The Trans Rights Debate

[147lothian]

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That does seem to be the case with this quite often.

Motorcyclist Who Identifies As Bicyclist Sets Cycling World Record

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https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-b2208312.html

Trans comedian on Channel 4 strips naked and plays the keyboard with her willy.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-b2208312.html

Trans comedian on Channel 4 strips naked and plays the keyboard with her *****.

Edit. Is ***** seriously blocked ?

I'm no bothered or shocked if someone gets their welt out on TV, but it's hardly inspiring or groundbreaking like some are saying

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Did Jerry Sadowitz not get cancelled for getting his c*** out earlier in the year? Sure then we were told it was outdated and tiresome because it had been done before as well as being sexually threatening.

Is a ***** only threatening and showing it off unsolicited only offensive when it's a cis man doing it?

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Did Jerry Sadowitz not get cancelled for getting his c*** out earlier in the year? Sure then we were told it was outdated and tiresome because it had been done before as well as being sexually threatening.

Is a ***** only threatening and showing it off unsolicited only offensive when it's a cis man doing it?

https://youtu.be/59kf86v_Cpc

It's a great example of culture war/ cancel culture at work. The people angriest about this would often be really quick to defend Sadowitz, the people giving it the old "stunning and brave" patter would are much more comfortable chucking the cishet man under the bus.

One side does it with false family values, and the other with pseudo-progressive zeal.

[147lothian]

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Did Jerry Sadowitz not get cancelled for getting his c*** out earlier in the year? Sure then we were told it was outdated and tiresome because it had been done before as well as being sexually threatening.

Is a ***** only threatening and showing it off unsolicited only offensive when it's a cis man doing it?

The way it's being reported sounds quite Orwellian 'her *****'.

[J-C]

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Did Jerry Sadowitz not get cancelled for getting his c*** out earlier in the year? Sure then we were told it was outdated and tiresome because it had been done before as well as being sexually threatening.

Is a ***** only threatening and showing it off unsolicited only offensive when it's a cis man doing it?

He called Sunak a Pa***

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SNP minister resigns over gender recognition plans:

SNP minister resigns over gender recognition plans - BBC News

Finally, some kick back from within government over this.

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First post in this thread. Does anyone have a link to a good explainer about these issues?
I look on and just cannot get my head round the discussion.

[CropleyWasGod]

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SNP minister resigns over gender recognition plans:

SNP minister resigns over gender recognition plans - BBC News

Finally, some kick back from within government over this.

I'm not surprised at Ash Denham's stance. Her record on other feminist-related issues, such as sex worker rights, is very poor IMO. That said, to leave it this late is pretty appalling.

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I'm not surprised at Ash Denham's stance. Her record on other feminist-related issues, such as sex worker rights, is very poor IMO. That said, to leave it this late is pretty appalling.

She's supporting most feminist groups views here, but I agree scot govs previous on sex work was very poor.

[marinello59]

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I'm not surprised at Ash Denham's stance. Her record on other feminist-related issues, such as sex worker rights, is very poor IMO. That said, to leave it this late is pretty appalling.

Kate Forbes being away is convenient for her career then.

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First post in this thread. Does anyone have a link to a good explainer about these issues?
I look on and just cannot get my head round the discussion.

The trans debate: a fiercely-fought battleground in the nation’s culture wars | The Week UK

Things may well have moved on since this was written but I recall it providing quite a good summary.

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One thing that I find a bit confusing about all of this is the requirement (in both old and proposed new legislation) for someone to have lived in their acquired gender for a certain period of time. What does that entail? How do you define living in your acquired gender?

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One thing that I find a bit confusing about all of this is the requirement (in both old and proposed new legislation) for someone to have lived in their acquired gender for a certain period of time. What does that entail? How do you define living in your acquired gender?

You'll search in vain for an answer to that question. Just one of numerous reasons this bill doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Once passed it means simply that anyone who says they are a woman IS a woman, full stop.

I sincerely hope Regan isn't the only SNP minister to put her head above the parapet and go against the wishes of 'real feminist' Sturgeon. You can tell by the FM's icy response how much being disagreed with riles her.

