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[cabbageandribs1875]

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23 points today for Finn Russell in Racing's 43-38 win away to Brive.

Meanwhile Hastings misses two crucial kicks costing Scotland victory.

Townsend puts his personal issues with Finn ahead of Scotland. It's poor.

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it was actually Kinghorn that had the two boots on the wrong feet today bud :(


but i'm quite sure Russell would have kicked that one at the end, two very poor misses indeed


the amateur ****-up between Van Der Merwe and Ritchie led to the winning OZ penalty though

[Jim44]

Townsend’s judgement is now under scrutiny. Can see him getting the boot.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Townsend’s judgement is now under scrutiny. Can see him getting the boot.

i really can't blame him for that today tbf, when professional players just can't do the simple basics, if he wasn't bald he would be tearing his hair out at most of the penalties conceded today

it was almost comical that muck up between van der merwe and ritchie at the touchline

the aussies will be p@shing themselves laughing

[Just_Jimmy]

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it was actually Kinghorn that had the two boots on the wrong feet today bud :(


but i'm quite sure Russell would have kicked that one at the end, two very poor misses indeed


the amateur ****-up between Van Der Merwe and Ritchie led to the winning OZ penalty though

Haha I know, I have no idea why I'm blaming poor Adam

Russell has issues no doubt but he's world class and we won't pick or play him cos the coach doesn't like him. Its pathetic.

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[Sergio sledge]

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23 points today for Finn Russell in Racing's 43-38 win away to Brive.

Meanwhile Hastings misses two crucial kicks costing Scotland victory.

Townsend puts his personal issues with Finn ahead of Scotland. It's poor.

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While I agree with the general point, Russell couldn't have played today anyway because the game was outside the international window, so only Scottish based players could play. Kinghorn was always going to play today.

I don't actually mind Kinghorn as a back up option, but he's not even half the player Russell is.

[Golden Bear]

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While I agree with the general point, Russell couldn't have played today anyway because the game was outside the international window, so only Scottish based players could play. Kinghorn was always going to play today.

I don't actually mind Kinghorn as a back up option, but he's not even half the player Russell is.

That's also also why Stuart Hogg and Jonny Gray couldn't be selected.

As for the stand off position, then I'd play Ross Thompson of Glasgow Warriors long before Kinghorn.

[Mcbizz1998]

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That's also also why Stuart Hogg and Jonny Gray couldn't be selected.

As for the stand off position, then I'd play Ross Thompson of Glasgow Warriors long before Kinghorn.

Exactly. Kinghorn just isn’t a 10. I actually feel sorry for the lad, he was a good fullback and was probably the natural successor to Hogg. Now he is a poor club level stand off and is taking all the flack.

Townsend has wasted this generation and needs to go.

[Mcbizz1998]

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Townsend’s judgement is now under scrutiny. Can see him getting the boot.

He will get to the World Cup, unfortunately.

[Sylar]

Really felt for Kinghorn yesterday - had an exceptional game with his dummy pass to set up Smith for the first try and his run and juggling skills to score his own try were briliant - as good as Finn is, he wouldn't have had the pace to do that! He certainly shouldn't be given kicking responsibilities. He plays at 10 for Edinburgh and he's very good at 10 for Edinburgh, but we have Boffeli to deal with kicking duties.

Townsend clearly has a problem with Finn, and his choice to preserve his ego over picking the best possible players is going to cost us - to say Finn needs to show form when he's done what he has the past 2 weeks, while you have some players in the starting XV yesterday who've maybe played half an hour this season is laughable.

I've wanted Toonie out for a good few seasons now but sadly, I also think he'll get to the World Cup before any reset takes place.

[cabbageandribs1875]

New Zealand captain Sam Cane is ruled out for their tour after picking up an injury against Japan yesterday

they struggled a bit against japan yesterday in a close 38-31 win, interesting how they fare against the Welsh next saturday, Wales haven't beaten the all-blacks since 1953

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hogg back and Hastings starts in place of Kinghorn

[Hibby Bairn]

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It's on Amazon Prime.

I wonder what the decision pay off is broadcasting on Amazon v BBC 1 or ITV. Must work financially but surely it makes the matches pretty much invisible to millions who otherwise wouldn't normally watch Rugby.

