Tories are still lying *******s

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If Westminster (which includes a lot of SNP MPs) - although I suspect it is more Whitehall than WM - decides it wants to spend £5m on something that Scottish people and Scottish businesses would benefit from then it is surely taking political zealotry to the limit to find fault in that?

"Damn those colonialists with their funding to reduce accident blackspots, damn them I say!"

If you have been following the news, then you will know that the A9 is the killer road, but the studies have already been done so maybe give the £5m to the Scottish Government to speed up the dualling.

I was on 25 miles of it today, passed some surveyors looking at the most difficult section at pass of Birnam, that's one of the blacks pots.

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The Tories are corrupt (chapter 436)

A lobbying group led by Conservative MPs and peers has released a report recommending the further privatisation of the NHS while being funded by private health companies, Byline Times can reveal.

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/12/08/m...-health-firms/

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But Westminster is Stephen Flynn and Mhairi Black and four dozen of their colleagues, and rather prominently at times.

You are being obtuse, I think. Just because the SNP MPs are IN Westminster, it doesn't make the "Westminster".

If anyone says e.g. that a decision was made in Westminster, we're not usually implying that the SNP MPs made that decision, rather that it was made by "the Westminster parliament", which of course contains a big majority of Tory MPs. So in these cases, I expect that people are using Westminster as a shorthand for the Westminster Government.

But I guess that's too obvious for your debating style.

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So, are they 'them' or 'us'? And before you even offer up an answer, what gives you or anyone else the right to state as objectove fact who we should consider as 'them' or 'us'?

Oh I didn't see this part until now! Who the hell says I'm stating ANYTHING as objective fact? It's my opinion, and I think I can call an opposition party "them" if I want to! Am I telling you to call the Tories "them"? I don't think so.

Where on Earth did you get this particular crazy idea from?

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How is the OP above managing to read and respond to all posters they state they ignore?

If I can answer this from my perspective, because I sometimes use (and I am currently using) the ignore function. This means I don't see their posts - unless I want to. Sometimes, if for example I've said something that's got a bit of a reaction, I'll view posts from people I have on ignore to see if they have a different issue with my post, or if they're just saying what everyone else is saying.

Soo it's kind of a sometimes ignore function for me.

[Mibbes Aye]

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If you have been following the news, then you will know that the A9 is the killer road, but the studies have already been done so maybe give the £5m to the Scottish Government to speed up the dualling.

I was on 25 miles of it today, passed some surveyors looking at the most difficult section at pass of Birnam, that's one of the blacks pots.

And if you had been following the thread you would know we were talking about the A75 - after all, it was you who originally got us started on it!!

But seriously, as for Birnam, there was talk of just shifting it to Dunsinane but that seems like centuries ago now.

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Oh I didn't see this part until now! Who the hell says I'm stating ANYTHING as objective fact? It's my opinion, and I think I can call an opposition party "them" if I want to! Am I telling you to call the Tories "them"? I don't think so.

Certainly not me.

I was talking to Ozyhibby.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.am...-b2241362.html

Commons suspended because Gove did not provide his statement on the coal mine to the opposition
Tories no longer lying, just not playing by the rules!!

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https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.am...-b2241362.html

Commons suspended because Gove did not provide his statement on the coal mine to the opposition
Tories no longer lying, just not playing by the rules!!

Guarsian reporting that Gove did provide statement but it bore no resemblance to what he then went on to say in the House. Hoyle "furious".

So, somewhere between lying and not playing by the rules, methinks. Dishonest at some point at least.

[JeMeSouviens]

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And if you had been following the thread you would know we were talking about the A75 - after all, it was you who originally got us started on it!!

But seriously, as for Birnam, there was talk of just shifting it to Dunsinane but that seems like centuries ago now.

Underrated, if tragic, post.

[CropleyWasGod]

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And if you had been following the thread you would know we were talking about the A75 - after all, it was you who originally got us started on it!!

But seriously, as for Birnam, there was talk of just shifting it to Dunsinane but that seems like centuries ago now.

[Ozyhibby]

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Underrated, if tragic, post.

I was going to comment but was in a shop when I read it.


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Certainly not me.

I was talking to Ozyhibby.

Ah.

Sorry.

[Santa Cruz]

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If I can answer this from my perspective, because I sometimes use (and I am currently using) the ignore function. This means I don't see their posts - unless I want to. Sometimes, if for example I've said something that's got a bit of a reaction, I'll view posts from people I have on ignore to see if they have a different issue with my post, or if they're just saying what everyone else is saying.

