bench in order to find out.

Although it's great for the players, i think this European run has held back, the ones who might make it, from getting more 1st team exposure. it feels like Keen is keeping this group together for Europe. Once that come to an end, whenever that may be, i think we will see the ones who will make it get more game time for the 1st team.

[Brightside]

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Perhaps that makes them feel all the more frustrated. These guys must be earning a pittance compared to the likes of Tavares, Melkersen, Kenneh, none of whom have actually "performed", albeit they have been on the pitch.

For young strikers with self -belief, knowing that they have had a group of poor strikers (Bojang, Melkersen, McKirdy, Tavares) ahead of them when they are not really getting a sniff of an opportunity, it must piss them off big time. Whether they are any better than the likes of Bojang, Melk or Tav, who knows, but I'm baffled as to why neither have been used from the bench in order to find out.

I get that. But you can't demand more wages if you haven't moved up to the first team squad proper.

[chippy]

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But the players you have mentioned are first team players. Once these young boys start performing for the first team then they are in a position to ask for more money and not before.

Is that perhaps a reason they’ve not been given starts in the 1st team? They would then expect a decent deal quite rightly.

[The dalmeny]

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I get that. But you can't demand more wages if you haven't moved up to the first team squad proper.

Some youth contracts have a clause where if you play for the first team you move onto a different pay scale. I often wonder if this affects a clubs decision giving young players an opportunity of first team football

[Brightside]

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Is that perhaps a reason they’ve not been given starts in the 1st team? They would then expect a decent deal quite rightly.

Perhaps. I think we are all a bit perplexed why they have had almost zero chance for even cameo roles in games. Other teams at our level seem to often bring on young players during the games.

[The Modfather]

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Perhaps. I think we are all a bit perplexed why they have had almost zero chance for even cameo roles in games. Other teams at our level seem to often bring on young players during the games.

Look at the bench against Livi for example. It was full of players we are either actively trying to get rid off or reluctant to ever play e.g. Cabraja, Henderson, Mitchell, Melkerson, Kenneh, Fish. Maybe less so Kenneth & Melkerson as they could also be brought on for game time, but replace some of the others with some of the U19s with little detrimental impact to the bench. Then a game 4-0 up against 10 men is the time to take advantage and give them minutes.

[Greenbeard]

I've only seen the two UEFA Youth Cup games which is not a sound basis for judgement but what struck me most in these two games was the tremendous togetherness of the team, playing as a unit and for each other. The one exception was Laidlaw in the Molde game where his body language left a lot to be desired, giving the impression that he was above the level of football being played, even though his own performance didn't live up to his reputation. However iirc he was maybe not long back from an injury and was perhaps more frustrated with his own performance? He was certainly miles better vs Nantes. Hopefully that is the player we see vs Dortmund, not the sulky chimp* who came out of the box at times vs Molde.
* https://www.amazon.co.uk/Chimp-Parad.../dp/009193558X

[J-C]

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No they weren't. The plan was for them to play in both. Melk got pushed up earlier due to injuries. Tav has just sat on the bench the whole time. They are still classed as senior players and trained with the first team every week.

Both were nowhere near ready for 1st team, hence I thought they were for the development team, just shows what a **** up our recruitment has been.

[Since452]

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Really

Laidlaw wouldn't offer anything less than McKirdy to the team so why not?

[Since452]

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"Utter dross." This place.

He's had more yellow cards than shots at goal. Wouldn't surprise me if he leaves the club without scoring a goal. Absolute dross in my opinion.

[eastmainsmsh]

In the early 90s some of the players in BP sides made it some that didn’t were cracking players that’s the game unfortunately hope a few can get a chance if not then at other clubs

[chippy]

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I get that. But you can't demand more wages if you haven't moved up to the first team squad proper.

Therein lies the problem. Guys that are doing it at under 19 level in the elite European tournament are not given a chance in a woefully under performing 1st team. I think there’s something very odd about that. Stories of low ball deals for Laidlaw- possibly others Aitken perhaps who are out of contract in May. What are the Gordon’s playing at?

[04Sauzee]

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In the early 90s some of the players in BP sides made it some that didn’t were cracking players that’s the game unfortunately hope a few can get a chance if not then at other clubs

Remember seeing Hibs win the BP youth cup and thinking we had some cracking players in that team that would go on and make a name at Hibs

Jason Gardiner
Graeme Love
Steve Dallas
Nicky Ingram
Darren Dodds
Colin MacDonald

[eastmainsmsh]

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Remember seeing Hibs win the BP youth cup and thinking we had some cracking players in that team that would go on and make a name at Hibs

Jason Gardiner
Graeme Love
Steve Dallas
Nicky Ingram
Darren Dodds
Colin MacDonald

Some great prospects Dundee United had a good side as well

Colin McDonald and Paul Currie were from Musselburgh I’m sure ?

[MagicSwirlingShip]

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Therein lies the problem. Guys that are doing it at under 19 level in the elite European tournament are not given a chance in a woefully under performing 1st team. I think there’s something very odd about that. Stories of low ball deals for Laidlaw- possibly others Aitken perhaps who are out of contract in May. What are the Gordon’s playing at?

I doubt contract renewals for under 19 players are within the Gordon’s MO. That would be Ben Kensell, our CEO

[superfurryhibby]

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Therein lies the problem. Guys that are doing it at under 19 level in the elite European tournament are not given a chance in a woefully under performing 1st team. I think there’s something very odd about that. Stories of low ball deals for Laidlaw- possibly others Aitken perhaps who are out of contract in May. What are the Gordon’s playing at?

Therein lies the trouble.

As another poster said, if there are provisos around improving contracts if young players play in first team games then it would be truly appalling if that became the basis for holding any of them back.

[chippy]

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I doubt contract renewals for under 19 players are within the Gordon’s MO. That would be Ben Kensell, our CEO

They own and control the club, it’s on their watch

[Brightside]

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They own and control the club, it’s on their watch

Ben runs the club day to day, and he has contract negotiation as part of his role. I assume he will have budget allocated to the youth squad and will try and figure out how best to spend that with Steve Kean.