SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Common weal scathing towards the snp, but optimistic about independence

https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...ken-hands-snp/

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https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...ken-hands-snp/

I've been saying that the campaign should be led by a group independent of the SNP for ages.

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I've been saying that the campaign should be led by a group independent of the SNP for ages.

There is not enough support out there for any other group. Alba is finding that out.


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I've been saying that the campaign should be led by a group independent of the SNP for ages.

Whilst I agree with that sentiment in principle what happens in practice is you get it driven by the loons in Alba, salvo etc. Look at the AUOB rallies, gone from hundred thousands to about 10,000 since they started to back Alba. Like it or not the SNP are the biggest and best vehicle for independence. Albas greatest flag waver the rev stu was actually advocating voting Tory recently. No issues with other independence groups or parties but when they spend 90% of their time attacking the SNP then I question their motives. That is not the same as genuine criticism of Scottish government that is often justified

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Whilst I agree with that sentiment in principle what happens in practice is you get it driven by the loons in Alba, salvo etc. Look at the AUOB rallies, gone from hundred thousands to about 10,000 since they started to back Alba. Like it or not the SNP are the biggest and best vehicle for independence. Albas greatest flag waver the rev stu was actually advocating voting Tory recently. No issues with other independence groups or parties but when they spend 90% of their time attacking the SNP then I question their motives. That is not the same as genuine criticism of Scottish government that is often justified

Ah…” Wings over Bath” and the Rev Stu, I recall being slated for calling him a fraud and con artist for the amount of cash he raked in for himself on the back of his call for independence….

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Ah…” Wings over Bath” and the Rev Stu, I recall being slated for calling him a fraud and con artist for the amount of cash he raked in for himself on the back of his call for independence….

Not by me!! Grifter of the highest order.

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There is not enough support out there for any other group. Alba is finding that out.


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I meant taking it away from political parties and let the grassroots lead the campaign.

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I meant taking it away from political parties and let the grassroots lead the campaign.

There is nothing stopping grassroots groups from campaigning?


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There is nothing stopping grassroots groups from campaigning?


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The problem is that everything seems to be coming from the SNP which is fine but there are others doing better (IMHO) publications who are non party affiliated who could be able to get cross party support if they were more prominent.

You even see it on here, people who are not snp supporters but might be persuaded to the benefits of independence. But because it's seen as the SNP will not give it the time of day.

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The problem is that everything seems to be coming from the SNP which is fine but there are others doing better (IMHO) publications who are non party affiliated who could be able to get cross party support if they were more prominent.

You even see it on here, people who are not snp supporters but might be persuaded to the benefits of independence. But because it's seen as the SNP will not give it the time of day.

What should the SNP do about that? They have been campaigning for Indy for decades now. Why should they stand aside for another organisation that hasn’t been able to build support? That would seem like a backward step?


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What should the SNP do about that? They have been campaigning for Indy for decades now. Why should they stand aside for another organisation that hasn’t been able to build support? That would seem like a backward step?


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I'm afraid you are missing my point.

I'm not saying that the SNP should stop campaigning for independence, but I think a 'yes' campaign that is led by someone who is not a politician and could bring together the independence supporters in other parties with a positive campaign.

You see it here, there are some people who are just so against the SNP that if they said the sky was blue they would argue against it.

Get a group together like common Weal and other like minded people who can make a case for independence that isn't branded as snp.

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I'm afraid you are missing my point.

I'm not saying that the SNP should stop campaigning for independence, but I think a 'yes' campaign that is led by someone who is not a politician and could bring together the independence supporters in other parties with a positive campaign.

You see it here, there are some people who are just so against the SNP that if they said the sky was blue they would argue against it.

Get a group together like common Weal and other like minded people who can make a case for independence that isn't branded as snp.

The common weal are politicians though, they just haven’t been elected. There is plenty I could disagree with that the common weal put forward as well. This is very much a political issue and anyone campaigning for either side is a politician.


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Edinburgh was worried about falling eu students, that scot gov paid the fees for. Foreign students have plugged the gap and more. Record numbers of applications received last year and this and a huge profit again.

I was told they could fill most courses with Chinese students if they were able to. China has a massive middle and upper class and not enough universities to teach them. They are building them but it takes years as you need more than a building, trained estates staff, lectures ect.

https://twitter.com/conor_matchett/s...-FRanU6-5uuZWg

Record number of Scots going to uni and numbers from poorer backgrounds up by 31%.
That’s what you call levelling up.
Very bad news for Private schools though.


