Tories are still lying *******s

[Since90+2]

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It's real

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...ron-mp-1432783

The fact that we have someone in our House of "Lords" that thinks it's acceptable to speak to an elected politician like that is horrendous.

If ever there was an argument for scrapping the HOL then Mone is it, nasty piece of work.

[Ozyhibby]

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The fact that we have someone in our House of "Lords" that thinks it's acceptable to speak to an elected politician like that is horrendous.

If ever there was an argument for scrapping the HOL then Mone is it, nasty piece of work.

She was put there as reward for her work for Better Together.


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[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/WritesBright/sta...A09s5b0JA&s=19

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[Jack]

Private Eye having a pop at the BBC over the Mone story. Also reminding us and investigators that Mone was not alone, there's worse, so more to come hopefully.

https://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1587/media-news

[Smartie]

In some ways I fear for her safety and it might be in her best interests that the law catches up with her and deals out justice in the most appropriate way.

If folk are going to be cold and hungry over the next few years, it might not be the smartest thing for her to be walking free amongst the public having stolen significant sums of money from them and then evaded any form of formal justice.

We had a quite interesting sidetrack a few pages ago when we discussed the fantasy of committing acts of violence on politicians, which some people found quite appalling. Whilst most of us can have a fleeting thought about such things before getting on with our days, there are some who don't have such robust self-restraint mechanisms. And the current Raheem Stirling situation shows that whilst society has deemed it acceptable for some people to acquire fairly obscene levels of wealth, that now appears to paint a rather unwelcome target on the backs of them and their families.

These are some of the dangers of having a government as corrupt as ours, and having an elite class whose wealth can generally allow them to evade normal justice, law and order.

[Ozyhibby]

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In some ways I fear for her safety and it might be in her best interests that the law catches up with her and deals out justice in the most appropriate way.

If folk are going to be cold and hungry over the next few years, it might not be the smartest thing for her to be walking free amongst the public having stolen significant sums of money from them and then evaded any form of formal justice.

We had a quite interesting sidetrack a few pages ago when we discussed the fantasy of committing acts of violence on politicians, which some people found quite appalling. Whilst most of us can have a fleeting thought about such things before getting on with our days, there are some who don't have such robust self-restraint mechanisms. And the current Raheem Stirling situation shows that whilst society has deemed it acceptable for some people to acquire fairly obscene levels of wealth, that now appears to paint a rather unwelcome target on the backs of them and their families.

These are some of the dangers of having a government as corrupt as ours, and having an elite class whose wealth can generally allow them to evade normal justice, law and order.

Pretty sure she lives in Isle of Man for obvious reasons.


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[hibsbollah]

Tories in hiding as Commons scrutinises Michelle Mone’s Covid fortunes | John Crace | The Guardian

John Crace very good, and pointing out that the parliamentary systems function is not to make sure Mone is brought to book, or ensure appropriate behaviour is maintained, but actually serves to protect her (Rayner repeatedly reminded not to mention Mones name in questions, or to suggest she had done anything wrong. Even though she evidently has).

If Gordon Brown wants to do something with the Constitutional Review, it has to be proper independent oversight of the whole parliamentary institution, and a non partisan approach to politics in the upper house. Otherwise croneyism is never going to stop.

[Ozyhibby]

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Tories in hiding as Commons scrutinises Michelle Mone’s Covid fortunes | John Crace | The Guardian

John Crace very good, and pointing out that the parliamentary systems function is not to make sure Mone is brought to book, or ensure appropriate behaviour is maintained, but actually serves to protect her (Rayner repeatedly reminded not to mention Mones name in questions, or to suggest she had done anything wrong. Even though she evidently has).

If Gordon Brown wants to do something with the Constitutional Review, it has to be proper independent oversight of the whole parliamentary institution, and a non partisan approach to politics in the upper house. Otherwise croneyism is never going to stop.

Your making the mistake in thinking Brown and Starmer want real change.


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[hibsbollah]

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Your making the mistake in thinking Brown and Starmer want real change.


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I know they want votes.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/s...da2k2BsH-4CfAw

The Scottish Tory talent pool.


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[Stairway 2 7]

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https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/s...da2k2BsH-4CfAw

The Scottish Tory talent pool.


