Sportscene 22/23

[JimBHibees]

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They showed the first-half handball, but no mention in the analysis of that - just on and on about how the one we did get being a liberty. And what about the other handball at the end, when their defender fell on the ball and grabbed it? Linesman standing watching it but did nowt, free-kick to Dons awarded by the ref. Nae footage of that in either thr highlights or studio analysis!!

Yep ridiculous two blatant penalties turned down but they only concentrate on the one given. The commentator for the mccrorie one was suggesting it hit his head then arm only to correct itself when it clearly didn't. Definitely an agenda imo

[JimBHibees]

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He’s increasingly becoming aware of touting controversy in order to keep ahead of the game in Scottish football punditry. There’s no future in being Mr Honest and Sensible, especially if you have anything positive or complimentary to say about Hibs, the blacksheep target of the BBC sports team. The only real pro Hibs pundit in recent times was Pat Nevin but he didn’t last long. I don’t know if he got the bullet because of his failure to side with BBC policy or whether he saw through them and thought, ‘Sod it I’m out of here!’

He moved to radio five live no doubt much better paid and much more professional.

[JimBHibees]

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Hibs have been up and down this season - contrast second half yesterday with first half at Livingston or both halves at St. Mirren. There have been a lot of new arrivals, not all of whom have thus far worked out. So in that sense the "identity" - what Hibs will look like, or are aiming to look like - under Johnson isn't all that clear yet. I think that's what Michael Stewart was saying last night, and I don't think it's a ridiculous thing to say. He also didn't think it should have been a penalty and, to be honest, it was pretty soft.

There's quite a lot of over-sensitivity to criticism on here about certain programmes and pundits. Stewart talks sense most times I hear him.

I don't necessarily disagree with that however there was absolutely no praise whatsoever of how we played and sole focus on one softer penalty with none of the two much more blatant ones. Compare our coverage on sportscene and sportsound with Hearts in no way is it balanced or similar. The coverage of their home Zurich game was like two steaming Hearts fans in Preston and Levein watching the game

[RyeSloan]

While it might be nice to get some fawning from the media it certainly doesn’t put points on the board.

Look at their early love in with Ross at United for how positive spin means nothing.

I’m actually quite happy for us to be the team no one likes this season..prove them wrong and make them eat their words and it will be all the better.

[Tyler Durden]

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Hearts and Aberdeen are overly represented in terms of ex-players/known supporters on the BBC so do tend to get more focus and an easier ride IMO, though it can go the other way.

In Hibs' case this season it's nothing orchestrated, I just think we are probably the victims of the need for the media to have a clear and settled narrative, ie Hibs are in chaos and the chair is rash and doesn't get Scottish football. And when evidence calls that narrative into question it is easier (and less work) to seek mitigating circumstances rather than acknowledge this. I guess it's just up to Hibs to prove them wrong by winning games and getting up the table.

If there was more of a focus on analysis, rather than personalities and controversy, it wouldn't be hard to see that this Hibs team is a lot more exciting and creative than anything served up under JR and Maloney. Granted, the squad is too big and some of the recruitment and results have been patchy, but the progress on the pitch is there. But that would be far too nuanced to bother with - stick to the easy narrative.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. They have decided on the Hibs narrative already - that Ron Gordon is clueless and we're a shambles. They don't want to do any actual analysis so Stewart just continues with "Hibs don't have an identity.... not sure what they are trying to do". He's been saying that since the Falkirk league cup game.

As others mentioned, a decent analysis of Hibs would note that we're putting teams under pressure (averaging 10+ corners per game). We're getting in behind teams and we're getting a lot of men in the box. We have added goals from midfield this season and our defense is better than people credit. None of that is particularly difficult to see whilst still pointing out there are negatives to work on.

There is also a general lack of respect for Lee Johnson, given his CV. I really hope we can push on for 3rd or 4th as it's going to be enjoyable watching them have to give us credit through gritted teeth.

[B.H.F.C]

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I think you've hit the nail on the head. They have decided on the Hibs narrative already - that Ron Gordon is clueless and we're a shambles. They don't want to do any actual analysis so Stewart just continues with "Hibs don't have an identity.... not sure what they are trying to do". He's been saying that since the Falkirk league cup game.

As others mentioned, a decent analysis of Hibs would note that we're putting teams under pressure (averaging 10+ corners per game). We're getting in behind teams and we're getting a lot of men in the box. We have added goals from midfield this season and our defense is better than people credit. None of that is particularly difficult to see whilst still pointing out there are negatives to work on.

There is also a general lack of respect for Lee Johnson, given his CV. I really hope we can push on for 3rd or 4th as it's going to be enjoyable watching them have to give us credit through gritted teeth.