Soo it's kind of a sometimes ignore function for me.

Understood.

[Hibrandenburg]

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BREAKING : Levelling-Up Secretary Michael Gove has granted planning permission for a new coal mine in Cumbria

[Ozyhibby]

https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/the...ted-now-if-not

Worth a read.


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[hibsbollah]

More Mone revelations. When merely 'millionaire' status isnt enough...
Revealed: the full inside story of the Michelle Mone PPE scandal | Michelle Mone | The Guardian

[cabbageandribs1875]

[cabbageandribs1875]

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cartoon in the times today :)

[Colr]

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More Mone revelations. When merely 'millionaire' status isnt enough...
Revealed: the full inside story of the Michelle Mone PPE scandal | Michelle Mone | The Guardian

If anyone is getting thrown under the bus by the Tory grifters it’ll be the working class one. She made a pile and thought she was one of the them. One of the establishment. No matter how much cash you have you will NEVER be one of them as she’s about to learn. Hell mend her and the rest of them. In the USA they’d be heading to jail.

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More Mone revelations. When merely 'millionaire' status isnt enough...
Revealed: the full inside story of the Michelle Mone PPE scandal | Michelle Mone | The Guardian

Makes one ashamed to be Scottish if this is the sort of peers we are generating.
If only there was some way Scotland could disown her whilst she remains a "peer".

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Come on. Surely ‘them’ and ‘they’ aren’t going to be the latest offensive words to be banned on the HG 😂

[Moulin Yarns]

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Come on. Surely ‘them’ and ‘they’ aren’t going to be the latest offensive words to be banned on the HG 😂

I'm going with optomists and pessimists for now. 😉

[Santa Cruz]

will stick with Yes/No/Bore Off

[cabbageandribs1875]

[Hibbyradge]

https://twitter.com/CheersColin/stat...kXQiw7XXA&s=19

Daily Mail at its best!

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronBast...66601407467542

@AaronBastani
One of the most extraordinary statistics to sum up an extraordinary year.

Real wages – the amount people earn in relation to their cost of living – fell by an average of £76 *a month* across 2022. For public sector key workers it was £180 a month.

These aren't typos!

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@AaronBastani
One of the most extraordinary statistics to sum up an extraordinary year.

Real wages – the amount people earn in relation to their cost of living – fell by an average of £76 *a month* across 2022. For public sector key workers it was £180 a month.

These aren't typos!

I think the real figures will be higher especially when like for like comparisons are taken into account. My domestic fuel bill alone has went up 170 per month, my mortgage 100 and food and petrol probably another 100. I think the average Public Sector worker got a £1500 award. That equates to around £80 per month take home. The figures I used for fuel etc aren't even like for like as I am buying cheaper food and the house is a good bit colder than ever before.

I think the figures you quoted will be based on a CPI rise on outgoings against average pay awards and won't consider every penny of those awards will be taxed and that real inflation for working people who rent or mortgage their own home is likely over 20%. I presume you meant the typo was to say it wasn't exaggerated up the way. imo the story is far far worse for all workers but particularly public servants. My examples are of course awards from a more benevolent government up here. Scottish Civil Servants working in Westminster controlled jobs will get half that award.

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@AaronBastani
One of the most extraordinary statistics to sum up an extraordinary year.

Real wages – the amount people earn in relation to their cost of living – fell by an average of £76 *a month* across 2022. For public sector key workers it was £180 a month.

These aren't typos!

Wow.

I wonder if it's anything to do with stuff like this.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...paign=sharebar


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I think the real figures will be higher especially when like for like comparisons are taken into account. My domestic fuel bill alone has went up 170 per month, my mortgage 100 and food and petrol probably another 100. I think the average Public Sector worker got a £1500 award. That equates to around £80 per month take home. The figures I used for fuel etc aren't even like for like as I am buying cheaper food and the house is a good bit colder than ever before.

I think the figures you quoted will be based on a CPI rise on outgoings against average pay awards and won't consider every penny of those awards will be taxed and that real inflation for working people who rent or mortgage their own home is likely over 20%. I presume you meant the typo was to say it wasn't exaggerated up the way. imo the story is far far worse for all workers but particularly public servants. My examples are of course awards from a more benevolent government up here. Scottish Civil Servants working in Westminster controlled jobs will get half that award.

It's Real Pay its worked out by ONS. It takes in inflation, any earning, tax ect. Its an average over the whole population so will be many higher and lower obviously.

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Wow.

I wonder if it's anything to do with stuff like this.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...paign=sharebar


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We've looked after our bankers well this last 20 years 😳