[Ozyhibby]

Jaime Greens voting with Scottish Govt. I’ve no problem with people voting against the whip on this issue. Cabinet posts have to be given up though.
It will pass tonight and then the issue will disappear because not that much is actually changing.


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Sailed through. On those numbers there must have been a lot of opposition support.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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Sailed through. On those numbers there must have been a lot of opposition support.


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Labour and Lib Dems supported. Tories had a free vote.

[Ozyhibby]

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Labour and Lib Dems supported. Tories had a free vote.

Probably sums up why it hasn’t really got much future as a political issue. Even the Tories can’t be bothered opposing.


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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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First post in this thread. Does anyone have a link to a good explainer about these issues?
I look on and just cannot get my head round the discussion.

Pretty much where I am too, I've read the whole thread but, I'm no further forward.

[superfurryhibby]

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Pretty much where I am too, I've read the whole thread but, I'm no further forward.

If that’s the case then I doubt any further reading will help develop any deeper insight. There’s enough viewpoints and articles on this thread not sure what more reading could do to help.

On the whole it been a pretty decent discussion.

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If that’s the case then I doubt any further reading will help develop any deeper insight. There’s enough viewpoints and articles on this thread not sure what more reading could do to help.

On the whole it been a pretty decent discussion.

Aye, I could probably delve deeper if I was that bothered, turns out that I don't think I am.

[cabbageandribs1875]

saw this on fb is this what it's all about, if so what's the problem ?

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saw this on fb is this what it's all about, if so what's the problem ?

Probably best no to get info from Facebook, there's obviously much more changes than that. I'm not saying for better or worse, but it's easy to Google or read through thread

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Probably best no to get info from Facebook, there's obviously much more changes than that. I'm not saying for better or worse, but it's easy to Google or read through thread

possibly, like hutchyhibby this is only my 2nd look at this whole thread, i think i've read ermm three posts overall near the start, it's not really bothering me that much we're all jock tamsons bairns and all that, the only objection i do have even remotely to do with this whole trans thing is the unfair advantages in sport, especially the swimming, so is that table wrong then, or just not full ? i appreciate it probably doesn't cover everything.

apols, you answered my question on that table not being the full shebang etc but i did ask if that's all it's about, now i know it's obviously not

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possibly, like hutchyhibby this is only my 2nd look at this whole thread, i think i've read ermm three posts overall near the start, it's not really bothering me that much we're all jock tamsons bairns and all that, the only objection i do have even remotely to do with this whole trans thing is the unfair advantages in sport, especially the swimming, so is that table wrong then, or just not full ? i appreciate it probably doesn't cover everything

The majority of people polled usually only have a few objections sport, changing rooms, rape crisis and length of time before changing.

People are probably stuck with there opinions. In Ireland where it has changed they are still arguing this week about sport so I'm sure it will roll on, especially the next time a female is battered by a trans female in the ring or cage

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possibly, like hutchyhibby this is only my 2nd look at this whole thread, i think i've read ermm three posts overall near the start, it's not really bothering me that much we're all jock tamsons bairns and all that, the only objection i do have even remotely to do with this whole trans thing is the unfair advantages in sport, especially the swimming, so is that table wrong then, or just not full ? i appreciate it probably doesn't cover everything.

apols, you answered my question on that table not being the full shebang etc but i did ask if that's all it's about, now i know it's obviously not

That aspect of things (ie whether anyone is trans or not) has got next to nothing to do with why there's so much controversy around this bill. It's long fought-for women's rights (and their potential erosion) which is the issue.

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Labour and Lib Dems supported. Tories had a free vote.

For once the Tories are the ones showing common sense here.

I see Sarwar is saying Labour will be seeking amendments at the next stage.

The most telling stat is that nine SNP MSPs defied the whip. By SNP standards that's a major rebellion...in fact probably unprecedented.

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For once the Tories are the ones showing common sense here.

I see Sarwar is saying Labour will be seeking amendments at the next stage.

The most telling stat is that nine SNP MSPs defied the whip. By SNP standards that's a major rebellion...in fact probably unprecedented.

Surprised they forced the whip on this

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I'm not surprised at Ash Denham's stance. Her record on other feminist-related issues, such as sex worker rights, is very poor IMO. That said, to leave it this late is pretty appalling.

What did she say about sex worker rights?