Like me 🙂

[Just_Jimmy]

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Hogg back and Hastings starts in place of Kinghorn

Hopefully he plays as well as Blair did, just kicks better.

Or else I'll slag Blair this week instead

Of course, if Townsend actually gave a **** about Scotland rather than his own ego, Russell would be starting. It's a joke.

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[Just_Jimmy]

6 penalties already... 3 offside.

Total bollocks. Discipline is a joke under Townsend.

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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Scotland not looking too clever here.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Huge improvement in Scotland's discipline in the 2nd half. 28-12 with 6 minutes to go.

[cabbageandribs1875]

wow what a complete balls up Australia made of that up in the French half with the clock on red for HT, try France, converted 19-13

[cabbageandribs1875]

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6 penalties already... 3 offside.

Total bollocks. Discipline is a joke under Townsend.

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i feel the players have to take responsibility for the offside ones, there's only so much a coach can do, the players know not to go offside :(

[cabbageandribs1875]

Australia penalty 19-16
French penalty 22-16

Australia Try, converted 22-23

Australia penalty 22-26


68 mins French knock back the simplish penalty and go for the lineout instead


comes to no avail

72 mins French Penalty, 25-26

74 mins Australian penalty, 25-29

76 mins France try, conversion missed 30-29

FT 30-29 Aussies shot themselves in the foot a tad

France on their best ever run of wins 11 from 11

[cabbageandribs1875]

next weekend

1-PM Ireland v Fiji
1 PM Italy v Australia
3:15 PM England v Japan
5:30 PM Wales v Argentina
8 PM France v South Africa


Sunday
2:15 PM Scotland v New Zealand..... GULP, hopefully keep it down to between 20-30 points

[Greenbeard]

I see yon English knob is ripping into Townsend again on BBC online re Russell's exclusion.
From what I have heard apparently there is a toxic atmosphere in the squad whenever FR is there. Doesn't matter how good a player you are, if your presence has a detrimental affect on the overall squad wellbeing, you shouldn't be there. Ca va sans dire.

[Just_Jimmy]

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I see yon English knob is ripping into Townsend again on BBC online re Russell's exclusion.
From what I have heard apparently there is a toxic atmosphere in the squad whenever FR is there. Doesn't matter how good a player you are, if your presence has a detrimental affect on the overall squad wellbeing, you shouldn't be there. Ca va sans dire.

It's Townsends job to manage that, instead he leaves out our most talented player.

I'm not buying that Finn Russell is the problem. He's not a problem at his club. He's a maverick, I'll buy that but he's world class. We don't have the pool to leave that talent out.

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[Greenbeard]

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It's Townsends job to manage that, instead he leaves out our most talented player.

I'm not buying that Finn Russell is the problem. He's not a problem at his club. He's a maverick, I'll buy that but he's world class. We don't have the pool to leave that talent out.

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Left out for good reason in my book. GT has tried to manage FR and the part he plays in the squad but for whatever reason it's not worked and if I had to bet on whose fault it was I'd be lumping on FR.
I agree he's world class - but only some of the time and not often enough by far to be real world class. He has had as many anonymous games and cock-ups for Scotland as match-winning games. And re current league form in France and turning things round, he's been playing against lower ranked teams. I'd far rather Kinghorn starts at 10 on Sunday with Hogg as cover.

[Just_Jimmy]

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Left out for good reason in my book. GT has tried to manage FR and the part he plays in the squad but for whatever reason it's not worked and if I had to bet on whose fault it was I'd be lumping on FR.
I agree he's world class - but only some of the time and not often enough by far to be real world class. He has had as many anonymous games and cock-ups for Scotland as match-winning games. And re current league form in France and turning things round, he's been playing against lower ranked teams. I'd far rather Kinghorn starts at 10 on Sunday with Hogg as cover.

Scotland won't win games against top sides with Kinghorn or Hastings at 10, nor hogg.

They'll have a much better chance of winning games with Russell at 10. They won't always do so but they'll have a better chance.

I don't disagree that he's had bad games and wild moments but he should be playing for Scotland. Anything else is denying us the chance at having a match winner in the squad.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

didn't watch it but......i may now :)

FT England 29 Argentina 30


i'm reading Boffelli had another great game


i'm not understanding the points count on the BBC though, according to them he got one try, 6 penalties and two conversions which of course would be = 27

and Carreras got one try=5

= 32

Tries: Boffelli, Carreras Pens: Boffelli (6) Cons: Boffelli (2)


what am i missing

[McD]

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Scotland won't win games against top sides with Kinghorn or Hastings at 10, nor hogg.