The lack of actual analysis of the game on Saturday was terrible. Because of the fuss that’s been made it’s been totally lost that Hibs played as well as they’ve played, probably for the best part of a year IMO. Even at 11v11 we were totally dominating the game.

Lee Johnson isn’t one of the boys. He’s not Jack or Derek or whoever and the Scottish football media hate someone that isn’t in their wee circle.

[Iain G]

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The lack of actual analysis of the game on Saturday was terrible. Because of the fuss that’s been made it’s been totally lost that Hibs played as well as they’ve played, probably for the best part of a year IMO. Even at 11v11 we were totally dominating the game.

Lee Johnson isn’t one of the boys. He’s not Jack or Derek or whoever and the Scottish football media hate someone that isn’t in their wee circle.

It's a half baked, smug, amateur programme with a whole bunch of lickspittles and empty vessels ejaculating whatever little thought comes out of their tiny narrow minds. Its jobs for the boys and girls and there is no attempt to analyze or consider the game from a neutral and holistic point of view without them returning to their own corners, views and bias.

It's rabid and full of bile and should be put down.

[grunt]

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It's a half baked, smug, amateur programme with a whole bunch of lickspittles ...

Hibs.net word of the week.

[Iain G]

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Hibs.net word of the week.

Yup 🤣😁

[easty]

I dunno how the second clear hand ball penalty we should’ve had yesterday didn’t make it onto the highlights?

https://twitter.com/hibsnews1875/sta...sDMW4HNvTT0BjQ

At the time it looked blatant, seeing it again I’m absolutely convinced that’s a penalty. Absolutely nae foul from Bojang, refs **** the bed and gave them a freekick for nowt.

[hibsbollah]

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I dunno how the second clear hand ball penalty we should’ve had yesterday didn’t make it onto the highlights?

https://twitter.com/hibsnews1875/sta...sDMW4HNvTT0BjQ

At the time it looked blatant, seeing it again I’m absolutely convinced that’s a penalty. Absolutely nae foul from Bojang, refs **** the bed and gave them a freekick for nowt.

If that’s not a penalty for deliberate handball, nothing is.
Can you imagine if The Rangers were denied that decision? There would be a diplomatic incident, statement bingo, 4 days of the Daily Record losing their minds.

[Jones28]

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I dunno how the second clear hand ball penalty we should’ve had yesterday didn’t make it onto the highlights?

https://twitter.com/hibsnews1875/sta...sDMW4HNvTT0BjQ

At the time it looked blatant, seeing it again I’m absolutely convinced that’s a penalty. Absolutely nae foul from Bojang, refs **** the bed and gave them a freekick for nowt.

What is they say? These incidents level out over the season? So Jimmy Badwin, on according to you we shouldn't have had the penalty we got, but instead we should have had two for handballs.

[Heisenberg]

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I dunno how the second clear hand ball penalty we should’ve had yesterday didn’t make it onto the highlights?

https://twitter.com/hibsnews1875/sta...sDMW4HNvTT0BjQ

At the time it looked blatant, seeing it again I’m absolutely convinced that’s a penalty. Absolutely nae foul from Bojang, refs **** the bed and gave them a freekick for nowt.

He’s done exactly what Jim Goodwin was accusing Porteous of 😂 Should’ve had three penalties.

[hibsbollah]

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While it might be nice to get some fawning from the media it certainly doesn’t put points on the board.

Look at their early love in with Ross at United for how positive spin means nothing.

I’m actually quite happy for us to be the team no one likes this season..prove them wrong and make them eat their words and it will be all the better.

That is actually a good point in terms of the media, although what’s happening with Porto is negatively affecting us in terms of how he’s portrayed by refs, which is a problem.

[linlithgowhibbie]

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I dunno how the second clear hand ball penalty we should’ve had yesterday didn’t make it onto the highlights?

https://twitter.com/hibsnews1875/sta...sDMW4HNvTT0BjQ

At the time it looked blatant, seeing it again I’m absolutely convinced that’s a penalty. Absolutely nae foul from Bojang, refs **** the bed and gave them a freekick for nowt.

I was almost right behind that linesman (can't call him an assistant ref) I gave him pelters about not using his mike to advise the ref.
The same linesman never once indicated any shy/corner until the referee gave it. He was a total dud.

[Iain G]

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That is actually a good point in terms of the media, although what’s happening with Porto is negatively affecting us in terms of how he’s portrayed by refs, which is a problem.

At least it takes their eye off of diving Martin Boyle for a while 😁

[LeithMike]

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Michael Stewart does.