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Can't watch politicians now, spin, bull£#!t, lie, repeat

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https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/s...da2k2BsH-4CfAw

The Scottish Tory talent pool.


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Wouldn't last a minute in a real job. Pipsqueek.

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[Stairway 2 7]

The blunt reality for many due to the Tories destroying the economy

https://www.ft.com/content/a5839336-...d-a4a4c7b65ef8

The women turning to sex work to make ends meet
As the cost of living crisis spreads, more women are starting to sell sex and many are taking greater risks

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BREAKING : Levelling-Up Secretary Michael Gove has granted planning permission for a new coal mine in Cumbria

[CropleyWasGod]

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The blunt reality for many due to the Tories destroying the economy

https://www.ft.com/content/a5839336-...d-a4a4c7b65ef8

The women turning to sex work to make ends meet
As the cost of living crisis spreads, more women are starting to sell sex and many are taking greater risks

More in-depth here, without a paywall.

https://decrimnow.org.uk/hookers-against-hardship/

[degenerated]

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BREAKING : Levelling-Up Secretary Michael Gove has granted planning permission for a new coal mine in Cumbria

Isn't that a local authority function? If he is bypassing that down south how long before he starts overturns planning application rejections for fracking in Scotland?

[Stairway 2 7]

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More in-depth here, without a paywall.

https://decrimnow.org.uk/hookers-against-hardship/

Ah sorry paywalless

https://archive.ph/8bwVg

[Mibbes Aye]

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Isn't that a local authority function? If he is bypassing that down south how long before he starts overturns planning application rejections for fracking in Scotland?

It could be quite a while as he doesn't have the power to grant licences, Scottish ministers do.

[Moulin Yarns]

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It could be quite a while as he doesn't have the power to grant licences, Scottish ministers do.

He also doesn't have the power to decide what roads to improve but in Scotland but it hasn't stopped them saying that they will improve the A1 and A75 north of the border


https://www.itv.com/news/border/2022-11-21/mp-welcomes-5-million-funding-for-a75-improvement-study

[Ozyhibby]

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It could be quite a while as he doesn't have the power to grant licences, Scottish ministers do.

They do have the power to change that if they so wish as evidenced recently.


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[Mibbes Aye]

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He also doesn't have the power to decide what roads to improve but in Scotland but it hasn't stopped them saying that they will improve the A1 and A75 north of the border


https://www.itv.com/news/border/2022...rovement-study

I'm surprised you are referencing that. Trunk roads are pretty much devolved but there is a place for central government investment where it links to the UK strategic road network and connectivity. The A75 links Cairnryan and therefore NIron to the M74. Understandably business is keen on that route being effective and efficient. I have family in D+G and the A75 has its fair share of accident blackspots and fatalities. You would think that £5m to carry out a feasibilty study around improvement was welcome news to one and all.

Yet it appears that Scottish ministers have dragged their feet on this and there is a lot of talk of Transporrt Scotland being ordered not to engage with HMG officials on this. It's hard not to see that as political, isn't it? I mean, are you really going tribal about independent work to try and improve the safety of the road network? Is that the level we sink to?

Anyway my original post was refuting the suggestion that Michael Gove could impose ftracking in Scotland. I said he can't. I assume you are agreeing with me.

[Mibbes Aye]

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They do have the power to change that if they so wish as evidenced recently.


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I've not seen any fracking in Scotland

[Ozyhibby]

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I'm surprised you are referencing that. Trunk roads are pretty much devolved but there is a place for central government investment where it links to the UK strategic road network and connectivity. The A75 links Cairnryan and therefore NIron to the M74. Understandably business is keen on that route being effective and efficient. I have family in D+G and the A75 has its fair share of accident blackspots and fatalities. You would think that £5m to carry out a feasibilty study around improvement was welcome news to one and all.

Yet it appears that Scottish ministers have dragged their feet on this and there is a lot of talk of Transporrt Scotland being ordered not to engage with HMG officials on this. It's hard not to see that as political, isn't it? I mean, are you really going tribal about independent work to try and improve the safety of the road network? Is that the level we sink to?

Anyway my original post was refuting the suggestion that Michael Gove could impose ftracking in Scotland. I said he can't. I assume you are agreeing with me.

Have transport Scotland been told to drag their feet on this? Any evidence?


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oh my




how sad

[Mibbes Aye]

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Have transport Scotland been told to drag their feet on this? Any evidence?