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Record number of Scots going to uni and numbers from poorer backgrounds up by 31%.

Is this a bad thing?

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Is this a bad thing?

Nope.


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Record number of Scots going to uni and numbers from poorer backgrounds up by 31%.
That’s what you call levelling up.
Very bad news for Private schools though.


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Its disingenuous to say private schools it's the majority of schools bar about 10. Of the 170 places for law for Scottish students 168 were from the "deprived" schools. That is truly great that they are getting in. The access is lowered so they can get in , usually instead of 2 A's at advanced higher its 2 B's.

Problem is out of the 555 students that applied from all the other Edinburgh schools only 2 got in. So if your from leith academy you probably won't get into law at Edinburgh, unless you have other criteria ticked, even if you have better grades.

Of course on top of that 72 foreign students got in paying 25,000 each.

It's great that we are looking after the most deprived. But it can't be right that many working class have no way of way of getting in some courses, but someone with 25k can. There has to be a compromise

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Nope.

Matchett's earlier article in the Hootsman seemed to think it was a bad idea ...

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...proach-3983059

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It's great that we are looking after the most deprived. But it can't be right that many working class have no way of way of getting in some courses, but someone with 25k can. There has to be a compromise

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Need a clue

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Need a clue

Sorry, I just didn't understand your last paragraph. Tbf, there's a lot about this story I don't understand.

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Matchett's earlier article in the Hootsman seemed to think it was a bad idea ...

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...proach-3983059

Behind paywall so can’t read it but may break habit of last ten years and actually buy a Scotsman this afternoon.


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Sorry, I just didn't understand your last paragraph. Tbf, there's a lot about this story I don't understand.

168 students got into law at Edinburgh from Scotland all from the most deprived group. 555 from Scotland applied from different backgrounds, all got rejected. 70 students got in who paid 25k.

It's great the most deprived are getting in and I'd rather that than the opposite. But whilst universities are run as purely money making machines, a big portion of places will be kept for upper class foreign students

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Behind paywall so can’t read it but may break habit of last ten years and actually buy a Scotsman this afternoon.


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Use archive.ph to open most articles


https://archive.ph/3sHIu

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168 students got into law at Edinburgh from Scotland all from the most deprived group. 555 from Scotland applied from different backgrounds, all got rejected. 70 students got in who paid 25k.

It's great the most deprived are getting in and I'd rather that than the opposite. But whilst universities are run as purely money making machines, a big portion of places will be kept for upper class foreign students

Surely there won’t be many foreign kids studying Scots Law?


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Surely there won’t be many foreign kids studying Scots Law?


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70 foreign students and 170 Scots in first year. 555 Scots applied but didn't get in

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70 foreign students and 170 Scots in first year. 555 Scots applied but didn't get in

Need to find out if this is just an Edinburgh thing?
More Scots kids than ever before going to uni so I suspect it is. Also ties in with the fact Edinburgh is much easier to get into in terms of marks than Glasgow these days. Kids all seem to prefer Glasgow as well.


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Need to find out if this is just an Edinburgh thing?
More Scots kids than ever before going to uni so I suspect it is. Also ties in with the fact Edinburgh is much easier to get into in terms of marks than Glasgow these days. Kids all seem to prefer Glasgow as well.


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Edinburgh isn't easier but harder to get into for most subjects, minimum entry requirements are useless as a guide to entry. It's the much higher ranked university in most comparison tables also.

There's record number of uk students pretty much every year. There's less decent number less Scots than English that go to uni but that's probably due to higher wealth and ability to pay in down south. I wouldn’t change for there system in a second though

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Need to find out if this is just an Edinburgh thing?
More Scots kids than ever before going to uni so I suspect it is. Also ties in with the fact Edinburgh is much easier to get into in terms of marks than Glasgow these days. Kids all seem to prefer Glasgow as well.


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I think the problem with your use of aggregate numbers is that it hides the difference between courses and institutions. Medicine at Edinburgh is clearly more significant than sociology at West of Scotland.

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I think the problem with your use of aggregate numbers is that it hides the difference between courses and institutions. Medicine at Edinburgh is clearly more significant than sociology at West of Scotland.

I don’t think there is less Scottish Kids getting into Edinburgh. It appears to be that it’s just different Scottish kids getting in?


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I don’t think there is less Scottish Kids getting into Edinburgh. It appears to be that it’s just different Scottish kids getting in?


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We've been over this. The number of Scottish students is capped. Over a third at Edinburgh are foregn students as are 40% at St Andrews. I like the idea of foreign students, but the funding system drives an over relience on foreign student fees.