I don't think Mike Stewart does favour Hearts over Hibs. I think he's fairly neutral but once he has something I his head he is very slow to change his view. I found him overly positive Hibs when JR was there and he has been a but anti-Hibs since. He was anti-Hearts for a long time when Levein was in charge.

I definitely think there is a bias overall on the BBC towards Hearts. Its up for Hibs to change that by showing we can win games away from home and when opposition have 11 men.

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[James70]

Have they ever commented on the huge number of penalties awarded to Hearts?

[Iain G]

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I don't think Mike Stewart does favour Hearts over Hibs. I think he's fairly neutral but once he has something I his head he is very slow to change his view. I found him overly positive Hibs when JR was there and he has been a but anti-Hibs since. He was anti-Hearts for a long time when Levein was in charge.

I definitely think there is a bias overall on the BBC towards Hearts. Its up for Hibs to change that by showing we can win games away from home and when opposition have 11 men.

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Which shows it's personal for all these mouthpieces! He is mates with Jack and hates Levein, no ability to look at a game from a distance with some perspective without it going through his own prejudices and preference

[easty]

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I don't think Mike Stewart does favour Hearts over Hibs. I think he's fairly neutral but once he has something I his head he is very slow to change his view. I found him overly positive Hibs when JR was there and he has been a but anti-Hibs since. He was anti-Hearts for a long time when Levein was in charge.

I definitely think there is a bias overall on the BBC towards Hearts. Its up for Hibs to change that by showing we can win games away from home and when opposition have 11 men.

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Stewart is literally a hearts fan, isn’t he?

[gbhibby]

Sure Stewart was captioned with former Hearts captain.

[J-C]

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Sure Stewart was captioned with former Hearts captain.

It was, his name came up with former Hearts captain as the caption, I was surprised when I seen that.

[scm70nyd1973]

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It's a half baked, smug, amateur programme with a whole bunch of lickspittles and empty vessels ejaculating whatever little thought comes out of their tiny narrow minds. Its jobs for the boys and girls and there is no attempt to analyze or consider the game from a neutral and holistic point of view without them returning to their own corners, views and bias.

It's rabid and full of bile and should be put down.

And also a bunch of cockwombles 😁

[loanheadhibby]

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Yep ridiculous two blatant penalties turned down but they only concentrate on the one given. The commentator for the mccrorie one was suggesting it hit his head then arm only to correct itself when it clearly didn't. Definitely an agenda imo

I remember the hand ball which I agree was a blatant pen.
What was the other as I can't remember us claiming for another that was turned down.

[Iain G]

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And also a bunch of cockwombles 😁

Underground, overground, cockwombling free,
The cockwombles of BBC Scotland are we,
Making no sense of the things that we see,
Bigging up Yams while we have a go at Hibees...

That kinda thing?

[Cat Stanton]

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It's a half baked, smug, amateur programme with a whole bunch of lickspittles and empty vessels ejaculating whatever little thought comes out of their tiny narrow minds. Its jobs for the boys and girls and there is no attempt to analyze or consider the game from a neutral and holistic point of view without them returning to their own corners, views and bias.

It's rabid and full of bile and should be put down.

What do you really think though?

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

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I dunno how the second clear hand ball penalty we should’ve had yesterday didn’t make it onto the highlights?

https://twitter.com/hibsnews1875/sta...sDMW4HNvTT0BjQ

At the time it looked blatant, seeing it again I’m absolutely convinced that’s a penalty. Absolutely nae foul from Bojang, refs **** the bed and gave them a freekick for nowt.

Absolutely ridiculous. Could see from the far end of the East that it was a blatant pen. We should have had at least 2 but all the focus is on whether we should have had one. Stinking

[Manxhibs]

Anyone gone as far as writing a complaint to the BBC? I started typing one up but decided it’s a pointless venture.

[angus hibby]

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The lack of actual analysis of the game on Saturday was terrible. Because of the fuss that’s been made it’s been totally lost that Hibs played as well as they’ve played, probably for the best part of a year IMO. Even at 11v11 we were totally dominating the game.

Lee Johnson isn’t one of the boys. He’s not Jack or Derek or whoever and the Scottish football media hate someone that isn’t in their wee circle.

The last paragraph is spot on. I remember when we appointed Heckingbottom the Sportsound "pundits" were flabbergasted that we had looked down south for a manager when they were so many good Scottish managers....

[Iain G]

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The last paragraph is spot on. I remember when we appointed Heckingbottom the Sportsound "pundits" were flabbergasted that we had looked down south for a manager when they were so many good Scottish managers....

And Hecky is now doing a very good job! Maybe just not the right fit for us.