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I didn't say Transport Scotland were dragging their feet. They are an executive agency of government, run day-to-day by managers and directed by and accountable to ministers. I said those ministers appeared to be dragging their feet and there was lots of talk of them directing Transport Scotland not to properly engage with their HMG counterparts.

For what it's worth, I believe it to be true and I also know that ministers and spads of all plitical hues make political decisions where objectivity would steer them elsewhere.

As for hard evidence, you surprise me once I get beyond the irony. Do you think I have recordings and photos of Jenny Gilruth and John Sweeney cackling away as they talk about how they're showing that Mark Harper "Wha's in charge"?

Anyway, I've showed you mine, how about you show yours? Where's your photos of Michael Gove in a high vis tabard and a hard hat, taking a jackhammer to some shale rock in Addiewell?

[Ozyhibby]

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I didn't say Transport Scotland were dragging their feet. They are an executive agency of government, run day-to-day by managers and directed by and accountable to ministers. I said those ministers appeared to be dragging their feet and there was lots of talk of them directing Transport Scotland not to properly engage with their HMG counterparts.

For what it's worth, I believe it to be true and I also know that ministers and spads of all plitical hues make political decisions where objectivity would steer them elsewhere.

As for hard evidence, you surprise me once I get beyond the irony. Do you think I have recordings and photos of Jenny Gilruth and John Sweeney cackling away as they talk about how they're showing that Mark Harper "Wha's in charge"?

Anyway, I've showed you mine, how about you show yours? Where's your photos of Michael Gove in a high vis tabard and a hard hat, taking a jackhammer to some shale rock in Addiewell?

Shouldn’t you ask another poster that? I only pointed out that the UK govt have the power to over rule the Scottish govt. I think we both agree that is true?


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[Mibbes Aye]

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Shouldn’t you ask another poster that? I only pointed out that the UK govt have the power to over rule the Scottish govt. I think we both agree that is true?


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On fracking? Because that was what we were talking about.

[Ozyhibby]

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On fracking? Because that was what we were talking about.

On anything. The Uk govt has ultimate power to change any law they want within the UK. If they want to frack in Scotland they can and there is nothing we could do about it.
Politically, I doubt it’s even a good idea to be fracking in England but that wasn’t my point. The point is, the power resides with Westminster to change any law that suits them.
If Michelle Mone rings up her pal Gove next week and says her new fracking company she will set up in a couple of days is looking for some license, then who knows what Gove’s response would be? He certainly seems like a man willing to do business?


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[Mibbes Aye]

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On anything. The Uk govt has ultimate power to change any law they want within the UK. If they want to frack in Scotland they can and there is nothing we could do about it.
Politically, I doubt it’s even a good idea to be fracking in England but that wasn’t my point. The point is, the power resides with Westminster to change any law that suits them.
If Michelle Mone rings up her pal Gove next week and says her new fracking company she will set up in a couple of days is looking for some license, then who knows what Gove’s response would be? He certainly seems like a man willing to do business?


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You are stretching a point beyond credibility here. Essentially anything devolved could become reserved if the devolution legislation was repealed or overturned. In the case of fracking this would also mean making amendments to existing amendments to a whole range of other pieces of legislation, some of which preceded devolution!

All of which would have to go through several stages of scrutiny and votes in both Houses of Parliament, which means facing further amendments to the previous amendments to the original amendments to the primary legislation! And that's before you get into legal challenge and judicial review. and that's assuming you can carry a majority at every stage when the current government has aready flip-flopped on fracking because its MPs and the public wouldn't stand it.

Do you really think that is likely?

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You are stretching a point beyond credibility here. Essentially anything devolved could become reserved if the devolution legislation was repealed or overturned. In the case of fracking this would also mean making amendments to existing amendments to a whole range of other pieces of legislation, some of which preceded devolution!

All of which would have to go through several stages of scrutiny and votes in both Houses of Parliament, which means facing further amendments to the previous amendments to the original amendments to the primary legislation! And that's before you get into legal challenge and judicial review. and that's assuming you can carry a majority at every stage when the current government has aready flip-flopped on fracking because its MPs and the public wouldn't stand it.

Do you really think that is likely?

So what you are saying is they won’t exercise the power, not that they don’t have it. I think I can agree with that.


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