They'll have a much better chance of winning games with Russell at 10. They won't always do so but they'll have a better chance.

I don't disagree that he's had bad games and wild moments but he should be playing for Scotland. Anything else is denying us the chance at having a match winner in the squad.

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this is where I am (respectfully disagreeing with Greenbeard), FR being in the team gives us our best chance of winning matches, every excellent result under GT has heavily featured FR, whilst also acknowledging he’s had poor games too. Even the Lions looked a better side when he was on the pitch.

whenever I’ve seen Russell play, his teammates seem to be fine with him at worst, often much more so. Ultimately GT’s job is to win rugby matches with Scotland, not having FR in the mix is damaging that aim. He looks especially ridiculous trying to claim FR isn’t there due to form, whilst not only is FR tearing it up at club level (I take Greenbeard’s point about less than stellar opposition but you can only play who’s in front of you), but he’s also selected a Flyhalf who has hardly been on the pitch this season. I suspect we’re seeing the latter stages of GT’s tenure as Scotland coach

[Greenbeard]

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this is where I am (respectfully disagreeing with Greenbeard), FR being in the team gives us our best chance of winning matches, every excellent result under GT has heavily featured FR, whilst also acknowledging he’s had poor games too. Even the Lions looked a better side when he was on the pitch.

whenever I’ve seen Russell play, his teammates seem to be fine with him at worst, often much more so. Ultimately GT’s job is to win rugby matches with Scotland, not having FR in the mix is damaging that aim. He looks especially ridiculous trying to claim FR isn’t there due to form, whilst not only is FR tearing it up at club level (I take Greenbeard’s point about less than stellar opposition but you can only play who’s in front of you), but he’s also selected a Flyhalf who has hardly been on the pitch this season. I suspect we’re seeing the latter stages of GT’s tenure as Scotland coach

I suspect many will be seeing it that way unfortunately, some influenced by the English knob's opinionated know-all utterances. But if whoever else comes in instead puts a bad apple back in the barrel which they are charged with looking after, it's still going to spoil the barrel.
I'm pretty certain that GT will have taken counsel from his other coaches and captain/senior players group. They must be onside with his current thinking. But if they turn against him, I agree his days will be numbered. That would be sad.
And BTW I have heard it suggested that FR's non-selection is influenced by his father's dismissal hoo-ha with the SRU. What absolute nonsense.

[weecounty hibby]

Townshend was a terrible appointment and I've said it since the minute that it was floated. We got rid of one of the best coaches in world rugby who was improving EVERY aspect of scotlands performances and replaced with a coach who had one good season at Glasgow. We should have kept Cotter and if Townshend left Glasgow for France or wherever so be it. I'd get rid now as our world cup is going to be **** again with him in charge.

[Mcbizz1998]

The King is back. If only Townsend was the one who was “OUT”.

[Mcbizz1998]

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Left out for good reason in my book. GT has tried to manage FR and the part he plays in the squad but for whatever reason it's not worked and if I had to bet on whose fault it was I'd be lumping on FR.
I agree he's world class - but only some of the time and not often enough by far to be real world class. He has had as many anonymous games and cock-ups for Scotland as match-winning games. And re current league form in France and turning things round, he's been playing against lower ranked teams. I'd far rather Kinghorn starts at 10 on Sunday with Hogg as cover.

This is one of the most ludicrous posts I’ve ever seen on the subject.

Kinghorn is not an international class 10. Hogg is not a 10, full stop. Finn Russell is the most talented 10 this country has ever produced, there is nobody that even comes close in the pro era. You could argue Rutherford but it was a different game back then. To suggest that we can afford to leave him out in place of a winger trying to play 10 with cover from a full back is absolutely insane.

The fact that Townsend has been unable to manage Russell and ensure he is firing for Scotland is on him. Russell hasn’t had any issues what so ever with any other coach in his career - yet Townsend has fallen out with him and Hogg, our best players.

Sense now seems to have prevailed with Finn back in but it won’t be long before Townsends ego and stubbornness causes another issue. He needs sacked if we are to have any chance of avoiding another pool stage exit at the RWC.