The Trans Rights Debate

[CropleyWasGod]

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Given the stressful nature prison and the high number of vulnerable women in prison, I think it's difficult to use 'consensual' in the way you would apply outside prison. Here's a case from the Guardian, probably the most supportive on trans issues https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

That prisoner should clearly have never been in that prison. The purported "case-by-case" system obviously isn't working as it should.

Horrific as that case is, I'm not convinced that all transgender women should be in male prisons. Equally, should all transgender men be in women's prisons?

[archie]

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That prisoner should clearly have never been in that prison. The purported "case-by-case" system obviously isn't working as it should.

Horrific as that case is, I'm not convinced that all transgender women should be in male prisons. Equally, should all transgender men be in women's prisons?

It's a dilemma. Both groups have their needs, but there may be conflict between those needs. It's a tricky one, exacerbated (in my view) by the GRA.

[147lothian]

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Yeah it's one of the most popular accounts on twitter, the point is his mad jokes on woke are somehow coming true.

It is amazing how these insane jokes have come true. Andrew Doyle is completely correct to say that people who subscribe to an ideology wholesale give up the capacity to think for themselves.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Yeah it's one of the most popular accounts on twitter, the point is his mad jokes on woke are somehow coming true.

The stage show is hilarious.

Someone very close to me plays the character, on stage and telly.... hence my unbiased opinion

[147lothian]

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The stage show is hilarious.

Someone very close to me plays the character, on stage and telly.... hence my unbiased opinion

Is this the person here?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Is this the person here?

Yeah. 😀

[Keith_M]

Just wondering how far we want to take this.


"Able-bodied Norwegian man self identifies as disabled woman."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opini...isabled-woman/

[LewysGot2]

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Just wondering how far we want to take this.


"Able-bodied Norwegian man self identifies as disabled woman."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opini...isabled-woman/

Identifying as disabled…that concept was used by the SNP to create regional lists of prospective candidates for election iirc

[He's here!]

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Just wondering how far we want to take this.


"Able-bodied Norwegian man self identifies as disabled woman."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opini...isabled-woman/

That person has issues to put it mildly.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Just wondering how far we want to take this.


"Able-bodied Norwegian man self identifies as disabled woman."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opini...isabled-woman/

Alme said it had been a life-long wish to have been born a woman paralysed from the waist down.



I think he needs psychiatric help.

[147lothian]

Trans ideology is starting to unravel now that the people who detransition are starting to speak out. It is deplorable that people with mental health issues are being targeted by the zealots and big medicine.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Trans ideology is starting to unravel now that the people who detransition are starting to speak out. It is deplorable that people with mental health issues are being targeted by the zealots and big medicine.

Never heard of detransitioning before.

Not surprising based on the minute numbers.

https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/


Detransition is a loaded term.

Importantly, it doesn’t mean an unsatisfactory or regrettable result. Rather, it simply refers to the small group of people who transition and then go back.

[147lothian]

Try telling the growing number who detransition that to detransition doesn't mean unsatisfactory or regrettable result

https://www.detransvoices.org

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Sturgeon set to water down gender reform bill?

Nicola Sturgeon could water down gender reforms for teens after SNP rebellion (msn.com)

[marinello59]

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Sturgeon set to water down gender reform bill?

Nicola Sturgeon could water down gender reforms for teens after SNP rebellion (msn.com)

The Greens won’t be pleased…. But they’ll suck it up as usual, those ministerial salaries are so seductive.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Try telling the growing number who detransition that to detransition doesn't mean unsatisfactory or regrettable result

Have to say, my link is just a bit more balanced than what you have linked to.

[James310]

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Have to say, my link is just a bit more balanced than what you have linked to.

Not sure about that when the site you linked to is a commercial business "selling" services for up to £150.

This the "balance" you are going on about?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Gp-clinic.html

"A consultant physician has been stuck off for wrongly prescribing sex-change treatments to seven transgender patients - one who was aged just nine and another a teenager who took their own life few months later."

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Irrespective of his political allegiance, Neale Hanvey sets out his concerns rationally here:

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/opi...hanvey-3902122

[superfurryhibby]

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Irrespective of his political allegiance, Neale Hanvey sets out his concerns rationally here:

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/opi...hanvey-3902122

“Here in Kirkcaldy, trans identifying Katie Dolatowski was convicted of assaulting a 10-year-old child in a local supermarket toilet. As a direct consequence the media framed this sexual predator as trans”

There lies one of the dangers. A whole community will be stigmatised by the actions of a few deviants who will exploit circumstances for their own nefarious ends.

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“Here in Kirkcaldy, trans identifying Katie Dolatowski was convicted of assaulting a 10-year-old child in a local supermarket toilet. As a direct consequence the media framed this sexual predator as trans”

There lies one of the dangers. A whole community will be stigmatised by the actions of a few deviants who will exploit circumstances for their own nefarious ends.

A key reason this legislation is flawed.

[LongJohnBanger]

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Just wondering how far we want to take this.


"Able-bodied Norwegian man self identifies as disabled woman."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opini...isabled-woman/

Ethically and morally speaking, if someone identifies as being paralysed from the waist down, should you indulge their fantasy by paralysing them?

[LewysGot2]

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“Here in Kirkcaldy, trans identifying Katie Dolatowski was convicted of assaulting a 10-year-old child in a local supermarket toilet. As a direct consequence the media framed this sexual predator as trans”

There lies one of the dangers. A whole community will be stigmatised by the actions of a few deviants who will exploit circumstances for their own nefarious ends.

Same person was in the news this week as they apparently moved to England, under yet another new identity but still trans identifying and was able to be admitted to a refuge in Leeds for traumatised women and their children where they stayed for nearly 3 months.

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Scottish government back in court over definition of 'woman' - BBC News

[superfurryhibby]

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Scottish government back in court over definition of 'woman' - BBC News

"The group's lawyer Aidan O'Neill KC argued that obtaining a gender recognition certificate should not "result in a change of sex for the purposes of the Equality Act".

He said if it did, it would "run a coach and horses through the preservation of safe spaces for women and single-sex provision for women under the Equality Act".

The proceedings are taking place at the same time as MSPs are considering separate legislation which would make it easier for trans people to obtain a gender recognition certificate".

I think that "safe space" issue has already been spectacularly breached with the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre situation and their CEO.

I suppose the group raising the court action won't mention this, but surely the BBC already know that this has already happened in plain sight and been reported in the media. Why can't they refer to it as the continuing erosion of protected services and safe spaces. It's already happening.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...ents-2b9kdvc75

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-63572905

Over 150 amendments proposed to gender bill.

[Moulin Yarns]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-63572905

Over 150 amendments proposed to gender bill.

Some amendments will probably be made, just not the tory ones which basically seem to be that they don't want any changes to the current situation.

[Stairway 2 7]

America is some place right enough

https://mobile.twitter.com/yaf/statu...01818044403713

[hibby rae]

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America is some place right enough

https://mobile.twitter.com/yaf/statu...01818044403713

That seems quite heartwarming, and nice to see the positive reactions from her fellow contestants.

[superfurryhibby]

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That seems quite heartwarming, and nice to see the positive reactions from her fellow contestants.

Aside from the moral issue of beauty contests, the "winner" was clearly determined by factors other than their striking good looks. I personally find it all a bit sinister.

[hibby rae]

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Aside from the moral issue of beauty contests, the "winner" was clearly determined by factors other than their striking good looks. I personally find it all a bit sinister.

I have zero interest in such things as well, and agree there can be a moral question. But also if others want to engage who am I to argue?

I have no idea what the determining factors were to win that particular contest.